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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:37 PM
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If a REPUBLICAN summited with special interests & hired an advisor who wants to PRIVATIZE MEDICARE--





If a REPUBLICAN administration had announced a “Healthcare Reform Summit”, inviting representatives of healthcare corporate interests, but simultaneously

(1)snubbing physician and nursing advocates of Single Payer healthcare-for-all, and

(2) hiring a well connected White House adviser who advocates PRIVATIZING MEDICARE

how would we react?




. . . . . . . . . . . .



Do we believe that our Democratic administration is immune to corporate influence?


Where is the outrage over the exclusion of Single Payer advocates from the health summit?


Are Democrats actually aware of the specifics, and consequences, of the well-intentioned, but misguided, voucher plan advocated by “White House advisor” Zeke Emanuel (Rahm’s brother) which would privatize Medicare? (Is there any other honest term for a proposal to eliminate Medicare for future retirees for a private insurance voucher scheme with no "public option"?)








Consequences of Corporate-Friendly “Privatized Medicare”:





Would not a voucher system, in which citizens must purchase private insurance with NO PUBLIC OPTION (no choice to buy-in to Medicare and/or Medicaid), using their own funds in addition to the voucher to purchase “upgraded options”, be the mother of all bailouts FOR THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY?



Have we not learn from our previous experiences with corporate welfare?


. . . When the drug companies were allowed to write a Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit that allowed them to markedly increase sales volume, and profits, did we then see drug prices (reflecting economies of scale) come down? )

. . . When we bailed out failed banks, did executives stop giving themselves bonuses? )

. . . When we caved in to the credit card companies, & made bankruptcy more difficult for the non-creditworthy customers (who had been deluged with unsolicited credit card propositions), did the credit card companies then lower their usurious rates?


What do we think will happen to the price of insurance policies once vouchers have been decreed & insurance purchase mandated?


. . . . . . . . . .


We spend twice the % of GDP on Medicine, and 2-3 times the “administrative costs” as other industrial nations, while simultaneously leaving millions uninsured even as we hobble American industry with medical insurance costs which make them non-competitive.

Our insurance industry has utterly failed to control costs, all the while extracting a 31% “administrative” cut. (And this is what private insurers have done while attempting to avoiding insuring those with pre-existing & other high risk condition.)

Despite the federal government’s struggles with Medicare & Medicaid costs, these federal programs have been our single greatest RESTRAINING force on excessive medical prices, all-the-while (over 4 decades & counting) delivering care to previously underserved populations.

(This restraining effect is illustrated by insurance companies use if the “allowable Medicare price” as the BASIS FOR THEIR NEGOTIATIONS with hospitals & other providers.)


. . . . . . . . . .


Do we not now need a SINGLE PAYER system which preserves & expands Medicare, and which taps the wasteful 31% "administrative" cut now going to insurance companies, & re-directs those funds into actual healthcare services?













The Response of Future (perhaps right wing) Administrations to Insurance Price Increases (in a Post-Medicare World} :





As proposed, the well intentioned & misguided Emanuel/Fuchs GHAP (Guaranteed HealthCare Access Plan) is envisioned as involving voucher which would cover basic defined services with the option of additionally purchasing various (more expensive) options.



How will a private voucher differ from Medicare?

Under Medicare, the retiree’s financial obligations are limited to his deductibles, which are known. The political hazards associated to politicians considering reneging on Medicare obligations affords retirees a measure of stability.

In contrast is the utter ease with which such a privatized, voucher based system could be transformed by a future Republican administration into a system in which the voucher only covered a portion (or even a small portion) of the price of even the most basic insurance coverage.

Once Medicare is privatized, all that would be required for such a transformation would be for a right wing administration (or Congress) to keep the vouched funds constant in the face of rising insurance prices.

Once Medicare is privatized, and replaced with a (well meaning) voucher system (in which the retiree must purchase a private policy using the voucher supplemented by his own funds {for “upgrades”, etc}, how would a hypothetical future right wing administration/Congress respond to higher prices by insurance companies?

Would a right wing Congress and/or the administration readily adjust voucher funds to meet higher prices?


. . . . . . . . . .


Today, under Medicare (or any Single Payer system), the federal government must deal with increased medical prices through negotiations, politics and/or regulations.

In a post-Medicare world, by writing vouchers the government would pass the burden of negotiation to individual retirees.

Could there be a greater power mismatch than retirees negotiating with insurance corporations (corporations that will then possess the ultimate trump card - - - the fact that consumers are ultimately required to purchase one of their policies, regardless of price)?

