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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:43 PM
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Hey Evan! What the FUCK ya doin'?
Where were you when Bush was running wild with his War on the Treasury – the real WoT –
for eight of the longest years in the history of both the United States and the world?



Hey, Bayh! Where were you when Bush stole elections in 2000 and 2004?

Where were you when Bush claimed not to know Kenny Boy Lay and his ENRON-HARKEN Economic Policy?

Where were you when Bush and his cronies moved trillions offshore?

Where were you when Bush said -- not testified -- there was no prior warning bin Laden determined to strike in the United States?

Where were you when Bush launched not one, but TWO illegal and immoral wars on countries that had nothing to do with September 11?

Where were you when Bush was spying on ALL Americans and secretly imprisoning those he wanted?

Where were you when Bush outted a CIA spy and reduced the national security in order to get back at her husband for publicly opposing Bush's phony war rationale?

Where were you when Bush ignored the Weather Service and did a heckuva job in New Orleans?

Where were you when Bush railroaded and imprisoned an innocent former Governor, a fellow Democrat?

Where were you when Bush foisted and steamrolled a multi-trillion obligation upon the American taxpayer?

Now, President Obama has had, what, 63 days to fix the economy, end two wars, and reorganize a federal bureaucracy transformed into a neofascist state?

And you’re already obstructing his policies? Tell me, why do you join Rush Limborrhoid in his efforts to see Obama fail?

Wake the fuck up. America stands at the edge of the abyss, thanks to Bush and his cronies.

Today, your President and your Country need you. In fact, We the People need ALL Democrats and ALL good Republicans to support Obama and his agenda for getting America moving forward.

We'll remember those who opposed progress. Just like I remember whose father saved Ted Kennedy's life after a horrifying plane crash in 1964.

Looking at that short list above, it's a good bet that's what you've been doing for the last 8 years and 63 days. Wake up. Your country needs you.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:47 PM
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1. We need to start a letter writing campaign to stop this right wing Dem from hurting Obama nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:20 AM
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13. Jane Hamsher and others are trying:
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:48 AM
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17. Good! I'll sign up if it gets started! nt
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:13 PM
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54. Me too! I will call every single office and scream at each one of them.
I have had it. Who the hell do these self righteous and arrogant people think they are? Jean Shaheen (?) was just on Maddow and she is full of crap.
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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:36 PM
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67. I agree...Shaheen's full of it.
To be honest, for the first time, I was a little disappointed with Rachel. I think she should have been much tougher on her. Rachel is really good at using people's own words (and deeds) to hang them, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why she didn't nail her on why these assholes wamt to make sure the Repubs can filibuster every damn bill that comes their way. AND for that matter, why in the hell do Democrats continue to feel they have to be bipartisan when the Repubs pretty much told them to go fuck themselves when they held power? And what the hell makes them think it'll be any different when they gain power again?
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:06 AM
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80. I agree. Rachel didn't ask anything of any importance and let Shaheen go on and on saying nothing.
This rogue Dem Group, on first impression to me, appears to be full of itself for want of attention. I am sick to my stomach that Amy Klobachar from MN is in it. What an idiot. I think they are being drugged in their coffee and being brainwashed.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:25 PM
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35. We need to organize a day to flood his office with phone calls.
Better yet, a week. :grr:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:31 PM
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41. I agree.
Let's start this on Thursday morning, go through Friday evening, and then start again Monday morning. And it would be great if people making calls also drop a few LTTEs to newspapers.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:37 PM
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60. I'm in!
:hi:

Would you like to start a thread on Thursday? You're much better with words than I. ;)

http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:49 PM
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2. ah crap...thats my rep....
:hide: and :banghead:
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:07 PM
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38. Mine too
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 03:10 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
Sucks to be us!

I voted for him thinking that once he got to Washington he'd be less of a conservative Democrat that he HAD to be in order to be governor here in Indiana. I guess he's a conservative Democrat through and through- so much so that it's amusing to read about right-wingers complaining about him being "liberal" in their letters to the editor. I guess you just can't satisfy the real loonies.

I remember reading the other day in the Indianapolis Star that his OP-ED piece attacking Obama's budget was excitedly being circulated among the state Republican Party and Bayh later tried to distance himself from it.

With "friends" like Evan, who needs Republicans??? :argh:

I don't do a lot of letter writing but I feel like I owe it to him to let him know how I feel about his latest activities.



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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:50 PM
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3. He was pretty much with Bush except for the past two years
when he was spending a whole lot of time in New Hampshire trying to make a run for President.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:54 PM
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62. Bush was where the money was.
And still is.



The smart ones seem to have cashed in with him.



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:50 PM
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4. ...
Evan has talked this talk for years. Conrad is the one to watch:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5325591&mesg_id=5325591

Democrats Take Knife To Obama's Budget
Billions Targeted to Bring Deficits Down

Here's Bayh:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123794040328932529.html

Senate Centrists Press Agenda
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:51 PM
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6. Agreed...Conrad and Baucus n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:00 AM
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9. yup
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:05 PM
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63. The main idea is not to tax the rich.


If I were rich, I'd pay for that service.

Thank you for the heads up on boy.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:50 PM
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5. Righteous rant! n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:53 PM
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7. Well, gee whiz Wally. He was real busy in 2006 with other things, I'll have you know...
like voting in favor of the flag burning amendment, and other equally important stuff. :eyes:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:58 PM
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64. ''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
Sometimes.



This was from before Evan's time, but he, of all people,
the son of one of the greatest liberal senators in history,
should see there's another way than running with the warmongers.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 11:58 PM
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8. The new look of obstruction...we're at level III now.
Level I was when we had Republicans in control of everything (2000-2005)
Level II was when Republicans only had partial control, but enough to effectively obstruct progress. 2006/08
Republicans no longer have control to obstruct, so the sleeper Democrats must be activated - Level III.

