Anti-choice nurse removes women's IUDs "accidently" and then refuses to insert it..

[cynatnite]

ALBUQUERQUE (CN) - A clinic nurse first removed her intrauterine birth-control device without permission, says the patient in a federal action, then told her that "having the IUD come out was a good thing," because "I personally do not like IUDs. I feel they are a type of abortion. I don't know how you feel about abortion, but I am against them."

The patient sued Presbyterian Health Services Rio Rancho Family Health Center and nurse practitioner Sylvia Olona in Federal Court.

The plaintiff says she went to Rio Rancho to have the strings on her IUD shortened.

The complaint states: "As soon as Defendant Olona began speaking to (the plaintiff), she questioned her about her choice of contraception.

"As Defendant Olona began the procedure, (the plaintiff) felt Olona pull on the strings of the IUD. (The plaintiff) felt a distinct pulling on the strings followed by a sharp pain in her uterus similar to a very strong menstrual cramp.

"As that happened, Defendant Olona stated, 'Uh oh, I accidentally pulled out your IUD. I gently tugged and out it came.' She then explained, 'I cut the string than went back and gently pulled and out it came. It must have not been in properly.'

"Olona then stated, 'having the IUD come out was a good thing.' She asked (the plaintiff) if she wanted to hear her 'take' on the situation. Without receiving a response, Defendant Olona stated, 'I personally do not like IUDs. I feel they are a type of abortion. I don't know how you feel about abortion, but I am against them. What the IUD does is take the fertilized egg and pushes it out of the uterus.'

"Defendant Olona stated, 'Everyone in the office always laughs and tells me I pull these out on purpose because I am against them, but it's not true, they accidentally come out when I tug.'

"At this point, Defendant Olona advised that (the plaintiff) needed to take a pregnancy test. (The plaintiff) did, and the test was negative.

"Defendant Olona told (the plaintiff) that is was better that she did not have the IUD because she could now use a "non-abortion" form of contraception. Defendant Olona suggested the deprovera (depo) shot or the pill, and made clear that she would not insert a new IUD."

The plaintiff demands damages for battery, constitutional violations and negligence. She is represented by Ryan Villa with the Law Office of Robert Cooper.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/01/14/Woman_Says_Anti-Abortion_Nurse_Removed_IUD_Without_Permission_Then_Lectured_Her.htm

[Gold Metal Flake]

1. There is something wrong with a person like that.

I do not believe they have any place in any job where they can affect the lives or health of others.

[beac]

2. That nurse should lose her license immediately & I hope the victim sues her for every dime she has.

Sounds like this is her regular MO. Maybe other women will come forward now and join in the suit.

[GreenPartyVoter]

67. Amen!

[BlueIris]

77. Criminal charges are most appropriate here, really.

This story makes me sick.

[Horse with no Name]

3. Pull her fucking license NOW

She.has.no.right.:mad:

[Bolo Boffin]

17. That's the correct answer.

"I accidently pulled on your nursing license and out it came!"

[kiva]

4. "they accidentally come out when I tug".:!!!!

She's done this before and she still has a job?!?

[Solly Mack]

5. So, she pulls them out often...so often it has become a joke

and she still works there? she still has a license?

"Defendant Olona" wouldn't like my response to her...at all.

[Gwendolyn]

7. Calling Dr. Warren, Dr. Warren to the anti-female unit please, we have an emergency iud tugout.

"Dr. Warren is in Africa doing good works"

"Shit...Nurse Ratchet to the emergency "we have a schizoid-birth-control-freak"

[Solly Mack]

8. Heh

[ColbertWatcher]

6. These people should NOT have power over other people's medical care. k+r, n/t

[Occulus]

13. And yet, this is precisely why the fundy types are getting these jobs

Pharmacist, nurse, school board member, what-have-you... they want society to be biblical, and they'll even go into 'stealth mode' to get the job done.

