Sci Fi equals 24 hour Taps, seriously, I would like to know just

[HysteryDiagnosis]

how many hours a day these dudes are burning up the Sci Fi channel with their infrared cameras, spooky sets and wild imaginations.

REMEDY: Someone somewhere, get similar equipment, go out into an open field, somewhere anywhere and get the same sounds, apparitions and whatnot. Then we will see that the stuff they are recording is ALL AROUND US and that there is no need to find some castle, house, warehouse etc for a backdrop, no need for the theatrics, no need for nonstop deer in the headlights shots of people afraid to be where they are.

It would seem to me that this would eliminate the need for Sci Fi to have this stuff on the tube for several hours each and every day. At this point I would welcome the wrestling, at least I can mute that and make up my own comic script. Does anyone else find this constant barrage of dark corners and Casper filled hallways a tad over the top??

[DainBramaged]

1. You're talking about that silly Ghost Chaser crap right?

They kill off Atlantis, and anything worth watching, and lose viewers like myself to reruns of M$NoBodyCares night time shows.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Yes I am. I would love to hire a crew with similar equipment to

prove that you will get strange readings anywhere just to take the so called mystique out of the equation, anything to get something worth watching put on instead.

[skooooo]

2. Hmm..

Well I kind of like that spooky stuff, but I see why you would think it's over done. I loooove getting scared! BOO!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Be scared then...

[skooooo]

11. Yikes!

We have ghost stories in my family, so I believe sometimes they do find things that are paranormal.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. Anyone named "Annie"? Rose Red, Stephen King you bad bad

man.

[skooooo]

15. Nope..

...but shadow people and moving objects happen.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

19. Stop it. Stop it right now. I have to go to bed in a few. n/t

[skooooo]

24. Bwahahahahahaha

Don't worry. By the time your an adult, you're pretty much oblivious to stuff. My sister saw some things when she was a child, and I believe what she tells me.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

25. I read a book when I was quite young regarding paranormal

happenings... a concept introduced was that moving objects in a house followed circular arcs that had a particular family member as the epicenter. They were trying to say that some events are the projection of someone's mind.

[skooooo]

27. Hmm..

..interesting. Who knows why stuff like that happens. I guess thinking it's paranormal is just one possiblity. There's a lot about science we don't understand.

[The Straight Story]

4. As someone who wants to see 'ghost hunting' as more serious it does bug me

These guys go into a place for a few hours to record things based on events that occurred over a period of years and make a judgment based on that small time they were there.

A serious investigation would use several brands of voice recorders placed in the same room at different spots, same with cameras/etc, over a long period of time. Followed by an investigation of the data, it's points of origins, and so on.

They also spend too much time on the entertainment aspect (so and so left, X is upset over Y, and the list goes on).

If they are going to investigate do it right, be serious about it, and cut out all the stupid BS they seem to focus on.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Exactly, it is the McDonalds of paranormal research. A fish sandwich

with cheese, minus the fish.

[dysfunctional press]

66. as someone who does not believe in ghosts, holy or otherwise...

i wouldn't be able to take it seriously no matter what they did.

[alphafemale]

6. Those shows are about the dumbest things I've ever seen.

Especially the shots where the camera is strapped to their waist pointed up at their stupid, frightened face as they run away because they saw a shadow.

"I can feel an evil presence!"
"It's overpowering me!"

"RUN AWAY!"
"RUNAWAY!"

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. Yeah.... the groundhog sees his shadow (sometimes) but you don't

see him running away all scaredy cat and all.

[poverlay]

8. That stuff is terrible. The commercials alone(I never watch the show.) drive me batshit crazy

when I'm trying to watch something with some authentic intelligence and entertainment value. The wrestling and some of these other moronic things are intended to suck in the "reality" fans. Which makes no sense for a sci/fi channel, but hey, why make sense when there's money to be made?

[VenusRising]

9. It's infinitely better than Paranormal State.

At least the guys in TAPS don't think that the Arch Demon Belial is after them. :eyes:

[skooooo]

14. Yeah, no kidding. All the Catholic stuff..

...too is overdone. Still, I guess the Catholic church has a history "dealing" with these "things," it's not much of a stretch that they'd make a show about it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. The obsession with demons and bringing in priests/pastors to rid the homes

is enough to make me barf. I happen to like TAPS.

[skooooo]

26. What about Chip Coffee..

...and that older woman Loraine Warren? I kind of like them. Chip is also on that show "Psychic Children." Chip's my favorite tho.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. Chip appears to be very gifted. :)

[VenusRising]

33. I like TAPS, too.

I think they are at least looking to find answers and not just shadows and spookies around every turn.

