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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:07 PM
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American PEOPLE ahead of German High Court: E-voting Ruled Unconstitutional!!
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 11:28 PM by Land Shark

Hand counted paper ballots to be used now in Germany's 2009 elections -- computerized secret vote counting banned by constitutional PRINCIPLES!




Computerized voting machines used by 2 million of Germany's 5 million voters
in 2005 are unconstitutional and not in line with democratic
standards, especially the publicity of the counting (i.e. transparency,
visibility).
Thus, the 2009 elections - European Parliament in June and
the Bundestag (German parliament) elections in September may not use
existing voting machines and will be on paper and hand counted. Here's the
Decision in German:
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/entscheidungen/cs20090303_2bvc000307.html (with Google Translate and lotsa imagination you might get a useful translation -- the official English translation is due in a day or two)

Despite any modest statements reported in the media by one single
judge (Herr Vossruhle) to the effect that the German high court's ruling
doesn't necessarily ban (as a class) all computerized systems
-- only the system used in the close German parliamentary elections of 2005
was ruled upon -- this seeming qualification is required by all courts
because they can only rule on the case before them.

However, this seeming qualification is totally belied by the principles the court held and
affirmed were required by the constitution.
(links below)

The twin requirements, of constitutional magnitude, of no "specialized
technical knowledge" being required
for citizens, combined with the
constitutional requirement of a publicly observed count as a practical
matter make secret vote counting on computers impossible as the
primary means of counting.



Nor will a paper trail suffice, said the Court, according to reports about the ruling
from European media linked below.

As a result, the conclusion is accurate: "electronic voting machines banned in Germany."

Courts, as is usual, don't make peremptory advisory rulings
on cases not before them, but the principles strongly affirmed by
Germany's highest court, I emphasize, make it impossible that
a computerized count (always a secret count, or else one requiring
"specialized technical knowledge" to interpret) can never be valid
under the law of any REAL democracy.

Apparently, the former Nazi Germany has learned the lessons of democracy's requirements for complete visibility of vote counts. Private votes, PUBLIC Counts.



Also included below is polling from Zogby that I helped commission
showing 92% as of August 2006 agreed that citizens have a right to
observe vote counts and obtain any and all information about vote
counts. (Thanks to Nancy Tobi and Democracy for New Hampshire
as well as Michael Collins of ElectionFraudNews for their help on this one.)

Similar but slightly lower high numbers for the right of visible vote counting
were also obtained as well in a specific conservative congressional district
as part of an exit poll in the November 2006 election that I also commissioned
via Zogby, confirming the initial results of the August 2006 poll.

The German high court as well as the American people totally get it: To
secure freedom we must have publicly observed vote counts or else at
the very moment when we most need our vote (to kick out corrupt
incumbents) we are least likely to have a guaranteed right to vote
with the correlative right to have that vote counted properly.

To have the former Nazi Germany ratify these principles is, in my
opinion, just as stirring and historic as having an African-American
elected from the Land of Lincoln, if not moreso.



Actually, it is more important, IMHO, because a single President
can only serve two terms while principles of democracy are timeless,
so long as we remember them, as the German High Court did.

NOTE WELL: Specific constitutional language is not required if the principles of freedom and democracy inherent in liberty command it. ALSO NOTE WELL: Many long-recognized "constitutional" rights such as interstate travel, self-defense, privacy, abortion rights, having children, getting married (well, for some), and so on have been held to be fundamental or inalienable rights despite no text in the Constitution specifically supporting them.

Moreover, rights as "low" as the right to divorce or file bankruptcy or to be free from reckless gross negligence have routinely been held to be inalienable or unwaivable by any contract or act of any person.


As the Constitution, as they say, is not a suicide pact, and also must be interpreted (to get its proper meaning, under US Supreme Court precedent) consistently with the Declaration of Independence and the sovereignty of We the People, it is not really even possible for a JUST ruling to command anything less than fully public, visible, transparent vote counts, because they are an absolute necessity for the inalienable right of the Declaration of Independence to "alter or abolish" the government, especially when the "bums" to be kicked out are corrupt (and thus cheaters or willing to cheat). Of course, it is possible in the USA that the wrong arguments or compromised arguments would be made, or a US Supreme Court would make another corrupt ruling. But even such corruption doesn't waive inalienable rights -- it's just a void ruling.