If a future Congress/administration does not increase voucher funding to meet rising insurance prices, what will prevent insurance prices from consuming a major portion (or more) of a retiree’s Social Security (or other) pension?


. . . . . . . . . .


How ironic is it that a right wing Republican administration would have NEVER have had the political capital to privatize Medicare, but if Democrats actually privatize/"voucherize" Medicare for them, a future Republican majority could easily destroy the value of those vouchers incrementally through inflation and inaction.


. . . . . . . . . .


Do we really want to build such a post-Medicare world?

Is a plan containing NO PUBLIC OPTION (as proposed by White House advisor Zeke Emanuel, Rahm’s brother) your idea of healthcare “reform”?








There are many intelligent voices proposing real healthcare reform.

The Physicians for a National Health Plan (PNHP), and the California Nurses Association(CNA) are strong advocates within the house of medicine for Single Payer Healthcare-for-All (sometimes called “Medicare for All”)

But unlike the insurance corporations, PNCP and CNA are NOT EVEN INVITED to the health summit.





And Howard Dean has spoken unequivocally regarding the necessity for PRESERVING a PUBLIC OPTION:






Howard Dean: Real Health Reform ‘Rises And Falls On Whether The Public Is Allowed To Choose Medicare’


"If Barack Obama’s bill gets changed to exclude the public entities, it is not health insurance reform…it rises and falls on whether the public is allowed to choose Medicare if they’re under 65 or not. If they are allowed to choose Medicare as an option, this bill will be real health care reform. If they’re not, we will be back fighting about it for another 20 years before somebody tries again."

- Dr. Howard Dean











But instead of heeding Howard Dean, we now have a “summit” packed with special interests, and a “White House advisor” (who happens to be the brother of the White House Chief-of-Staff) whose idea of healthcare “reform” is to PRIVATIZE MEDICARE.








Is it time our President heard from us?


Did we send him to the White House to take or the special interests, or to remake the healthcare system to their liking?


Does not America now need Single Payer Healthcare-for-All?


Will we stand for a mandated voucher-based insurance scheme that excludes public options?






:kick:











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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:41 PM
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1. Big Insurance and Big Pharma must have a seat at the table


:puke:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 02:48 AM
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11. we should get to drink their milkshake
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:45 PM
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37. A seat with tacks glued to it?
Or a regular seat? I don't mind if it has tacks glued to it...
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:26 PM
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51. Especially when they own the table. nt
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:43 PM
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2. I'm at the point now where I'd almost rather have Obama do nothing on health care. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:08 AM
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15. That's what I'm starting to feel as well. Giving insurance companies
even more control of the health care industry when they are the current problem is crazy and will do us more harm.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:29 PM
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47. Then you are nearly EXACTLY where the OP
is trying to lead you!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:44 PM
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3. Nobody cares.
Where do you think you are posting? :sarcasm:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:49 AM
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20. Every body cares.
The only decent health care that we get in this country is Medicare and if they privatize it forcing us to buy private insurance with all the problems that come with it, senior citizens might as well shoot themselves now and have a mass die in protest.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:53 PM
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65. I CARE.

My mother is disabled through no fault of her own and needs long term care. If long term care is not part of the package, she as good as has NO healthcare at all.

And I am sick and tired of dealing with these for-profit insurance PIGS and the lying social workers and other "medical professionals" who are in bed with them.

:grr:

SINGLE PAYER IS THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM. Obama better wake up or he will become an epic fail.

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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:14 AM
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4. Kick NT
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:18 AM
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5. To me, health care reform means spending money on CARE not INSURANCE
Insurance is a racket, plain and simple.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:21 AM
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6. K&R n/t
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:24 AM
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7. No insurer should be able to profit from the illness and/or injury of US citizens, IMO. n/t
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:35 AM
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8. Your "concern" is noted
:eyes:






:sarcasm:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:04 AM
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12. sorry "rage". . I think the OP is right on this one.... The insurance
companies should give up their "place at the table", NOT the single payer advocates...
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 12:33 AM
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66. I'm with you
My comment was sarcasm, a jab at all those on this board who state "your concern is duly noted" any time someone dares criticize Obama. As though the man can do no wrong.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:04 AM
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14. We need all the options at the table
Why do you think single payer is being excluded? Honestly?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:51 AM
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21. It's a threat to the industry and the biggest political advocates like Emmanuel
and Senator Baucus receive lots of money from the corporate health care and insurance industry. So they aren't even playing fair on this one.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:05 AM
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18. glad to see the sarcasm icon
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:06 AM
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23. Of what value is it to us to have a President who LISTENS ....
... if we don't speak up when the public interest demands it?? :eyes:

