Sonograms, ‘child porn’ in North Dakota

[Jackpine Radical]

http://www.dailytargum.com/opinions/sonograms%252C_child_porn-1.1594062

Depending on the situation, there is excitement surrounding a woman finding out that she is with child. A sonogram, or picture of the fetus, is taken when a pregnant woman has her first visit to the doctor. These pictures are usually found on the refrigerator of a house, framed on a desk in an office or more commonly posted on a personal profile on the Internet. These practices have become a norm when finding out that your family is expecting a new addition. Pregnant women in North Dakota may now not be able to celebrate and show off their unborn baby the way society has traditionally accepted.

The North Dakota House of Representatives passed a bill that states a picture of a fertilized egg is now considered child pornography. It is now going to the North Dakota Senate to be voted on. This bill, if passed, will make it possible for women and men who have a sonogram as their profile picture on Facebook to be arrested and put on a sex offender registry list. This law stems from the one that was recently passed declaring that a fertilized egg now has full human rights. Sen. Dan Ruby, R.- Minot, passed both laws and has been very vocal in trying to pass laws that ban abortion. There is also an extension of these laws that would create more worry for women besides illegal abortions. There may be a clause in the bill that would rule women who have miscarriages as criminally negligent.

These laws have been made with out being thought completely through about how they will affect the women of North Dakota. Besides taking away their freedom of choice, they are punishing them for something they cannot even control. Women do not wish for miscarriages, and many are emotionally distressed when they have one. Adding criminal charges to their upset is completely ridiculous. Trying to make a sonogram classified as child porn is creating something out of nothing. All this law will do is put innocent, proud parents who are expecting on a sex offender list with those who molest children and rape innocent people. This is opening a can of worms bigger than they expect: All science books would have to be changed because of pictures of unborn children pictured to teach biology, genetics and health.

[Richard D]

1. Please . . .

. . . tell me this is satire.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. This. Is. Not. Satire.

Furthermore, I would think that the mere act of making the sonogram would constitute creating child porn.

[Iris]

2. even wishing for a miscarriage would not make it happen

this is absurd. Insane. Who the hell lives in SD?

[SoCalDem]

56. Thats why so many teens end up 5-6 months pregnant before they finally "tell Mom & Dad"

"Wishing it away" is about as effective as "Purity Rings"..

[tridim]

3. I refuse to believe this article isn't from The Onion.

People are INSANE.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Onion--North Dakota--what's the difference?

Those people go without a hat in the winter too much. Cerebral frostbite.

[pnutbutr]

5. OMG that's the dumbest....

Can we just line up and slap some sense into these people?

[ozu]

6. lol?

Pretty please?

[hobbit709]

8. What's in the water up there?

[Kalyke]

37. Ice.

[Taverner]

9. A sneaky dishonest back door abortion ban

[Jackpine Radical]

11. Yes, of course. That's what this is all about.

[Ms. Toad]

10. This makes no sense to me...

Aren't the people agitating for these laws the same ones who parade pictures of aborted fetuses around abortion clinics? Fertilized egg - child porn; picture of dismembered fetus doesn't?

[Jackpine Radical]

16. VERY interesting point.

I'd love to see a lot of their people go straight from the abortion clinic to jail on child porn charges.

[myrna minx]

36. Excellent point. n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. Good! And then maybe they'll finally start arresting the delivery doctors for molestation!

The doctors and nurses in delivery should have their eyes sewn shut so that they cannot be witness to the pornography of a naked baby, nor to continue to get their rocks off looking at a naked woman.

And they shouldn't be allowed to touch the baby, either.

Neither should the mother - the baby should be kept in a box until it is old enough to wipe and clean itself.

[readmoreoften]

62. Excellent point. I always thought the obstetrician was giving me "bad touches" on the way out

of the uterus. Then the bastard SLAPPED ME. A babies 1st experience should not be some kinky S&M fantasy. :crazy:

[pnwmom]

13. This isn't literally true, you know.

What IS true is that Dan Ruby put forth a law saying that a fertilized egg is a human.
He helped pass another law about child pornography.