This woman wasn't there to nurse. She was there to pursue an agenda, just like the pharmacists we've been hearing about who don't prescribe contraceptive pills.

Slippery slope? No.

Butter-slick cliff.

[Blue_Tires]

23. not only that, but

several states have even passed laws PROTECTING pieces of shit like this...

[foxfeet]

9. This is nursing malpractice. Yank her license NOW.

[Taverner]

10. WTF???

All I can say, as a male who understands biology...is WTF???

That is just WRONG

Ethically, and - if you dare - morally...

[fizzgig]

11. i would be livid if that were me

and i would love to hear the nurse's excuse about why she was pulling on the string in the first place. i've had my iud years and don't remember any nurse or doctor ever doing that.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Really? You wouldn't be, like, "Hey, I know I'm operating under the delusion that this is my body

and whatnot, but it's clear to me that you are acting on the basis of a deeply held religious belief that I need to respect at all costs, so by all means, fuck up your job and my medical care--- because ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO YOUR JOB (OR NOT DO YOUR JOB) AS YOUR 'CONSCIENCE' DICTATES"







...Yeah, funny, I wouldn't say that, either.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

12. What a sadistic asshole.

Commits malpractice, causes women severe pain by pulling on the strings, and then laughs about it.

What a sadistic asshole. Has no bidness practicing nursing.

She needs to be brought up before the state nursing board.

[JCMach1]

14. Was there a medical reason she couldn't replace it right away?

My mom nearly died with toxic shock from the Dalcon shield in 1980...

Or was she just being an asshat?

[Warren DeMontague]

24. You mean, a "medical" reason aside from "Jesus told her not to"?

Um, probably not.

[Horse with no Name]

27. She was being an asshat

The newer IUD's are much safer than the Dalcon shields.

[Xithras]

48. Are nurses qualified to implant IUD's?

As a guy I really don't know. I assumed an actual doctor would be needed to do that sort of thing.

[Book Lover]

50. Certainly!

You may be a guy, but you have a brain and imagination. Why would the insertion procedure need to be performed by someone with a doctor-level training? Unwrap, insert into uterine os, slip the sheath off, and presto! Hormone-free birth control (for those of us with the copper IUD anyway).

[Xithras]

54. Lol, I've never actually seen an IUD.

My wife had one for many years, but I wasn't there when it was put in or removed. I know they're a device that sits in the uterus and keeps babies away...that's about it.

[Miss Chybil]

74. Are you a nurse?

IUD insertion is beyond the scope of practice of an R.N. They must be inserted by a physician or a nurse practitioner.

[Book Lover]

82. Holy cow, thank you for this correction

Flip side: I found out that an RN did my insertion, not an NP. I'm not sure what to say past that, other than I have had no problems with my device since day one, for what that's worth.

Are you an NP?

[kestrel91316]

15. Suing that woman to Kingdom Come isn't enough. She needs to be

in jail for battery.

[Shardik]

16. Holy shit.

You have to look at her "support system" that makes her feel empowered to do something like this and feel that it's okay.

[Iggo]

18. Some people I disagree with...

...and others are just goddam crazy.

[struggle4progress]

19. Maybe Olana's dentist's assistant could suddenly develop moral qualms about fillings and caps

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Wow. Where is the DU "Right of Conscience" brigade? Be here any minute, I bet.

Come on. Tell us how objecting to this amounts to 'discriminating against this nurse and her Christian beliefs'. :puke:

[Gwendolyn]

25. Mocking Christian beliefs is fine. All other forms of religious mockings are out of the question.

That's the way it goes.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Oh, give me a fucking break.

Yes, the persecution must be mind-boggling.

ps. Got anything to say about the topic of the thread?

[Gwendolyn]

36. post # 7

But I"m right though. Ain't only fundie christians bein' against the right 'a choice. ;-) If you think that you are a total fool.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Of course, that's not what I said.