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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:44 PM
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36. Yup, concern about concessions made to Big Pharma is the obvious mark of a Republican operative.
You hit that one on the head :eyes:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:12 AM
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9. It was clear since the first time I heard of an Obama health care plan during the primaries,
that his intent was to enshrine the private insurance companies as the owners in perpetuity of American health care.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that he and the corporate servants in his employ now try to exclude single-payer from the issue.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:46 PM
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38. Just because he said that during the campaign does
not absolve us of the responsibility to move him in another direction. He's going to come to us in 2012 saying he couldn't do everything he wanted because of x (whatever x happens to be at the time). I say he needs to start EARNING those progressive/left leaning votes.

I didn't vote for a third Clinton administration.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:46 PM
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42. I agree.
We need to do the right thing right.

He proposes to do the wrong thing competently.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:56 PM
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50. "He proposes to do the wrong thing competently."
Also applies to bailing out the big banks and escalating Afghanistan.

It's still early, but I understand the sentiment.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:32 PM
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52. those are my "three strikes."
health care, Afghanistan and Wall Street (banks).

There is an interesting financial conjunction among those... hmmmm...
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:40 PM
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55. You know and I know, Barack Obama is a corporatist. He will oversee the collapse
of this country. All is as it should be.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 02:30 AM
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10. K&R !!
:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:45 AM
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13. Thanks for this. It's really this simple, Obama can become
one of the most popular presidents in history by bringing us out of our economic mess and having a medicare for all type of health care system or become an unpopular president by privatizing medicare. Health care costs have risen so much for my family, I count the days I can be on medicare. If medicare is privatized, it will become difficult for me to vote anymore.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:12 AM
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16. K&R
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:30 AM
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17. Big Pharma and Wall Street are to Democrats what Big Oil and Defense Contractors are to Pukes
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:08 AM
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19.  Health Care Industry in Talks to Shape Policy [SECRET TALKS, NYT
In my opine, it is a revamping of the Mass health insurance---Kennedy is the lead in this.

This is not good as Conyer's bill is NOT on the table.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20health.html?_r=1&ref=health&pagewanted=print


February 20, 2009
Health Care Industry in Talks to Shape Policy
By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — Since last fall, many of the leading figures in the nation’s long-running health care debate have been meeting secretly in a Senate hearing room. Now, with the blessing of the Senate’s leading proponent of universal health insurance, Edward M. Kennedy, they appear to be inching toward a consensus that could reshape the debate.

Many of the parties, from big insurance companies to lobbyists for consumers, doctors, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, are embracing the idea that comprehensive health care legislation should include a requirement that every American carry insurance.

.........
The talks, which are taking place behind closed doors, are unusual. Lobbyists for a wide range of interest groups — some of which were involved in defeating national health legislation in 1993-4 — are meeting with the staff of Mr. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, in a search for common ground.

.................

While President Obama is not directly represented in the talks, the White House has been kept informed and is encouraging the Senate effort as a way to get the ball rolling on health legislation.

...............

“While there was some diversity of views,” it said, “the sense of the room is that an individual obligation to purchase insurance should be part of reform if that obligation is coupled with effective mechanisms to make coverage meaningful and affordable.”

The ideas discussed include a proposal to penalize people who fail to comply with the “individual obligation” to have insurance.

......................................

The 20 people who regularly attend the meetings on Capitol Hill include lobbyists for AARP, Aetna, the A.F.L.-C.I.O., the American Cancer Society, the American Medical Association, America’s Health Insurance Plans, the Business Roundtable, Easter Seals, the National Federation of Independent Business, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, and the United States Chamber of Commerce.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:37 PM
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54. i honestly do not understand....

what does Teddy (excuse me, i meant Sir Kennedy) have to do with this all???

:shrug:

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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:56 AM
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62. Kennedy is leading the effort in the Senate. So, basically as Chair

of this committee, he is calling the shots (through he aides and staff). It will he his 'signiture' bill and as far as I can tell, it does NOT include single payer. I see someone posted that the Summit today will finally include a few advocates for single payer (article on huff post) but post here on du also. I am glad to see this--but since it seems to me that so much is already set in stone with the Kennedy plan, I do not think that finally inviting them to the table will lead to single payer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/05/kennedy-baucus-major-heal_n_164426.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:54 AM
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22. Thanks for the disturbing information.
If this is how they are going to bring us universal health care, God help us all!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:44 AM
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24. It seems as though the big guys are negotiating for the big
guys again. Listen to Dr. Dean, and the Nurses for the sake of the users of this broken system that has lined the pockets of those gearing up to keep the money rolling in for themselves.

