Fundie logic: Gays and lesbians who want to adopt children are fulfilling 'selfish desires'

[marmar]

:wtf: A self-PWNed fundie? :crazy:



from the fair and balanced OneNewsNow, "news" service of the AFA:



'Gay' adoption battle heats up in Florida
Charlie Butts - OneNewsNow - 3/18/2009 5:30:00 AM


The battle by homosexuals to legally adopt children has opened on another front in Florida.

Democratic State Senator Nan Rich, co-chair of the Senate Children, Families and Elder Affairs Committee, has filed a bill to repeal the 1977 law that bans homosexual adoption and a second bill to give judges the authority to determine adoptions based exclusively on what she calls the best interests the children. Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel disagrees with the measures.

"The actions here by Senator Nan Rich are clearly without merit, and she has the audacity to say that she is considering what is in the best interest of children. Well that defies logic, reason, and science," he contends. "Frankly the studies have shown clearly that it is in the best interest of children to have a mother and a father."

Barber believes he has discovered the Rich's true intentions. "What she and her homosexual activist supporters are considering is what is in the best interest of homosexual activists," he adds. "They are more concerned with their own selfish desires because they want to adopt children."

Liberty Counsel has a role in a case winding through the courts that would overturn the law.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=454806 (if Rick-rolled, this journalistic masterpiece is in the onenewsnow area of www.afa.net )

[Lyric]

1. Adoption is such a selfish act.

I think we should make it illegal for fundies to adopt children--we want to keep them from sinfully indulging their selfish desires for parenthood, right? Since they seem to think that it's gravy to use the government to regulate "sin," I'm sure they'll agree that this is in their own best interests.

[Iris]

2. yeah, and every straight person who has or adopts a child does it for selfless reasons

what a bunch of bull-shit

[Lex]

3. Yes, giving kids a good home is such a SELFISH act.

:wtf: Now I've heard it all.

[foxfeet]

4. These are the same people who tell straight couples that NOT having children is "selfish."

As if the fundie religious/political agenda isn't the living definition of selfish.

[EmilyAnne]

11. Jinx! I just wrote the same thing. I "borrowed" a fundy written book that my mother kept on her

bedside table for many years. Its called "In the Hands of a Woman." It is both hilarious and frightening and many drunken college nights would involve my animated readings of it to my friends who were so fascinated with the crazy way I was raised. I had a lot of friends in the Womens' Studies program who would borrow the book from time to time. It became famous in my circle of friends and years later, we can still quote directly from it.

One chapter deals with the selfish women who deprive God of his rightful dominion over her womb and how the should be dealt with by the church. The writer argues that IF and only If there is a true biological reason for her to not carry children, she should be pitied rather than scorned (how sweet), but that she should always explain her circumstances to the people she meets so no one gets the wrong idea and decides to follow her role and choose to remain childless. She should be careful to not seem too happy about it and shouldn't spend too much time worrying about her appearance and going on fancy vacations or engaging in a lot of leisure activities lest she glamorize childlessness! Bat shit lunacy. I was raised by a woman who believed in this bullshit for most of her life and I still deal with a sort of internalized misogyny that has been very difficult to own up to. I want to have a child, but sometimes I am afraid to have a daughter because I may subconsciously view her as inferior to males. It scares me.

[foxfeet]

16. So you're in recovery. Sounds like you've got a handle on it.

You'd probably be a great mom given your self awareness.:hi:

[EmilyAnne]

25. You're sweet! Thanks!

:hi:

[EmilyAnne]

5. Because love is selfish? Fuck these people. Seriously. That's all I can say about them. I have

visited orphanages in Russia, Mexico and Guatemala. These children need love. I don't care who it comes from. Anyone who would begrudge those offering love to these children is extremely cruel.

And how is taking responsibility for a child selfish when its a very costly duty? Not only financially costly, but emotionally and physically. Someone who takes that level of long term responsibility on is most definitely not selfish.

Are these the same idiots who will see a woman who chooses to remain childless as selfish? I think so.

Once again, fuck them and their faux concern for non-embryos.