I was paraphrasing the arguments of the folks who claim to support "right of conscience" in such matters. If you use the search function, you will find that most such arguments pertain to Pharmacists acting on Fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

Nowhere did I say that all Christians are anti-choice, and nowhere did I say that Fundy Christians are the ONLY anti-choice forces in this or any other country.

I'm sorry you feel so picked on.

[Iggo]

28. Yanking out someone's DUI...

...is a defensible Christian belief?

Oh, do tell.

[Warren DeMontague]

29. IUD, not DUI!

;-)

DUI threads were 3 weeks ago.

But yes, I'd like to hear previous poster's answer too. nt

[Iggo]

32. Oh, that's hilarious.

:rofl:

[Gwendolyn]

37. Only if you're lying on a public bathroom floor in your own personal bodily fluids.

Mostly when it comes to choice, all religions suck. I don't know why people pick on christians, when ortho jews and muslims are even worse.

[Iggo]

40. I can't believe it.

I lost the internet!

Me -------> :spank: <------- Internet

[LeftyMom]

38. Suuuuure...

[Nevernose]

73. You think maybe Christians get mocked so often here is

Because 90% of the country most of us are living in is Christian? I could go around mocking Zoroastrians, but what's the point? They don't seem to be having large-scale, detrimental effects on people's lives. I haven't read a lot of stories about Shitno IUD yankers, either.

I'll make you a deal, though: you find someone in the newspaper that's acting like a self-righteous dipshit using their own religious beliefs to tell other people how to live, and I will personally mock them for you.

[knitter4democracy]

42. I doubt they'll come along, as her actions are reprehensible.

There's "right of conscience", and then there's malpractice. She committed malpractice by directly going against her patient's wishes without informing her of her actions or the consequences of her actions until afterwards. There was no informed consent, and there was no chance for the patient to find a new nurse. This wasn't right of conscience, this was malpractice.

As someone who's been assaulted by a radiology tech during a vaginal ultrasound, I can just imagine how this patient felt. I hope she wins this lawsuit big-time.

[madrchsod]

47. since you are here today.....

thought you might like this


http://deputy-dog.com/2008/11/urban-knitting-worlds-most-inoffensive.html

[knitter4democracy]

52. Thanks! I hadn't seen all of those.

I have some knittivist friends who get into that sort of thing. I think it's awesome! :D

[Warren DeMontague]

59. I've seen people contort themselves like crazy to justify pharmacists lecturing women about Jesus,

holding prescriptions hostage and denying emergency contraception to rape victims.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that is anyone's "right of conscience", either.

If you can't do your fucking STATE-LICENSED JOB, be it nurse practitioner or pharmacist, find another line of work.

[Rage for Order]

72. "If you can't do your fucking...JOB...find another line of work."

Do you hold this same view towards soldiers who attempt to desert by fleeing to Mexico, Canada, and other points abroad? I think I already know the answer, but I'll wait for your response to confirm

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Ah, I knew it wouldn't be long. Thank you for proving my original point.

So. Let me get this straight. You support the "right" of this nurse practitioner to yank IUDs and refuse to re-insert them?

Yes, or No.

You support the "right" of Pharmacists to refuse to fill birth control prescriptions- or even (as has happened repeatedly) to hold said prescriptions hostage so NO ONE can fill them, and to lecture women on Jesus?

Yes, or No.

But wait.. not only do you support the 'right' of these people (as part of their 'conscience') to do these things, you think they should REMAIN IN THEIR STATE LICENSED POSITIONS as Pharmacists, Nurses, etc. after doing so?

Yes, or No.

Now, let's deconstruct your mind-bogglingly goofy analogy, shall we? This is what you said:

Do you hold this same view towards soldiers who attempt to desert by fleeing to Mexico, Canada, and other points abroad? I think I already know the answer, but I'll wait for your response to confirm

Well, gee, whiz, Rage, that's a pretty brilliant, incisive debating point you've made there- wow, I never thought of it that way, that by saying Jesus drunk pharmacists should do their fucking jobs instead of lecturing women not to sinfully fornicate I'm somehow persecuting conscientious objectors! Genius, pure genius.