I think they have done a lot for the field. There are far less people claiming that their house is full of spirits because they stirred up dust before snapping a photo.

[Hugabear]

38. Are you kidding me?

They're a bunch of hacks, con artists. They've been busted so many times faking evidence, it's a wonder they still even have a show. They're using equipment for stuff that it was never meant to be used for. Hello, using EMF detectors to "prove" that a ghost is present? All that means is that you're getting magnetic fluctuations! Are these idiots aware that the entire planet is surrounded by a giant magnetic field? Of course they do, but they peddle this bullshit to their audiences, who then turn around and spend hundreds of dollars to go see them at appearances around the country, for the chance to follow them around in some "haunted" place - which they are no doubt kicking some money back to the property owner.

It's all a giant scam.

[VenusRising]

44. The EMFs aren't to "prove" that a ghost is present.

They are used to detect changes in the electromagnetic field. They have used it to actually let people know that they have beyond safe levels of electricity flowing in their house or business that has contributed to their so-called hauntings. I find it interesting that you say they fake evidence, because 9 times out of 10, they end up saying that a place isn't haunted or that they don't have enough evidence.

It's a hell of a lot more honest than someone saying that everything is caused by the devil and bring in psychics and priests to do cleansings and exorcisms.

[Hugabear]

46. I've seen them use it to "communicate" with ghosts

They do just enough "debunking" so that they can claim that they are legit. But fact is they still fake evidence. I used to watch the show until I started catching on to their tricks. Everytime you see something "move", it's always just off to the side - you can see the object, but not everything around it.

Once again, ghosts do not exist, Ergo, there can never be any legitimate "evidence". Their primary goal is to put together an entertaining television show, and to raise money from their appearances. They do that very well by selling this paranormal bullshit.

[VenusRising]

50. So, because you believe that ghosts do not exist

it's all manufactured bullshit.

Gotcha.

[Hugabear]

53. What part of 'they fake their evidence' do you not understand?

They have a TV show to keep on the air. The producers aren't going to keep renewing the show if they don't produce results. There have been numerous times where they have been busted for faking evidence. Do a YouTube search for their recent live Fort Delaware investigation. There's a lot more of that out there also.

[VenusRising]

57. The battle rages on between believers and non believers.

I didn't find anything on them faking evidence other than a bunch of people on the internet opining about how they are sure it's faked.

As far as Fort Delaware is concerned, there are too many variables during a live shoot that there can't possibly be any kind of decent investigation done. There are too many extra people around in the dark. Not to mention that everyone is being pulled in 1,000 different directions because of the "Alert the Ghost Hunters" button on the website. The Halloween Live special is too hyped up. They should just go and investigate like they normally do with no wrestlers, no alert buttons, just investigation.

[Hugabear]

58. "Non believer" - now there's a really nice term

Has almost a religious connotation to it!

No, I'm a skeptic. If you want me to believe that there are ghosts out there, bring me proof. There is not one shred of evidence that would stand up to scientific scrutiny. "Personal experiences" don't count for anything. As I mentioned to another poster below, there are lots of people who genuinely believe that they have had a "personal experience" with the Jersey Devil. Plenty more honestly believe that they've had encounters with Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. And even more people are convinced that they've seen alien spacecraft. What do all of these examples have in common? There is not one single shred of proof to back ANY of them up whatsoever. People try to make sense out of things they can't understand.

[VenusRising]

60. Sorry, I'm not arguing with you.

You have your beliefs and no is going to change them. Just because you don't believe doesn't negate that other people have had experiences that are real. People try to explain away things they can't understand, either. The blade cuts both ways.

[Connie_Corleone]

42. I fell asleep on Paranormal State the first and only time I watched it.

[Lucian]

61. Oh god...

I was watching "Paranormal State" a year or so ago, but I quit watching it after Ryan Buell planted some sort of coin or something equally as stupid in the ground to rid a place of "demons" and said a prayer. I was enough to make me barf.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. As a regular SciFi channel fan

I spend wednesday nights watching MSNBC - Countdown and Rachel, then switch over to Daily Show.

SciFi loses me with this crap (though it doesn't piss me off as much as the fake psychic shows they used to show - Jon Edwards, or whatever his name was, and that crazy woman whose name I have thankfully blocked.

[The Straight Story]

16. Do you think the show is crap or the idea of it? (nt)

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. Yes.

I don't buy for a second that those guys are real psychic investigators. They just like hiding around corners and going 'BOO!' when the camera follows them.

Of course, I am a complete skeptic. I haven't been afeerd of ghosts since I was 10. There is not a haunted house in the world that I would be afraid to stay in. I'd buy the Amityville house without a second thought, if I wanted to live there and it was on the market.