He didn't write a law saying that a picture of an egg now constitutes child porn. That's a conclusion others have drawn.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. This seemed like a pretty explicit statement to me:

The North Dakota House of Representatives passed a bill that states a picture of a fertilized egg is now considered child pornography. It is now going to the North Dakota Senate to be voted on. This bill, if passed, will make it possible for women and men who have a sonogram as their profile picture on Facebook to be arrested and put on a sex offender registry list.

[pnwmom]

29. I agree. But it was copied from a satire site.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/politicians/203183.html

At least, according to Google. (See how the UK site is labeled "satire"?)

http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=dan+Ruby+sonogram+dakota

[Jackpine Radical]

45. It's pretty clear that my original source got sucked in

and then pulled me in. I found my link on a listserve of attorneys and psychologists involved in sex offender cases. They all obviously took it for Gospel too.

[RaleighNCDUer]

30. A logical conclusion drawn from the wording of those laws. nt

[MilesColtrane]

55. Poor reading comprehension

It's what makes the internet great.

[Mrs. Overall]

14. I betcha it's still fine in ND to pass around pics of a naked man being nailed to a piece of wood.

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Well, not ENTIRELY naked.

That would be indecent.

[Marrah_G]

15. Okay, I am really ready for New England or the North East at least, to secede from this union

Thank you to those who pointed out my initial spelling error. I often hit enter without looking at what I've typed.

[Common Sense Party]

22. Succeed?

Fail.

[Eryemil]

24. Haha.

:bounce:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. perhaps

to secede would be success ? :shrug: ;)

[Marrah_G]

40. Sorry was typing quickly and not paying attention - Secede

Thank you for pointing out my error

[SidneyCarton]

27. Better idea. Let's just expel ND from the union.

Who would miss it?

Or we could build a wall around it, and dump all the republicans there, giving them their wacko fundie utopia, and getting them out of our hair. (Of course we'd have to remove the nukes first, but it could be done.)

[jmowreader]

50. I'd rather give them Florida

It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to build the requisite border fence across Florida than around ND. Plus, there are enough alligators in Florida to regulate the population levels of fundies.

[SidneyCarton]

51. Good point, and with global warming, the problem solves itself.

[Jamastiene]

60. Yeah, but the poor wildlife doesn't deserve indigestion like that.

We should really save the animals first. They'd kill 'em all outside of two weeks if we didn't.

Better yet, let's give them Alcatraz instead. The rest of the world would see it as a public service and leave us alone. There would be no more threat to us from the rest of the world. So, we could redirect all our nukes there to keep them in line in case any of them tried to swim for it.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

47. You get the pitchforks and torches, I'll get on the horn with the other states.

Maybe New York will want in, too.

[Cerridwen]

18. Unintended consequences. Here's the link to a paper I found noting what could be the

unintended consequences of the poorly thought out and poorly worded, ND abortion ban bill.

unintended consequences

I have no idea who paperlined.org is other than what's on their whois page.

[Incitatus]

20. WTF? Is this real?

I can't find any other sources for this.

[benld74]

21. WHAT THE HELL, WTF, HAs the COLD gotten to their brains?

[Bill McBlueState]

23. my guess is

that the author is pointing out an obvious unintended consequence of the "fetus is a person" bill. I don't think there is a bill explicitly classifying sonograms as child porn.

[Tarc]

25. Is this story appearing anywhere else besides a college newspaper?

I'd also like to see the text of the bill itself. I'm looking thrrough recent abortion-related legislation there (http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/subject-index/si0002.html) but so far have not found one sponsored by this Dan Ruby person.

[Incitatus]

28. The bill says nothing about pornography

The writer is suggesting that since a fetus would legally be considered a human under the bill with all rights of a human, then technically a nude picture of it would be child porn.



