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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:58 AM
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Wouldn't this be considered double taxation?
Transportation chief eyes taxing miles driven
LaHood's says current gasoline tax not enough to fund infrastructure

WASHINGTON - Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn — an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.

Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation's transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," the former Illinois Republican lawmaker said.

Most transportation experts see a vehicle miles traveled tax as a long-term solution, but Congress is being urged to move in that direction now by funding pilot projects.

The idea also is gaining ground in several states. Governors in Idaho and Rhode Island are talking about such programs, and a North Carolina panel suggested in December the state start charging motorists a quarter-cent for every mile as a substitute for the gas tax.

A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it's an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. Other motorists say it eliminates an incentive to drive more fuel-efficient cars since gas guzzlers will be taxed at the same rate as fuel sippers.

Thinking outside the box
Besides a VMT tax, more tolls for highways and bridges and more government partnerships with business to finance transportation projects are other funding options, LaHood, one of two Republicans in President Barack Obama's Cabinet, said in the interview Thursday.

"What I see this administration doing is this — thinking outside the box on how we fund our infrastructure in America," he said.

LaHood said he firmly opposes raising the federal gasoline tax in the current recession.

The program that funds the federal share of highway projects is part of a surface transportation law that expires Sept. 30. Last fall, Congress made an emergency infusion of $8 billion to make up for a shortfall between gas tax revenues and the amount of money promised to states for their projects. The gap between money raised by the gas tax and the cost of maintaining the nation's highway system and expanding it to accommodate population growth is forecast to continue to widen.

Among the reasons for the gap is a switch to more fuel-efficient cars and a decrease in driving that many transportation experts believe is related to the economic downturn. Electric cars and alternative-fuel vehicles that don't use gasoline are expected to start penetrating the market in greater numbers.

"One of the things I think everyone agrees with around reauthorization of the highway bill is that the highway trust fund is an antiquated system for funding our highways," LaHood said. "It did work to build the interstate system and it was very effective, there's no question about that. But the big question now is, We're into the 21st century and how are we going to take care of our infrastructure needs ... with a highway trust fund that had to be plused up by $8 billion by Congress last year?"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298315/


I know it would kill me, I drive more than 10,000 miles every year.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:59 AM
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1. Nice way to kill some demand for fuel efficient cars.
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:06 AM
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2. I drive over 30,000 miles a year.
And a huge amount of that is on toll roads (there are almost no non-toll roads in the Orlando area, and the few that are here are overcrowded). I remember the good old days when our taxes paid for roads. I'm going to be bled dry.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:09 AM
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3. Double taxation exists in many forms
For those who had enough to itemize, once upon a time you could deduct both state income and sales taxes from your Federal taxable income. We all pay Federal income tax on the money that gets taxed for Social Security and Medicare.

Double taxation is not new, nor is it ever going away.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:12 AM
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4. The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away...
.025 tax on $10,000 miles is $250.00. Federal tax on gasoline is already 18.4 cents (not to mention state taxes on top of that.) And, how much of a middle class income tax cut are people going to get?

Sounds like they want to, with the large print, give an income tax cut, and with the small print take it back in a mileage tax. Political legerdemain.

Not to mention that a gps chip in every car would allow the government to know, every second, where your car is....follow you around wherever you go.

Fuck this shit.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:33 AM
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5. LaHood can kiss my ass
I have to drive thirty miles to a grocery store.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:01 PM
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16. Is there some law that says you can't live within 30 miles of a grocery store?
What the hell did you do to merit that punishment?

I've heard of sex offenders not being allowed to live near schools but this is a new one.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:20 PM
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17. LOL No I am a country
gal. My horses do not like the city.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:38 AM
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6. Vehicle weight x miles driven = roadway wear and tear.
It seems to me that some algorithm is better than what we have. :shrug:

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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:52 AM
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7. Completely backwards. I'm sure he's being 'encouraged' to do this from industry insiders.
Oh, I wrote the subject before I saw that he was a Republican. Surprise!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:54 AM
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8. What's wrong with "double taxation"?
For example, state and federal income taxes...
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:03 AM
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9. So raise the friggin' gas tax, don't replace it
with this abomination of an idea. Big, heavy, inefficient vehicles cause much more wear and tear on roads than small, light, fuel-efficient ones. Tax 'em by the gallon burned to make the people who cause the most wear pay the most to fix it - seems fair.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:16 AM
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11. LaHood want;s to add this tax on top of the gas tax
That is where the double whammy hits you in the gut.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:30 AM
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12. I took the "rather than" in paragraph one to mean "instead of," not
"in addition to." Neither change would be met happily by this efficient car driving motorist.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:12 AM
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10. Talk about counter productive.
What incentive is there then for fuel efficient cars or trucks? If they take away the tax on fuel then people wouldn't mind having huge fuel hogs that pollute much more than hybrids.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:33 AM
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13. Anyone who has driven on a toll road gets taxed double
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:34 AM
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14. This will just destroy Californians

who can't get anywhere without a car unless you live in big city.... so this Repuke gets a Cabinet post and now more middle class has to suffer with a tax that will only affect us? Can't somebody PLEASE tax the rich, tax the oil companies, and stop this madness!

:grr:
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:43 PM
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15. How are they going to get the GPS chip into all the cars
already on the road? Have they been putting them in on the sly for the last decade? And how much will it cost to track down all the people who take them out because they don't want to be tracked like a tagged elk?

Stupid, stupid, stupid idea.
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