I think there might such things as unexplained phenomona, but in the end, every that is unexplained will be explained. And you'll never see them on THIS show.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. My take is, movies like Red Planet, Time Machine, War of the Worlds,

and a million others have royalty payments to be made when aired. I'd like to see a comparison of the royalties they pay Taps vs some of the quality movies they could be airing.

[qazplm]

18. Stargate, BSG

great scifi, gone because it is too expensive, replaced by utter crap.

Scifi is such a great concept but lately they break your heart because you know that as soon as a series comes along that is good and popular, it will quickly get too expensive for them and they will ax it.

They did stick with SG1 for a long time but that was before the current group came along which has killed three great series in the space of two years.

[DainBramaged]

21. I agree, I looked forward to Friday nights on SciFi

now, I play Warhammer AOR on line.

[The Straight Story]

22. The movies on sci-fi blow chunks though

Seriously, I am an idiot and I could write better and act better than the crap they peddle :) I watch them for the laughs.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

28. They put on what could never even approach the level of a B

movie... I think they appeal to the brain dead side of us, well, me.

[The Straight Story]

31. I had high hopes for them at one time

But then I grew up reading Issac Asimov's sci-fi mag, Roger Zelany, et al and I suppose I expected a channel on TV devoted to sci-fi would equal those folks :)

I hope to god they never do a Chronicles of Amber movie. If they do a series it might be good (they seem to do ok on those).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. I enjoy Ghost Hunters, and Sci Fi runs it a lot on Wednesdays because they have a wide

audience.

[The Straight Story]

29. I enjoy the idea, but the execution sucks

I just can't take them as being serious investigators.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

39. Check out N.I.G.H on Youtube It's out of Northern Ireland. There are six episodes - link

to playlist

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0464DBE180138C8F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

EnJoy!

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. I like it too

[coyotespaw]

32. Well, they could always rerun ECW

on Wednesdays.

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. Sci fi channel sucks: = ghost shows, wrestling and gargoyle movies

Where's the sci fi in that?

[Hugabear]

48. If you want Sci-Fi, you need to watch the History Channel

That's where you'll find your shows on UFOs, Nazi zombies, Bigfoot, etc.

[Marr]

36. I can't stand these kook shows. If they had a Skeptical Inquirer type show, however--

I'd tune in every week. Call it Skeptical Inquiry. They could look at these spectacular claims objectively and openly label them bullshit when warranted.

[Hugabear]

56. Or perhaps a show to bust out these phony "ghostbusters"

Set up fake haunted houses around the country, give them a morbid history, and watch the "ghost hunters" come up with all sorts of evidence. Then tell them that the house is new, the back story was made up, and tell them that they've just been busted on TV.

[Hugabear]

37. They should be charged with criminal fraud

Anybody who peddles this paranormal bullshit for financial gain should be charged with fraud. They're deliberately lying to their audience, conning their fans into shelling out hundreds of dollars to go investigate with them at special appearances, etc.

Anybody who believes this ghost shit is an absolute idiot.

[Connie_Corleone]

41. Ghost hunters only comes on Wednesday nights.

I don't have a problem with Ghost hunters. 90% of the time, they debunk the places they investigate.

Most Haunted on the Travel Channel is another story. In fact, your description sounds more like Most Haunted than Ghost hunters.

Most Haunted is nothing but pure comedy. You can tell they're making those sounds and moving things around. People are always screaming and acting like some spirit just entered their body. It's hilarious.

[Hugabear]

43. Ghost Hunters has been exposed as a fake many times

They fake a lot of their "evidence", and the stuff that they don't fake they exaggerate or misinterpret it.

There is NO such thing as ghosts, poltergeists, spirits, or any other paranormal stuff. Therefore, any evidence they gather is bullshit.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. In your opinion they don't exist. IMO they do and I've had experiences that have

proven it to me.

[Hugabear]

49. People have "experienced" the Jersey Devil and dinosaurs in the Congo as well

Whatever it was you experienced, there's a natural explanation for it, even if you don't quite know what it is. There are people who will swear up and down that they have seen the Jersey Devil. They are extremely sincere in their belief, they are convinced they are telling the truth. Does that mean there is a mythological creature running around the Pine Barrens?

And yes, TAPS does fake their evidence. They've been busted doing this over and over.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. IMO there is a natural reason for my experiences and that's because I find that a

multidimensional universe is perfectly natural. I know what I experienced was real. Period. I'm not debating you on your beliefs and would appreciate it if you would be respectful enough not to debate or question or rationalize mine.

