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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:30 AM
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Do Women Get More Bangs Because Of The Bucks???
Wealthy men give women more orgasms

The Sunday Times
January 18, 2009
Jonathan Leake, Science and Environment Editor




Scientists have found that the pleasure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their partner’s bank balance. They found that the wealthier a man is, the more frequently his partner has orgasms. “Women’s orgasm frequency increases with the income of their partner,” said Dr Thomas Pollet, the Newcastle University psychologist behind the research. He believes the phenomenon is an “evolutionary adaptation” that is hard-wired into women, driving them to select men on the basis of their perceived quality.

The study is certain to prove controversial, suggesting that women are inherently programmed to be gold-diggers. However, it fits into a wider body of research known as evolutionary psychology which suggests that both men and women are genetically predisposed to ruthlessly exploit each other to achieve the best chances of survival for their genes. The female orgasm is the focus of much research because it appears to have no reproductive purpose. Women can become pregnant whatever their pleasure levels. Pollet, and Professor Daniel Nettle, his co-author, believed, however, that the female orgasm is an evolutionary adaptation that drives women to choose and retain high-quality partners.

He and Nettle tested that idea using data gathered in one of the world’s biggest lifestyle studies. The Chinese Health and Family Life Survey targeted 5,000 people across China for in-depth interviews about their personal lives, including questions about their sex lives, income and other factors. Among these were 1,534 women with male partners whose data was the basis for the study. They found that 121 of these women always had orgasms during sex, while 408 more had them “often”. Another 762 “sometimes” orgasmed while 243 had them rarely or never. Such figures are similar to those for western countries.

There were of course, several factors involved in such differences but, said Pollet, money was one of the main ones. He said: “Increasing partner income had a highly positive effect on women’s self-reported frequency of orgasm. More desirable mates cause women to experience more orgasms.” This is not an effect limited to Chinese women. Previous research in Germany and America has looked at attributes such as body symmetry and attractiveness, finding that these are also linked with orgasm frequency. Money, however, seems even more important. David Buss, professor of psychology at the University of Texas, Austin, who raised this question in his book The Evolution of Desire believes female orgasms have several possible purposes.

“They could promote emotional bonding with a high-quality male or they could serve as a signal that women are highly sexually satisfied, and hence unlikely to seek sex with other men,” he said. “What those orgasms are saying is ‘I'm extremely loyal, so you should invest in me and my children’."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article5537017.ece">LINK

- So what these scientists are saying is all that penis-enlargement spam means nothing???

Damn. There must be a slew of unsatisfied women on Wall Street now.....

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Give her orgasms??? I don't know, I didn't hear anything.


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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:32 AM
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1. There are times when I'm glad I'm gay.
This is one of them.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:34 AM
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2. ROFL!!!
:rofl: - Well said.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:41 AM
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12. .
:P

Glad to please.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:53 AM
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20. This is one of the times I wish I were
but I'm old enough that sex is just a theoretical enterprise so I guess it all works out.

Maybe women who are married to those lumps of decaying flesh with large portfolios are inspired to become better actresses and liars.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:35 AM
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We ALL want an 80 year old millionaire w heart trouble. And those that say they don't are lying. nt
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 12:36 AM by MookieWilson
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:39 AM
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7. After what's happened lately on Wall Street....
...I think you meant BILLIONAIRE.

- Stupping millionaires with bad hearts is so 2008......
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:54 AM
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22. I know I do.
:evilgrin:
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:55 AM
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38. What about those that have already had one.
:evilgrin:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:35 AM
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3. How about better food and less stress when there is more money,
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:36 AM
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4. Yep, I can see that. n/t
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:18 AM
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40. Yep, less stress n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:44 AM
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48. Evolution has changed us all
Once upon a time, the BIG STRONG HUNTER-FIGHTER meant plenty of food, so the offspring might have a better chance of growing up and living long enough to pass the genes along..

"Modern" man no longer has to fight & hunt, but they still "offer" support via their wallets..It's crass, but babies born to rich folks DO have more opportunities to thrive..