Rep. Dan Ruby introduced the "Personhood" bill, which affirms the rights of pre-born humans and states: "For purposes of interpretation of the constitution and laws of North Dakota, it is the intent of the legislative assembly that an individual, a person, when the context indicates that a reference to an individual is intended, or a human being includes any organism with the genome of homo sapiens."

http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/22733892.html


The actual bill:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:GCEtC_9FwKQJ:www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/bill-text/JRDS0200.pdf+site:www.legis.nd.gov+north+dakota+house+personhood&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[pnwmom]

33. Right. I can't imagine any judge interpreting it that way.

Even a North Dakota judge.

[pnwmom]

32. You won't find this bill. The OP takes its line from a satire site based in the UK.

[Incitatus]

34. here - HB 1572

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:GCEtC_9FwKQJ:www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/bill-text/JRDS0200.pdf+site:www.legis.nd.gov+north+dakota+house+personhood&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[pnwmom]

42. And you think the bill is saying that an egg is a minor engaged in sexual conduct?

Seems like a stretch to me.

I'm more interested in the bill's making any fetus that happens to pass through the state a naturalized citizen.

Would a fly-over count? Think how many children-of-illegals could run for President some day!

[Incitatus]

43. No, I don't.

[ieoeja]

31. Ha! Anti-choice crowd didn't think things through (again).

The North Dakota bill that would grant fertilized eggs equal rights to human beings means that a sonogram would be a picture of a naked minor. Hence, child pornography.

As another poster mentioned above, the abortion protestors with their mangled fetus pics would all be arrested for distribution of snuff child porn.

Thank you North Dakota for demonstrating how ridiculous the anti-choicers positions are.

[AnnieBW]

35. I guess things in ND are going really well

The economy is just booming, schools are great, and everyone is happy. That way, the legislature can waste their time taking women's rights away. :sarcasm:

[Kalyke]

38. And DUers think the South is insane.

:crazy:

[spanone]

39. this is why our nation needs to spend more on education

there are some dumb mofo's out there

[rug]

41. This should be illegal.

[Javaman]

44. Shouldn't that be fetal porn? nt

[chrisa]

46. This has to be fake.

I refuse to believe any legislator is this insane or stupid.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

48. That's where you and I differ.

I have almost no faith in politicians.

But, yeah, I'm pretty skeptical, still.

[jmowreader]

49. I WANT this to happen!

Don't put me on ignore. I have perfectly logical reasons to be this way.

This is bullshit. We know it's bullshit. Most fundamentalists know it's bullshit. The people who have "JONSMOM" license plates definitely know it's bullshit, and the entire legal profession knows it's bullshit. I can't imagine a pervert in the world who would get turned on by a sonogram.

So this is what I want to happen: I want there to be a massive Child Porn raid on a doctor's office. I want them to bust the doctors and nurses for aiding and abetting, the sonographers for producing child porn and the patients for having it done. I want a huge frog march. Handcuffs and all. I want these thirty or forty people to stand before a judge and tell him they were arrested for sonography. It will take about two seconds for the judge to nullify the law and send those nice people home, records expunged. And then I want it on the front page of every newspaper, the front cover of Time Magazine and the top of the hour on every tv news program in the country.

Because even if a fertilized egg has full human rights, taking a nude picture of one without sexual intent is not child porn--if it was, my mom with all those damn pictures of us in the bathtub is in for a lot of very hard time.

[8 track mind]

54. Well it's a slippery slope

First it's sonograms and then Snoop Dogg will release "Fertilized Eggs Gone Wild! Doggy Style!"

:rofl:

[sammythecat]

52. This thread is useless without pics

At least toss us an X-ray or something

[WillyT]

53. What If We Put A Fig Leaf Over The Fetus's "Privates" ???

Or maybe use some fabric for cover???



:shrug:

:banghead:

:crazy:

[geardaddy]

57. Then maybe they'll ban

those disgusting inflammatory pictures of aborted fetuses they plaster on trucks and drive around as child porn.

These people make me sick.

[Jamastiene]

58. It has to be some form of brain damage that causes people

to think like that. They are fucking idiots.

[Occam Bandage]

59. Satire? In my DU?

It's more likely than you think.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

61. He's pretty canny, this guy.

You watch. Next, he will go after amniocentesis. His real aim is to completely control women's reproductive systems.

There is no way this will stand up in court. None.