And think about the following idea:

"How ironic is it that a right wing Republican administration would have NEVER have had the political capital to privatize Medicare, but if Democrats actually privatize/"voucherize" Medicare for them, a future Republican majority could easily destroy the value of those vouchers incrementally through inflation and inaction."

Lets listen to the Doctors and Nurses who are advocating for “Medicare for All”


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:57 AM
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25. If they do this, they are going the way of Hillarycare. Congress will not
pass anything this corporate and Draconian, at least I hope so. Then the Obama adminstration will have to go back to the drawing board again. This time maybe they will listen to John Conyers and his witnesses to why single payer is the best and most cost effective option left.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:14 AM
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26. Excellent post, K&R n/t
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:26 PM
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27. Stop...you're making sense on a website that is designed only for rage against Bush..who's gone..n/t
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:08 PM
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28. The insurance lobby
gave the Dems $20,000,000 this last election cycle. It gave the GOP $25,000,000.

How much did the single-payer advocates give?

Who says Blago is the only one who has stuff for sale.

And Obama can't have the single-payer advocates at the table. First, they would make sense. Second, people would agree with them. Third, to satisfy the insurance money boys, the Dems would have to Harry and Louise us to reject single-payer.

Much better for the Dems to not allow the single-payer people to speak, rather than spend political capital to cut them off at the knees later.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:39 PM
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29. Recommended and I agree.
:hi:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:01 PM
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30. KR! thanks for this! nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:15 PM
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31. I think we may be unnecessarily going off the deep end here.
Obama tends to make his first moves directly toward his opponents, giving them a chance to get on board, etc. Then he goes ahead and does pretty much what he was planning to do. He did this with the Blue Dogs before putting though the stimulus bill, and he's doing it again. Don't be too surprised if the resultant plan ends up looking a lot like Dean's plan. And I think he couldn't appoint Dean to HHS because it would have unmasked the coming moves.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:25 PM
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33. What do you think Single Payer advocates should do?


I hope you are right.

What present actions do you think would help bring about Single Payer Universal healthcare?








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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:41 PM
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35. I think we need to keep our voices being heard.
I've signed online petitions, talked to my Congressman, helped stage public forums on health care, have written LTTE, etc. I keep thinking of what FDR said--something like "You know what the right thing is; now make me do it!"

I really don't know that I'm right about Obama, but it seems so clear to me that we need either a single-payer system or a buy-in to Medicare, that I can't believe he's ignorant of the situation. After all this is among the 3 major issues facing the nation at this instant, and it can make us or break us. I don't think he sees a way to go straight to single-payer because it will bring down the wrath of the gargantuan health insurance industry upon him, and could break his Presidency. I expect instead that he will put in place something like the Dean system and invite the private interest to prove that they can compete.

As a side note, he is basically cutting a big chunk of profit out of the payments to those private HMO's who contract to deliver Medicare--the Medicare Advantage system, I think it is, and using the savings to finance part of his health care proposal. This is already drawing screams of protest from the "privates," who are trying to portray it as taking away benefits from the elderly. It is not. It is taking undue profits away from them for serving the elderly, because they were being reimbursed at 114% of normal Medicare rates.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:31 PM
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41. Zig zag to single payer
Agree with your post. Two maxims that apply here: don't bite off more than you can chew and you have to crawl before you can walk.

Biting and chewing:

Obama's first job was handed to him by the Bush administration: the economy. He will justly be viewed as a savior and a miracle worker if he manages to keep us out of a depression. He needs all the help he can get right now. Taking on the highly organized and deep-pocketed insurance and pharmaceutical industries at the same time as he is trying to resuscitate the economy would be suicidal. Talking nice to the vested interests in health care keeps them out of the fray when all of his energies need to be devoted elsewhere.

One of the challenges of converting to a single payer system is that it will cause massive dislocation and job losses, particularly in the insurance industry. The current economy can't handle the additional trauma.

Crawling:

The waste in our health care system is monumental. Tinkering can save hundreds of billions. Dismantling Medicare Advantage is a real good first step.

It's nonsensical to suppose that Obama can do everything at once. The economy is clearly job one. In the interim, we need to keep banging the drums for single payer...
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:17 PM
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46. It think I agree. . . . . . .