[Hugabear]

59. Or it could also be that you just think you saw or experienced something

It's been well documented that there are certain natural phenomena that can cause people to experience hallucinations. I've seen specials where they take volunteers and subject them to certain stimuli. Afterwards, these subjects would describe feelings of dread, seeing ghosts, shadows, UFOs, alien abductions, etc. For these subjects, these experiences were very real, their "memories" of these experiences were quite vivid.

And yes, I'm quite aware of the multidimensional theory, and parallel universe theory. But it doesn't quite work the way you think it does. The extra dimensions within our universe exist at a sub-atomic level, where you start getting into quantum physics. As for parallel universes, they may very well exist, but they don't interact with our own universe. Sorry, Sliders was a great show to watch, but it's not quite how it works.

And I'm not "debating" your experience, I'm just offering you an alternate explanation. You've given me an explanation for which there is absolutely no proof whatsoever. I have given you an explanation which has been observed under carefully crafted laboratory conditions, and can be replicated.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

65. It's entirely possible that 2012 will bring us further understanding

regarding dimensional overlap/interaction... as for the ghosts, they could be coming from somewhere just beyond the horizon...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_(radio)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

76. It was something I truly experienced. I also have tangible proof. As to careful observation in lab

conditions. And how precisely do you intend to get spirits/ghosts to cooperate? ROFLMAO!

I know your intentions are good but when I said respect my views, I meant just that. I have no desire to change yours. Period.

Wishing you a lovely day!
Peace,
Ommmmmmmmmmm

[4lbs]

51. Have you ruled out the effects of ELF in the perception of experiencing ghosts?

n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. EMF was not a factor and no, I didn't see elves! lol!

[Lucian]

62. You have any proof ghosts don't exist?

No...didn't think so.

Why are you replying to everyone, spouting "ghost don't exist! you're wrong!"? Makes you look like an asshole, IMO.

BTW, I'm not going to argue with you about the legitimacy of "Ghost Hunters".

[Hugabear]

71. If you're making the claim, then it's up to YOU to provide the proof.

Do not make ooga-booga claims, and then when called on it, turn around and demand proof of their absence.

Prove that there aren't 20-foot invisible demons walking around the planet. Can you do that?

[spoony]

68. In other words you began with a conclusion and evaluate evidence thusly

Not very scientific of you. I understand, of course, since that's really the only option available to you (and it must be your only card as you've used it exclusively in this thread), but still quite disingenuous.

[truebrit71]

73. So say you... I disagree with you from my own personal experiences...

...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. Most Haunted is pure entertainment!

[comrade snarky]

55. I love when they wander around a basement

With an EM field detector and get all excited when they find one over by the freakin breaker box! I'd love to see them "test" a house with no history of ghostly activity cause they'd find the same EM fields everywhere they go. That's not gonna happen on a show made to pander to the credulous of course.

Can someone explain why a ghost is electromagnetic anyway?
That seemed to happen right about the same time hand held detectors got cheap. Coincidence I'm sure. :evilgrin:

[Lucian]

63. It's better than ECW and crappy sci-fi movies.

At least it's entertaining.

[comrade snarky]

64. Aw common...

Mansquito! It's a man and/i] a mosquito.

The possibilities are near infinite!

[PVnRT]

67. Don't forget Atomic Twister

[rolltideroll]

69. They need to hire this guy...

[tom_paine]

70. One of the best scams around. What a chill and easy job!

In a world full of Con Games, this is amongthe very best.

And just think if it was US getting paid for nothing more than pretending to be scared shitless every night and running around like a moron?

Would ANYONE willingly get off such a lucrative and lazy gig voluntarily? One rationalization of "It's only entertainment," and my god how the old moolah would roll in.

I say, hat's off to the Confidence Men (and Women). It's their world. We just pay them for the privilege of taking our money from us.

[Hugabear]

72. Careful, you'll get attacked for being a "non-believer"

;)

[NeedleCast]

74. I kinda like that show

Well, I like the history of the places they visit. I don't believe in any of the woo-woo bullshit. It's totally over the top. Most of the "paranormal" activity they discover is pretty easily de-bunked...but to their credit, they do at least try to de-bunk stuff themselves (although I don't think they try nearly hard enough, but that's not uncommon in people who want to believe).

As long as Sci-Fi has Star Trek, BSG and Stargate, I'll keep watching. I don't care if they're repeats really.

I thought I heard they were developing a new Stargate series...I hope it's true.

[shadowknows69]

75. And they're only doing like a 16 hour marathon of BSG before the final ep.

That's just wrong. BSG is science fiction. Ghost Plumbers is reality TV bullshit.