Except, um, those two situations have less than jack diddly shit to do with each other.

First off, in a volunteer military, assuming no draft, etc. people who sign up are making a commitment, and that ought to include a basic understanding of what military service entails;

BUT...

Are you suggesting that soldiers who don't want to fight in wars and decide to desert should somehow be allowed to remain soldiers? I'm not talking about them not being prosecuted, or whatnot-- I'm asking if you REALLY think that a soldier who leaves for mexico or Canada ought to still get paychecks from the army?

really?

No shit, really?

:rofl:

And if not, like I said, your attempt at an analogy is massively goofy.

Beyond that, in this case, we have more than a denial of service, we have a good case of alleged deliberate medical malpractice. Which is, AFAIUI, potentially criminal, and can certainly incur civil liabilities.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Still waitin' for an answer, here, dude.

:freak:

[knitter4democracy]

84. Yeah, I don't get that, either.

Denying emergency contraception to rape victims is sin, as far as I'm concerned, and so is lecturing anyone about Jesus (a little to Phariseeical for me and totally not Christlike). If someone doesn't want to fill the scrip, they should turn it over to the next pharmacist who will. If there's no one else, then they have to fill it. It's that simple. Doctors aren't allowed to not treat a patient just because they don't want to if that person's already established with them, so why should pharmacists?

I personally don't understand why someone would go into a profession like that purely to prevent abortions, but I've known people who've done it. I've known people who went into teaching so they could spread the Word of Jesus in the public schools, too (that's what I get for going to an evangelical Christian college--I know way, way, way too many crazy Christians from those years). I never understood it, though. If you don't like the parameters of your job, then don't get that job.

[madrchsod]

46. since you claim that this is a "christian beliefs"

in what book did jesus say this was acceptable?

[Warren DeMontague]

58. No, that's not what I "claim".

Since you're responding to something that doesn't even remotely resemble what I *did* say, I'll wait until you understand what I actually did post before bothering to reply.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Damn such piece of shit people.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. These people are out of fucking control.

Seriously.

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. 'Presbyterian' Health Services Rio Rancho Family Health Center

I'm surprised that it wasn't Catholic or the nurse was.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. The anti contraception crazies belong to all denominations.

Sadly.

[supernova]

69. I'm surprised it's Presby

since the Presby Church USA is pro-choice. Odd.

[FloridaJudy]

34. Excuse me?

I'm a Family Planning Nurse Practitioner, and I'd never "tug" on an IUD unless the patient requested its removal.

You're in the wrong profession, you nit-witted, unethical, self-righteous piece of shit. If you have problems providing safe, reliable contraception to your clients, I suggest you go into accountancy or plumbing. Do yourself and your patients a favor.

Oh, and by the way, read the fucking literature, you asshole. The two IUDs on the market today do not cause abortions. They work by inhibiting fertilization - that's why they contain copper or progesterone. Not only are you unprofessional, but you're butt ignorant to boot.

I hope this patient sues you for all you're worth.

:rant:

Rant off.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. Problem is, I'd bet she has read all kinds of "literature".

Frankly, I'm surprised she recommended any kind of other contraception at all. The major anti-choice groups in this country are, to the last one, virulently anti-contraception, certainly anti oral contraceptives, which most of them consider 'morally equivalent' to surgical abortion.

It's never been about abortion, per se. When they're done with that, they'll go after all non-procreative sex.

[FloridaJudy]

39. They already *are* after non-procreative sex!

Why do you think these assholes have such a problem treating GBLT people decently?

Folks like this make me :banghead:

[liberalhistorian]

56. Problem is, they consider

"inhibiting fertilization" to be abortion as well, in their sick minds, there is no difference. No amount of "literature" will change their minds, sick motherfuckers.