It just is what it is..

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:16 PM
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52. Probably not, because...
past a certain point, that would lead to plateau. Nutritionally, you're probably not any better off with an income of $200,000 vs $400,000 - either way, you can afford to eat well consistently.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:37 AM
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5. Sounds like a bunch of rich male scientists drew these conclusions. (nt)
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:40 AM
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10. There are very very few rich scientists
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:42 AM
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13. It was a joke, Lucille.
I guess I forgot the: :rofl:

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:03 AM
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24. Not to us scientists
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:42 AM
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14. Yeah, they lost me with....
...that line: "The female orgasm is the focus of much research because it appears to have no reproductive purpose."

Of course it has a purpose you idiot! Why do you think she'd stick around?!?!?!

- She sure as hell doesn't want to hear how you took that Mastodon and a Saber Tooth Tiger down with one spear. Again.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:43 AM
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15. That did seem particularly stupid.
You're right about that.

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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:33 AM
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29. Yes, it does have a reproductive purpose. Scientists (real ones)
have known for a long time that the contractions caused during orgasm help to guide sperm up into a woman's body, aiding fertilization.

This article, and this study, cannot be taken seriously. Really.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:54 AM
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44. Noticed that, did you?
He ONLY sees it from a male benefit POV.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:13 PM
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51. Unfortunately, that's fairly common n/t
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:34 AM
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45. Not to mention, she'd be more prone to have sex...
...I've read before that the cervix actually dips a bit during orgasm, increasing the likelihood of fertilization.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:30 PM
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56. That line got me, too.
Why the hell would we want to be prodded with and poked if it didn't feel good? And if it didn't feel good, we wouldn't do it, thereby, thwarting reproduction.

Also, along the purely scientific reasons for it is the fact that the muscle spasms that are a result of the orgasm aid the sperm upward through the vaginal canal and onto the uterus where the egg is.

What kind of scientists are these? :crazy:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:16 AM
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39. Whose girlfriends always lie to them about their orgasms.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:38 AM
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6. I can say unequivocally that this is totally untrue.
Some of the best sex I ever had was with my poorest partners, and the richest guy I dated NEVER um, accomplished the task...

This is one seriously flawed study about women (as so many of them are).
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:44 AM
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16. AGREED.
But somebody shelled out the Pounds for them to do it.

- And with unemployment what it is now, I guess they figured: why not?

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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:50 AM
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18. The study might be erroneous but personal experience has NEVER been a substitue for...
...Proper scientific research.

I am sick of the fact that people here often seem to use personal experiences as if it actually means anything beyond the obvious. Specially when they try to use it refute things like statistics and such. WTF?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:31 AM
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28. Statistics about stuff like this are BS because of one thing:
How do you know who is actually telling the truth...?

I am here to tell you, it is complete bullshit. A "scientific study" that relies on people relating personal experience about a very intimate subject is destined to be flawed and cannot be taken seriously.
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:35 AM
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30. Way to twist what I said to suit your point.
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:35 AM by Eryemil
I obviously meant statistics in general, not in regard to this specific topic.
Your personal accounts are still shoddy evidence however.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:39 AM
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31. Well then so are the personal accounts of the women in the study.
If indeed they are even true.

By the way, you take quite the tone for no apparent reason. Enjoy your stay in Bitter Land.
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:43 AM
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33. I did not say otherwise.
And yes, I am quite bitter about many things.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:26 PM
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54. The point of gathering a lot of data...
is to allow one to generalize. Individual discrepancies tend to cancel each other out.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:24 PM
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53. Doesn't matter
In any statistical survey, some people are going to lie. However, if there's no particular gain to be had, there's no reason to assume more people lie in one direction rather than the other. Furthermore, there's no special reason to believe the frequency of lying or exaggeration would increase in mine with other factors.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:39 AM
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8. I just don't believe this
It may be that a wealthy person has less stress in day to day life and is more relaxed and so orgasms come easier but in my experience wealth has had little relevance in that department.