Howard Dean's idea is to not force Single Payer, but make it an option (Specifically, giving the option to younger people to "buy in" to Medicare if they choose. The proportion of people choosing this will likely rise, as private insurance rates rise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=280107&mesg_id=280107

But it appears essential that a PRIVATIZATION/"voucherization" of Medicare, as Zeke Emanuel is proposing as a "White House adviser" ---- which would specifically ELIMINATE Medicare for future retirees, would be the poison pill for Single Payer that the insurance corporations so desire.

It appears the biggest threat to eventual Single Payer may be such a private-only voucher system.



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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:23 PM
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32. !
:dem:
Remove the age restrictions from MediCare.

Mandatory For Profit Insurance is NOT Health Care.
It IS a Republican SCAM.

Support a Democratic Plan...HR676

http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united_states_national_health_care_act_hr_676.php

Here is a list of the C0-Sponsors.
I have a BIG PROBLEM with DINOs who are NOT on this list.


Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 2/11/2009
Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 1/26/2009
Rep Berman, Howard L. - 1/26/2009
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. - 2/23/2009
Rep Brady, Robert A. - 2/11/2009
Rep Brown, Corrine - 3/3/2009
Rep Capuano, Michael E. - 2/23/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. - 1/26/2009
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/26/2009
Rep Cleaver, Emanuel - 2/23/2009
Rep Cohen, Steve - 1/26/2009
Rep Costello, Jerry F. - 2/3/2009
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 2/23/2009
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 1/26/2009
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 1/26/2009
Rep Doyle, Michael F. - 1/26/2009
Rep Edwards, Donna F. - 1/26/2009
Rep Ellison, Keith - 1/26/2009
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 1/26/2009
Rep Farr, Sam - 1/26/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 2/11/2009
Rep Filner, Bob - 2/11/2009
Rep Frank, Barney - 1/28/2009
Rep Green, Al - 2/23/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 1/26/2009
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 1/26/2009
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 2/23/2009
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 1/26/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. - 2/23/2009
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 2/11/2009
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/26/2009
Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. - 2/3/2009
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 1/26/2009
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 2/23/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. - 2/23/2009
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 1/26/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 1/26/2009
Rep Lee, Barbara - 1/26/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 2/23/2009
Rep Massa, Eric J. J. - 1/26/2009
Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/26/2009
Rep McGovern, James P. - 3/3/2009
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. - 1/26/2009
Rep Moore, Gwen - 2/11/2009
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 1/26/2009
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. - 1/26/2009
Rep Olver, John W. - 1/26/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. - 3/3/2009
Rep Pingree, Chellie - 1/26/2009
Rep Polis, Jared - 1/28/2009
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 2/23/2009
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 2/23/2009
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" - 2/23/2009
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. - 2/23/2009
Rep Tierney, John F. - 1/28/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. - 1/26/2009
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 2/23/2009
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 1/26/2009
Rep Welch, Peter - 2/23/2009
Rep Wexler, Robert - 2/11/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 1/26/2009
Rep Yarmuth, John A. - 2/23/2009
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:27 PM
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34. thanks
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:48 PM
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39. www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Let them know how you feel about it...or live with the consequences, knowing you just kept mum and hoped.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:19 PM
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40. I really think what needs to be done now is organization of mass civil disobedience on
the issue of healthcare, something on the scale of the strikes Gandhi organized against British rule in India. There are 46 million American citizens without healthcare—do you really think nearly all of them wouldn't get on board?

Imagine the ripple if 46 million Americans didn't show up to work for three or four days, and didn't buy anything for three or four days. You could shut this country DOWN. Maybe we could make it known that that was a taste of what might be in store if we don't get a national single-payer healthcare system. And mean it. Wouldn't it be great to be holding some power for once, instead of being the ones always getting pushed around?

Think about it...All you'd need to do would be to get it once—because they'd never be able to take it away once we had it...there'd be riots in the streets.

I know what a lot of you are probably thinking..."But Salguine...lots of people can't take off X-number of days from work." I know, it's not a perfect plan, but I'll bet if there was a chance it would have a serious effect, I'll bet a lot of people who would not have imagined being able to participate would suddenly make the time somehow. What it really comes down to is whether or not we want to saddle our children and grandchildren with the complete lack of health care. Aren't our kids worth making the effort for?