Yes, I know, tyrants always love the law and enforce it, valid or not. But without these principles being remembered, we're rendered defenseless against unjust laws -- and that's a difference that makes a huge difference in the long run.

Excerpts from European and American based media outlets:

International Herald Tribune:
"Federal Constitutional Court upheld two complaints about the use of
the machines in 2005. It found they violated provisions requiring that
voters be able to assure themselves — without specific technical
knowledge —
that their vote was recorded correctly."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/03/03/europe/EU-Germany-Voting-Machines.php

IT Examiner:
"The court made it clear that a simple print-out or flashy icon
displaying what party or person was voted for is not enough.
/ Not
only that, any constraint on the people's right to know cannot be
alleviated by having a state institution check machines to make sure
they have not been tampered with."

http://www.itexaminer.com/voting-machines-outlawed-in-germany.aspx

Radio Netherlands reports that elections later this year must be on
pencil and paper, counted publicly.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6199272/Germany-rejects-computer-voting

" complained that push button voting was not transparent
because the voter could not see what actually happened to his vote
inside the computer and was required to place "blind faith" in the
technology."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4069101,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/tech/0,1518,487958,00.html (German
language Der Spiegel, computer activists explaining their opposition
to computerized counting)

Here's a link to a poll I commissioned with help from two other
individuals expressing an apparently unprecedented 92% level of
support for the proposition that Americans have "the right to observe
vote counting and obtain any and all information about vote counting"
http://www.zogby.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=1163 (new link)

And an oped I wrote that puts the 92% figure in context, higher
support than Bush's approval after 9-11, any approval ratings for
anyone, higher than the percentage of people who wouldn't mind having
a personal tax cut, etc.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_paul_leh_060823_zogby_poll_3a__strong_.htm


This article may be freely forwarded with all links and contact information
intact.

A bonus for the first to complain about a "long post" about the most important principle of freedom imaginable. If you do so, you're too busy to defend, think about, or celebrate victories of worldwide historic importance unless you slow down and give some posts (it's your choice) more attention than others.
--
Paul R Lehto, Juris Doctor
Permanent Progress
P.O. Box 1
Ishpeming, MI 49849
lehto.paul@gmail.com
906-204-2333
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:35 PM
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1. K&R
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:57 PM
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2. Thanks Ellipsis, I like your name. :) nt
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:11 AM
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4. Have ya been hanging out with with Ed Asner lately? Heh.
Edited on Wed Mar-04-09 12:27 AM by Ellipsis
Thanks. New name, same old farmer from Wisconsin.


Good to see out and about Paul, you've been scarce as of late.



Edited to add: Toivottavasti!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:10 AM
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3. Alright! Glad to see it.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:13 AM
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5. K&R
:thumbsup:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:11 AM
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6. WOW and our Supreme Court blocks Hand Counts
:banghead:


Good on Germany.

K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:20 AM
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7. K&R
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:53 PM
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8. K&R after re-reading nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:56 PM
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9. Paper "trail" is little more than garbage in, garbage out
handcounted paper ballots is the ONLY fair way to do elections..counted IN PUBLIC, and a MINIMUM of "absentee" ballots.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:08 PM
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10. Totally agreed. Germany's US-imposed constitutional principles command so! :) nt
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:59 PM
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11. Hopefully there will be a domino effect that spills over to elections run in the US
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:53 PM
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12. A blow to "Faith-Based Voting"
May it lead to a general demise of faith-based voting worldwide.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:49 PM
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13. kick
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:34 AM
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14. kick! nt
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:14 PM
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15. Is the English translation out yet? Thanks.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:58 PM
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16. You may prefer the synopsis or syllabus available here
in the English language press release version:
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/en/press/bvg09-019en.html
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