A man can be wealthy as can be but if he lacks experience in bed there will be less orgasms.
A man who is a jerk and shows little compassion but is wealthy would not create an atmosphere that would be conducive to a good experience.

Too many variables. I don't buy it.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:47 AM
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17. Maybe they're just trying to....
...help the economy. You know, give the rich guys a little confidence after what they've been through???

- Sorry, that's all I got.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:43 AM
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34. That's because you are a woman, and you know better. But I'm
sure all the men will jump on this like it's the freakin' gospel, when there's not an ounce of truth to it.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:40 AM
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9. totally not surprised.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:51 AM
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19. Well, I'm not totally surprised....
...that women might say that they're having more orgasms with the rich guys. And I think its true that most of the rich guys are BIG PRICKS. So in the rich guy's minds, it's to be expected.

- You know, just like pâté and champagne go together....
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:41 AM
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11. It's a good thing I'm not rich.
My wife's head might explode.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 12:53 AM
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21. I started to respond to this obvious baldface lie....
...and then I said to myself: Naw, let 'em keep the fantasies....

- JUST KIDDING!!!!!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:09 AM
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26. Ok you got me.
I really am rich.


heh.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:02 AM
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23. Demographic issues?
It's obvious to me that women with rich guys are more likely to be educated, which I suspect corresponds to more positive attitudes towards their bodies and sexuality. Additionally, wealthier women have better access to healthcare and are more likely to exercise, eat right, be fit, and be non-smokers. All these things contribute to better sex, I think. Finally, people with money have more leisure time, better child-care options, and less stress.

Did the scientists control for all these factors before they made their claims about women being gold diggers?
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:48 AM
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35. Why do you think some rich ladies mess around with the
"pool boy" or other young boy toy after years of marriage? It's not because he's rich like the hubby...

And of course this study took none of the factors you listed into consideration. It's junk science.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:37 PM
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57. And you know this how?
"And of course this study took none of the factors you listed into consideration. It's junk science."

Somehow I suspect you haven't actually gone to read the paper in question, but are basing your conclusion on the newspaper report. Actually, the authors of the paper have a history of interesting work analyzing the social biology of reproduction, ranging from how population gender ratios affect male marriageability to the effect of women's height on reproductive success.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:08 AM
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25. Did this "research" come from some evolutionary psychologists, perhaps?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-09 01:09 AM by Triana
Sounds like junk science to me.

Oh. And bytheway, I've dated some pretty well-to-do men and all they gave me was a damned headache. To the curb with 'em.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:42 AM
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32. Another article to paint women as completely superficial.
Big surprise. Next they'll come out with a "study" that women are 5X more likely to have butt sex with redheads, or something equally ridiculous.

It is junk science, it's misleading, and it's untrue.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:45 PM
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50. HA! Someone at Psychology Today posted the same thing - that it's Evo-Psych junk science...
...I wasn't the only one who called it:

...

"Today this article caught jumped off the computer screen at me. "Wealthy Men Give Women More Orgasms." Yeah, right.

Researchers found a correlation between Chinese women's reported orgasmic frequency and the male's reported income: “Increasing partner income had a highly positive effect on women’s self-reported frequency of orgasm. More desirable mates cause women to experience more orgasms,” the scientists reported.

Aside from the very real possibility that men who tend to exaggerate their income may be attracted to women who exaggerate their sexual fulfillment ("You're the best!"), what I love about this line of reasoning is the innocence that underlies these conclusions.

Listen to famed evolutionary psychologist David Buss explaining the import of the study: "Female orgasms … could promote emotional bonding with a high-quality male or they could serve as a signal that women are highly sexually satisfied, and hence unlikely to seek sex with other men,” he said. “What those orgasms are saying is ‘I'm extremely loyal, so you should invest in me and my children’."

Invest in me, baby!

Is that what they're saying? Even if the methodology stands up to scrutiny (I haven't seen the paper, if it's been published yet), isn't there a much simpler understanding of what those orgasms signify?