[Mr. Ected]

6. It's Also Selfish to Force A Woman To Carry That Child to Term

Stupid fundies don't even see their own hypocrisy in these matters.

[nichomachus]

7. Everyone has children for selfish reasons

Because it makes them feel better -- they want to carry on the family name -- they like kids -- whatever.

[nichomachus]

9. Actually, being Christian is a selfish act

Why do you join the Christian church -- to get into heaven. It doesn't get any more selfish than that -- all you're thinking of is yourself and your future.

[RedCappedBandit]

8. Well, these are the pros on greed.

:sarcasm:

[and-justice-for-all]

10. This only shows that they, the xtian fascist, are in fact the selvish ones

They seem to think that they and the straight folks are the only ones to be able to adopt. So, who is the really selfvish group here? Need I remind them about the whole marriage thing?? Who are the ones who think that they are the only ones entitled to marriage???

[XemaSab]

12. Yeah, my friends adopted two

African-American toddlers who were born addicted to crack because THEY are the selfish ones. :eyes:

(And these two girls were considered virtually unadoptable by LA County, and that's how they let two white gay guys adopt them 10 years ago.)

[Starry Messenger]

13. So now gay people are orphan hoggers.

:banghead:

[Echo In Light]

14. "Fundie Logic" = oxymoron, focus on the moron

[BlooInBloo]

15. I wonder how many parent-less little kids would mind having a couple of parents who love them?

[8 track mind]

20. i would say 99.99999999999% n/t

[Glorfindel]

17. Are there no orphanages? To quote Ebenezer Scrooge:

'Are there no prisons?"

'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'


'Both very busy, sir.'

'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'


(I added the "orphanages" to the conversation.) Everyone knows children are better off in orphanages and prisons than they would be if they were adopted by *gasp!" PRE-verts. Selfish PRE-verts!

[mitchum]

18. To my mind,"Glory in this miracle which is an extension of ME!"...

is the selfish act

[8 track mind]

19. Oh geeze.....

Hmmm...... Gay and Lesbian couples want to adopt unwanted and unloved children and give them a happy home. Yeah that's selfish alright.

[canetoad]

21. When you see a sentence starting with

'Frankly..', nine times out of ten whatever follows is bullshit.

[Arkansas Granny]

22. How selfish is it to deny a child loving parents just because of another person's

misguided principles?

I have posted this link before which was published in the Official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, but I think it should be posted agains as it contains a lot of good info.

The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws on the Health and Well-being of Children

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349
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It's a long article, but here are a few excerpts:

Six percent of same-gender couples are raising children who have been adopted compared with 5.1% of heterosexual married couples and 2.6% of unmarried heterosexual couples.

Eight percent of same-gender parents are raising children with special health care needs, compared with 8.3% of heterosexual unmarried parents and 5.8% of heterosexual married parents.

Of same-gender partners raising children, 41.1% have been together for 5 years or longer, whereas 19.9% of heterosexual unmarried couples have stayed together for that duration.


<snip>

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.

<snip>

Abstract: A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children's optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes.

[Mollis]

23. Great link.

It looks like a great study. Thanks for posting it.

[fascisthunter]

24. Ya know... some say the same about straights who procreate

and there are many neglected children to back up that assumption. This is nothing more than a cheap way of publicly trying degrade something they all obsess over... other's privacy, sexuality. Think about it... these right wing fundies who harp on gays ad nauseum are not ok in the head.

[BirminghamExaminer]

26. Let's face it, having kids IS selfish, for EVERYONE

We have kids to pass on our genes and our memories and so someone will come and see us when we're old. So?

Gay, straight, alien, whatever. It's human nature.

[BirminghamExaminer]

27. My son is gay. I hope he adopts. I want grandchildren. I am selfish.

[8 track mind]

29. and i hope you get them and you properly spoil them!! :) n/t

[burning rain]

28. Probably those most vehement...

in demonizing lesbi / gay would-be adoptive parents are the conservative Christian homeschooling contingent. Some projection going on there; conservative Christian homeschoolers are absolutely obsessed with complete ownership and control of their kids and isolating them from any other influence or outside information source.