A day and a half left in his Administration and we still don't know why he went into Iraq

[ThomWV]

4228 of our soldiers are dead, estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths run as high as a million, billions of dollars have disappeared and yet with just a day and a half left in his Presidency George Bush has never given a plausible reason for going into Iraq. This is the biggest secrete of this most secrete of Presidencies.

[gblady]

1. we don't ?

[ThomWV]

2. If you can explain it I'm all ears

[Stephanie]

9. We went into Iraq because the neo-cons had a theory

That they could take Iraq and then all the "dominos" in the Middle East would topple one by one. Iraq was just for starters, the plans included Iran, Syria, etc. after that. They wanted to establish American "hegemony" in the Middle East, a new style of imperialism similar to what the Brits practiced in the last century. This way we'd control the oil supply and have the rest of the world under our thumb. Cheney went for it to gain possession of the oil for his corporate sponsors. Junior went for it because he wanted to show up the old man. End of story.

[leftstreet]

3. um...to bring them our 'freedoms' - All our freedomz R belong to them

or...er...uh.....

:crazy:

[tabasco]

4. Sit on top the oil and jack up the prices.

Now you know.

[zorahopkins]

5. OIL and Megalomania

Uue most certainly DO knouu uuhy Bush/Cheney uuent to uuar in Iraq!!!

OIL.

And Bush's megalomania that uuas driven by a desire to please his evil, corrupt Daddy.

Very easy.

Note: In protest of the continuing occpation of OUR Uuhite House by the illegal and totally corrupt Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies, I REFUSE (until noon, January 20, 2009) to use the letter betuueen "V" and "X". Instead, I use a "double u", as in "Uuhite House".

[baldguy]

10. Saddam was threatening to bring Iraq's oil production back up to pre-war levels.

Thereby driving down the profits of the major multinational oil corporations & Saudi Arabia.

The invasion, occupation & removal of Saddam stopped that from happening, $100/brl oil the norm instead of the $30/brl it would have been otherwise.

[ThomWV]

6. The only explanation I can give, and this may sound ludicrous, but it makes sense ...

I believe that even stupid people accomplish the results they wished to achieve if they are given virtually unlimited resources with which to do it. For that reason I have to assume that the only thing I can see that was accomplished in Iraq was the thing that was our goal for Iraq. That thing is we built the world's most expensive embassy. That must have been our goal. I can find no mention of other success in the country that can stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

[shraby]

7. He went because he wanted to and because he could.

No other reason. The ones around him had their eyes on oil and others had their ideology. He had the desire and could make it happen for the others.

[Davis_X_Machina]

8. Because all the great presidents...

...were wartime presidents. Great re-elected presidents.

A trillion dollar campaign ad. That's all it was.

They knew in 1999 that they were going to 'do Iraq'.

Iraq was going to do a Mulroney on the Democratic party. It was going to usher in the one-party state, and a permanently neutered 'opposition'. It was going to do for the GOP what Sadowa and Sedan did for Bismark.

You want to gain the power of appointing the judges, writing the tax code, shaping securities law, filleting the regulations, determining the appropriations priorites, deep, deep into mid-century.

Ergo, you need a war.

Disorganized crime mugs someone at an ATM.

Semi-organized crime knocks over a bank.

Really Organized Crime simply has larceny written out of the statute books.

They came that close to pulling it off. And it wasn't our virtue, our diligence, God, Federalist 10, or our media that kept it from happening.

It was dumb-ass luck.

And it could still be too late.

[northernlights]

11. oil & world economic domination by military aggression

PNAC had written openly about it for years, and first presented their plan to poppy. When poppy turned them down, they toned down the rhetoric to try to make it more palatable (which was still pretty shocking) and presented it to Clinton. When Clinton turned it down, they toned down the rhetoric again and presented it to W. I read their website in '03. The doubly toned-down rhetoric was still shocking and disgusting.

Iraq was 1st in line for aggression. Afghanistan was 2nd, and I forget the order of the rest of the middle east. 9/11 gave them the excuse, they had only to revise the order of targets #1 and 2.

And now we know, of course, that * and co *knew* 9/11 was coming and deliberately looked the other way.

Wolfie authored their shit. Feith's a member. Jeb is. Rummie. Cheney. A number of megacorp CEOs. I was stunned to see corporate CEOs on the active membership list. It was totally bizarre. Bunch of megalomaniacal freaks.

[Stephanie]

12. Intro to PNAC >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=301411