Women in China and elsewhere have been cut off from the means of taking care of themselves and their children for millennia. There are few places on earth where it's not at least a severe hardship to be a single mother. Being able to relax is itself a major source of female orgasmic potential, as this study suggests. Let's see if women in Sweden, where women don't need a partner to ensure the economic security of their children, are motivated by a sexual partner's income. Let's see whether women with no economic worries have as many orgasms with rich carpet salesmen as they do with brilliant, admired (but low-income) artists. Anyone wanna wager on that?"


MORE at link:

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/lust-in-paradise/200901/on-female-orgasms-and-money-more-bad-evolutionary-psychology
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:11 AM
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27. My god, this is disgusting!
:banghead: :puke: - Can't decide which to do first!
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:49 AM
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36. okay...so all (or any, for your doubters) the orgasms i've been 'involved' in...
with female partners over the last 30+ years had nothing to do with ME...but my bank account??

damn, either a bunch of females totally faked me out...often...ahem...or somebody was stealing all my money...

and, having made and lost fair sums of money over the years, i would think i would have noticed a difference...

however, i think if i was a certain type of female, i would definitely be telling some rich dude he gave me orgasms...all the time...except when i was shopping...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:51 AM
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37. It's about power, then?
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:46 AM
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41. since rich men tend to marry rich women,
it seems these clods posing as scientists didn't account at all for the wealth of the female. If they did, their likely conclusion would be that poor folks have less sex and fewer orgasms because of constant stress, while lazy rich people have better sex because they have nothing else to do all day.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:51 AM
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42. Interesting. Because earlier studies claim the most satisfied women
Are the wives of clergymen...and they are hardly wealthy.

Here's a thought: Money is a big problem in lower and middle-income households. Any home in which bills are not being paid is going to be a low orgasm household because the stress on the woman is negating any pleasure in sex. In fact, the fear of an accidental pregnancy may destroy it altogether.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:53 AM
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43. Thomas Pollet. Look at him!
<http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/t.v.pollet/>

Look at his interests and how much preconception is built into them. He already knows what he expects to find.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:42 PM
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58. Yes, and?
Do list some of these preconceptions you complain about. I can't help noticing that he doesn't appear to be especially rich. Are you suggesting that nerdy looking guy studying evolutionary psychology = sexual frustration or something?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:37 AM
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46. Um, that is simply not true.
The most powerful, frequent orgasms I've ever had have been from starving artists/musicians.

Particularly drummers and abstract impressionists.


:rofl:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:09 AM
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47. Oh bullshit
A couple thousand women in China? Out of a population of what was that? Oh, didn't say. What exactly is the economic disparity in China, the social conditioning of women's response to sex in different socio-economic classes, in what is, last I checked a fucking communist country with a fucked up human rights record? One with a very long, very interesting history in regards to gender. And sex.

I'd appreciate the stats from Germany and the US-- the article danced it's way around those in a lame attempt support another tired evo/psych premise. Oh, and that line; "What these orgasms are saying?" (I think I better leave that alone)

Money=orgasms? Ask a Washington DC hooker. Not usually what she's looking for.

Money is money.

Orgasms involved a bit of skill from your partner at the very least. Cash itself doesn't make most women I know have orgasms. More reasonable studies show that a partner who's taken the time to figure out what works does. That's where disposable income may play a part. More time to play, so to speak. Education may play a part. Some men plain like being good in bed, (why isn't that in a damn study? A female's inclination to stay with you if you can take her there multiple times and every time, and are NOT an asshole outside of the bedroom) and make awesome efforts, and some women have learned to communicate what pleases them.

So, where'd we make the break from, Bonobo or Chimpanzee?



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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 08:58 AM
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49. a small group advocating evolution so we are totally out of control and NO WAY responsible for our
behavior.

they have been pushing this for a while with the male and been waiting for them to jump on the female.neither gender responsible for their behavior cause after all the caveman did it. it is false in so many ways....
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:29 PM
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55. No, but when women vote they win.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 04:51 PM
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59. More orgasms, but not necessarily with the partner, if'n ya catch my drift.
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