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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:38 PM
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Does anyone believe there's secret gov't causing problems like the flip flopping of Gregg?
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 09:03 PM by Divine Discontent
I didn't like hearing Cheney moved nearby D.C. (McLean VA) and didn't even want people moving his boxes for him, and I have heard several stories/comments about such a thing, along the lines of, "oh, the people can cry and yearn for Obama to become president, but we're not going anywhere, really" (about the shadow gov't or illuminati, etc). Anyone else think it's decently possible? Just seems that these asshats were in absolute power for 8 years, started a false war without any punishment, and tortured at will, and wouldn't want to be caught for it anytime soon. Blackmailing seems possible when he was for a stimulus than backs down and blasts it as something he couldn't go to work every and support.

Hopefully, we get a Democrat chosen this time around. But, does anyone believe they have a secret gov't?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:39 PM
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1. I don't know what you mean
by "secret government".

Can you say more, describe what you're referring to, please?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:53 PM
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8. the illuminati or other types of groups who are certainly not wanting President Obama to succeed.
Cheney and B*sh repeatedly defended the 'shadow gov't' they put in place after 9/11, down in bunkers (up to 100 senior officials) and with Cheney still having a place near D.C., I just don't trust 'em. They did so many horrible criminal crimes against humanity that it's unsettling they're roaming around like nothing was done wrong.




here's the first google page of 'shadow government'

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Shadow government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A shadow government is a "government-in-waiting" that remains in waiting with the intention of taking control of a government in response to some event. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_government - 28k - Cached - Similar pages
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The Shadow Government
What has replaced it is what many call the Shadow Government. It still, for the most part, operates in secret, because its control is not secure. ...
www.constitution.org/shad4816.htm - 31k - Cached - Similar pages
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Shadow Government Statistics - Home Page
"John Williams' Shadow Government Statistics" is an electronic newsletter service that exposes and analyzes flaws in current U.S. government economic data ...
www.shadowstats.com/ - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
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Shadow Government | FOREIGN POLICY
Further to my post on democracy and Afghanistan, a Shadow Government loyalist writes in with some learned and interesting observations: ...
shadow.foreignpolicy.com/ - 139k - Cached - Similar pages
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The United States' Secret Shadow Government, A Structural Analysis ...
Aug 1, 2008 ... Discusion about The United States' Secret Shadow Government, A Structural Analysis by Richard Boylan PhD in the AboveTopSecret.com website ...
www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/secgov.html - 103k - Cached - Similar pages
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America's SHADOW Government
May 17, 2006 ... CNN 1991 Documentary - U.S. Shadow Government Transcript — This CNN 'Special Assignment' aired in 1991 reveals the powerful, super-secret ...
www.sweetliberty.org/shadow.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
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THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT
Shadow government groups and players back. "If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts. ...
www.whale.to/b/shadow.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
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Illuminati News: The Shadow Government aka the Illuminati
The Shadow Government - It is becoming increasingly apparent to American citizens that government is no longer being conducted in accordance with the U.S. ...
www.illuminati-news.com/shadow-gov.htm - 263k - Cached - Similar pages
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:41 PM
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2. Ummmm ...
:hide: - if Agent Mike is around ... Of course not!

(Yes, I really do think there is a smokey filled room where a select few pull all the strings)
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:44 PM
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3. are you talking about the supposed shadow government? n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:46 PM
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6. 'the supposed shadow government' - yes, that.
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 08:56 PM by Divine Discontent
just because Obama won the election and became president, it doesn't mean the sickos who corrupted this world for 8 years are going to be good guys. but, yes, 'shadow government'.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:45 PM
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4. No.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:46 PM
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5. In this day and time, having cheenee proximate to DC is immaterial.
Technology has wiped out the distance imposed by distance.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:55 PM
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9. well, the cell phone and net have changed that for some time, but they certainly put
nuclear bunkers beneath major areas to use. I still don't trust them.
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:51 PM
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7. if you mean the repuke party, headed by the right wing
noise machine,

then - YES
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:40 PM
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10. I believe that there has always been...
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 09:41 PM by stillcool
a firm hold on our government by the powerful, behind the scenes. I think in a perfect world politicians bridge the needs of industry, with the needs of a nation. But it isn't that simple anymore is it? I think we are a military power with a country, rather than a country with a military power. Add to that multi-national corporations, who have no allegiance to any country, and who are we? Check this out from 2000...can you imagine what these behemoths are today?

Top 200: The Rise of Global Corporate Power
By Sarah Anderson and John Cavanagh
Corporate Watch
2000
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/tncs/top200.htm
There are now 40,000 corporations in the world whose activities cross national boundaries; these firms ply overseas markets through some 250,000 foreign affiliates.1 Yet, new calculations by the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) indicate that the top 200 of these global firms account for an alarming and growing share of the world's economic activity.

Two hundred giant corporations, most of them larger than many national economies, now control well over a quarter of the world's economic activity. Philip Morris is larger than New Zealand, and it operates in 170 countries.2 Instead of creating an integrated global village, these firms are weaving webs of production, consumption, and finance that bring economic benefits to, at most, a third of the world's people. Two-thirds of the world (the bottom 20 percent of the rich countries and the bottom 80 percent of the poor countries) are either left out, marginalized, or hurt by these webs of activity
Summary of Findings
1. Of the 100 largest economies in the world, 51 are now global corporations; only 49 are countries.
2. The combined sales of the world's Top 200 corporations are far greater than a quarter of the world's economic activity.
3. The Top 200 corporations' combined sales are bigger than the combined economies of all countries minus the biggest 9; that is they surpass the combined economies of 182 countries.
4. The Top 200 have almost twice the economic clout of the poorest four-fifths of humanity.
5. The Top 200 have been net job destroyers in recent years. Their combined global employment is only 18.8 million, which is less than a third of one one-hundredth of one percent of the world's people.
6. Not only are the world's largest corporations cutting workers, their CEOs often benefit financially from the job cuts.
7. Japanese corporations have surpassed U.S. corporations in the ranking of the Top 200.
8. Over half of the sales of the Top 200 are in just 5 economic sectors; and corporate concentration in these sectors is high.
9. When General Motors trades with itself, is that free trade?: One-third of world trade is simply transactions among various units of the same corporation.
10. The Top 200 are creating a global economic apartheid, not a global village. The top eight telecommunications firms, for example, have been expanding global sales rapidly, yet over nine-tenths of humanity remains without phones.

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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:06 PM
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11. I feel that way when I've had too much morphine.
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