[jmowreader]

41. Did she "gently tug" with a come-along?

She knows exactly how "gently" to tug to get an IUD to come out, and she just "gently" tugs on the strings a little harder than that.

I got a better idea than pulling her license, throwing her in jail or whatever: send all the women whose IUD strings were "gently tugged" by Nurse Ratched here to a real doctor for new IUDs, and send the bill to Defendant Olona.

[LeftyMom]

43. If any of them got knocked up they should bill her for support.

[jmowreader]

71. That would be good too

These fucking maniacs are going to keep doing this kind of shit until it hits them in the pocketbook.

[supernova]

44. This NP would be in the ER if she did this to me

:grr: :grr:

I hope the plaintiff takes her to the cleaners and gets her license yanked to boot.

[FedUpWithIt All]

45. ...

:wow: just :wow:

[dembotoz]

49. the nurse is still employed there????

[WeDidIt]

51. That "nurse" should be up on charges of battery

and should do time.

[BlueIris]

78. That's what I say. In addition to emotional trauma, what she did to the patient

could have serious physical health ramifications, and no, I don't just mean unintended pregnancy.

[malletgirl02]

87. I agree

I would go further than you did, this seems almost like a sexual assault, because the patient didn't want it removed.

[suffragette]

53. I hope the other patients she has tormented rather than treated see this

and file a suit against her as well.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. I Hope She Takes Them To The Fucking Cleaners.

An example definitely needs to be set here...

[BlueIris]

79. Yeah, at least. nt

[rucky]

57. The court should "gently tug" her license. n/t

[flvegan]

61. "Everyone in the office always laughs and tells me I pull these out on purpose..." Habitual?

Why does she still have a job?

[Lilith Velkor]

83. Everyone in the office should have taken her out to the parking lot for an oldschool beatdown

Now they will get to have all their wages spent on punitive damages instead.

[badgerpup]

62. "B-B-But suppose I don't WANT to use hormones for birth control..."

I got terrible headaches from birth control pills...

Friend of mine gained over 70 lbs while she was using Depo-provera...
Other anecdotal stuff...everyone knows somebody who ________ (fill in bad experience).

The female reproductive system is a very delicate and complex one, evolved to do a difficult job.
It's not just the girly bits that are affected if one goes throwing exogenous hormones into the system...the entire organism (read: CNS, bones, skin, organs...as well as mental processes) is affected here.

You might want think long and hard before you just go offhandedly deciding (and I'm looking at YOU, 'defendant Olona') that your own personal conviction trumps another competent adult woman's decision about her own health.
:grr:

Hope she does lose her license. Her actions were not to benefit the patient, but to promote her own agenda. That's just wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Too bad. Your body belongs to Jesus.

Because we said so.

:sarcasm:

[LeftyMom]

68. I CAN'T do hormonal or most barrier methods.

There's a family history of blood clots that makes hormonal methods dangerous to me, and I'm allergic to latex.

so if somebody did something like that to me, they'd subject me to pain for nothing- I don't have any other methods available to me except sterilization, which I don't want, and polyurethane condoms.

[knitter4democracy]

85. Same here.

I've tried three different hormonal treatments only to have the same horrendous reaction to all three, so that's out. I'm allergic to spermicide, and most other stuff gives me constant yeast infections. Honestly, that nurse needs to get drop-kicked out of the profession.

[BlueIris]

80. You have NO IDEA how many times I've had to explain this to ignorant misogynists.

Some of whom were medical "professionals."

Fellas? They're called vasectomies. Look into them.

[nichomachus]

64. I hope they award her $10,000,000 -- and yank the nurse's license

[JerseygirlCT]

65. I hope she wins, and wins big. nt

[progressoid]

66. Good grief.

[Obamarama]

70. This nurse will no longer be a nurse after this trial ends.

[BlueIris]

81. She shouldn't be one now. This type of sociopath needs to be prevented from ever

gaining legal or social control over the bodies of others.

[Lucian]

76. That nurse should be fired immediately and lose any license(s) she has.