And keep this in mind...we aren't lacking a national healthcare system because it's too difficult or it can't be done. We've seen that it's easily doable and works well in every other civilized country in the western world. The reason we don't have it is because a handful of HMO and Big Pharma executives would no longer enjoy the champagne-and-caviar life. The entire citizenry of the United States is being made to suffer to keep a handful of rich pricks happy, and it goes on because we aren't mad enough.

Gandhi (again) famously stated that no one can take advantage of you without your consent.

They will not give us healthcare—we are going to have to TAKE IT.

Maybe we should start some kind of movement to get the first big "event" underway sometime this summer.

I'd be interested in others' thoughts. I'd start a thread on this, but I have no idea how to do that.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:56 PM
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43. A progressive has been invited. I found this in my email today from PNHP
Dear PNHP colleagues,

We have good news.

This afternoon we received word that Dr. Oliver Fein, president of Physicians for a National Health Program, has been invited to participate in tomorrow's White House summit on health care. He will therefore be joining Rep. John Conyers in the meeting as a strong advocate for a single-payer national health program.

Given this development, we are canceling the demonstration outside the White House that was planned for tomorrow.

While it remains true that the number of single-payer advocates in the summit will be few in number, we feel we have won an important victory and that demonstrative activity at the White House at this juncture is unnecessary.

Please continue to urge your members of Congress and President Obama to support single-payer national health insurance, the only fundamental solution to our health care crisis.

And thanks to everyone who called and e-mailed the White House about including the single-payer viewpoint at the summit - you helped make this victory happen!

Cordially,



Quentin Young, M.D.
National Coordinator


Physicians for a National Health Program
29 E Madison Suite 602, Chicago, IL 60602
Phone (312) 782-6006 | Fax: (312) 782-6007
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:11 PM
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44. Bad idea. The demonstration should go on as planned. You've been thrown
one measly bone. It was a PR invite. That's all.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:50 PM
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57. Conyers too, but I agree with you!!
The demonstration would help keep them paying attention to the people's wishes, and it could be turned into a rally of support!!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:42 PM
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45. Obama doesn't get it on healthcare; like the banks, healthcare can not
continue in its current form...doing nothing (which is essentially what Sebelius and her cronies will do) will create such a mess that it will drag down the economy and make Obama a one-term wonder. I really don't like the people he's surrounded himself...mainly his close circle of advisers who really don't seem to be educating him.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:45 PM
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48. Edwards favored a mix of singlepayer and private insurance companies
and competition between the two insurance methods. I thought Obama favored the same plan. Why would he then leave single payer advocates out of the planning and discussions? Should'a voted for Edwards in spite of his personal problems, I guess.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:51 PM
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49. I thought Obama did too. Dean certainly does. But Zeke Emanuel definitely does NOT.............


Here is a video of Dean talking about Single Payer, and about the hybrid mixture he favors:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=280107&mesg_id=280107



It's a shame Zeke Emanuel has been hired as a White House advisor, and Dean has not.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 03:58 PM
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67. I e-mailed the White House this morning stating that I believe that
snubbing Howard Dean on health care is a terrible mistake. Obama included Blue Shield and other insurers -- the guys who caused the breakdown in our system by privatizing hospitals and raising healthcare costs in order to fill their own pockets. Why couldn't he include a personable, articulate, respected spokesperson for single payer like Howard Dean? Is Obama afraid of Howard Dean? Is Obama jealous of Howard Dean? And if so, how does Obama feel about the many, many activists who strongly support Howard Dean?
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:33 PM
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53. Time and again we've heard that HEALTHCARE is at the heart of economic recovery.
We have heard how it's costs have destroyed businesses and led to the deaths of the uninsured. We have heard that if we wait to fix it, then our economy will not be able to get on track and stay on track.

And we heard this from Obama.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:49 PM
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56. K & R, in case I missed it here, Conyers will be there! nt
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:57 PM
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58. Very excellent post. Thank you very much! Let's keep single
payer up front in the discussion!
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:09 PM
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59. Howard Dean has the answer: plain and simple.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:47 PM
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60. Yep-Obama really kicked those lobbyists to the curb didn't he?
:eyes:

The DENIAL around here is mind blowing. :puke:
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:13 AM
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61. Health Care for Everyone!
Everyone who can afford it that is. I have to wonder what they plan to do with Medicaid. Maybe offer it on Wednesdays only?

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:35 PM
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64. HR 676 provides healthcare for all...
no copays, no limits, low drug costs, choice of doctors, everything!! Medicaid for everyone!! push for it with your congresspeople!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:28 PM
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63. They knew this was one of the foremost issues they had to control . . . and here we are!!!
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