I wonder what leverage the Republicans have on Birch and the other so-called moderates? Wire-tapping, the gift that keeps on giving...to the Republicans.
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Joe Kirk Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:55 AM
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20. Crimespeak Dubya's wiretapping & his daddy's former CIA head.
First thing your closing remark makes me recall.
Eliot Spitzer, former Democratic New York governor, published a signed article in the influential Washington Post on February 14, 2008 titled, "Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime: How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers" (just before his fall from grace). Therein, "The President", said Spitzer, "was a fugitive from justice." And Spitzer was in Washington to launch a campaign to take on the Bush regime and the biggest financial powers on the planet. Spitzer wrote, "When history tells the story of the subprime lending crisis and recounts its devastating effects on the lives of so many innocent homeowners the Bush administration will not be judged favorably."

More recently, revelations about his concerns regards AIG again just prior to his sexual indiscretion and rapid sidelining.
The following article has an engaging perspective, Why Bush Watergated Eliot Spitzer by F. William Engdahl, dated 17 March 2008. Here's an excerpt: "Spitzer had become increasingly public in his blaming the Bush Administration for the nation’s current financial and economic disaster. He testified in Washington in mid-February before the US House of Representatives Financial Services subcommittee on the problems in New York-based specialized insurance companies, known as "monoline" insurers (monoline Versicherung). In a national TV interview the same day, he laid blame for the crisis and its broader economic fallout on the Bush Administration."

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:57 AM
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29. Welcome onboard, Joe Kirk!
Oh yeah, Spitzer was neutralized. Funny how that works....the banks and the Bush administration teamed up on that one. That's your classic political assassination. I think we also know why Bush was so interested in privatizing Social Security now...that would have papered off the liquidity crisis/toxic debt for a few more years.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:12 PM
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33. Way back when...
...I went to school with the guy and his brother. I don't remember which one, or exactly how, but I seem to recall that one got a chipped front tooth from fighting. Their dad was much-loved by everyone at the place, offspring of puke and Dem alike.

Brother Evan's a bit different today. He knows where the money comes from. The guy's stooging for big business over the little people. Smart thinking for stuffing a campaign chest, let alone election box. If he wants the river to keep flowing, he'll continue to be a good water carrier, which is too bad. He's missing the boat, big-time.

Thank you for your outstanding nomenclature there, Never-Old and In the Way. These turds are doing their ECHELON best to keep the lid on any kind of progresss. We may be heading for Level X, where the telefon rings and it's every man for himself. Thanks to you and all who give a damn, we may first get time to take off the gloves and show these traitors the what's-for.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:02 AM
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10. Three times, Evan, will you betray me, before
the fat lady sings.

Ask not for whom she'll sing, Evan. She sings for thee.


If Evan Bayh thinks there's a political constituency to be carved out of the consensus that Obama represents, meaning all the people who voted for him (including those who did, or tried to, in vain), he can work that angle. But that angle has to deal with all the other angles it's angling against.

I think he's playing the wrong angle.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:10 AM
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11. nice snake :)
I love your little flag thingy there :) I would love to have a copy if it is ok to do so??..
It reminds me of other patriots of long ago...but it is so relevant to now.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:38 AM
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15. It's free
to copy and use.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 03:03 AM
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87. thank you :)
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:10 AM
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12. A couple groups organizing in response:
"Two new groups ready to take on the Conservadems in the House and Senate"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8271806
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Joe Kirk Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:26 AM
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14. Contact via e-mail & senatorial legislative office phone input vital.
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 12:56 AM by Joe Kirk
Here is the contributed text of a petition I signed, directed
to the attention of Senator Evan Bayh [D-IN)?]:
 I and many other progressives like myself have worked
tirelessly on behalf of the Democrats during this long period
that saw our country so injured by the perfect storm of a
conservative Republican judiciary, presidency and legislature.
Now, you and some other senators almost unbelievably sound as
if you are prepared to act against the clear majorities of
both 2006 and 2008 that voted Democratic to advance meaningful
measures on issues just like health care and climate change. I
suggest some re-examination of your loyalty to voters much
less your party. Moving to weaken your own popular and
intelligent president's agenda and legislation is so corrosive
to supporters of the Democratic brand, many newly so. It
fosters nothing but cynicism in most and glee among the
Republicans. It ought to be clear by now how the public feels
on those long-debated questions. The enthusiasm for Obama is a
reflection of that. I can promise you that even out-of-state
with a cell phone and another state's voter lists, I shall
remember the members of your embryonic caucus during primary
season next time around and work just as tirelessly to provide
progressive Democrats elsewhere of alternatives to milquetoast
incumbents. I'll be looking for other similar opportunities
with other caucus members depending on their co-operation with
the party whose choices got us into this mess flirting with
catastrophe.
 The 14 other CONSERVADEMS are Tom Carper (DE), Blanche
Lincoln (AR), Michael Bennet (CO), Mark Begich (AK), Kay Hagan
(NC), Herb Kohl (WI), Mary Landrieu (LA), Joe Lieberman (CT),
Claire McCaskill (MO), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL),
Jeanne Shaheen (NH), Mark Warner (VA) & Mark Udall (CO).
 Following is the petition's website:
www.thepetitionsite.com/1/conservadems-you-should-be-replaced
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:42 AM
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16. He's totally useless. As are the other "blue dogs" in the House & Senate
They're truly revolting individuals. Their districts/states ought to do something about them,
like a recall if available, or a full on political program to show all citizens of the district or
state that these are phony Democrats and phony representatives of the people.

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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:55 PM
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75. Touche'...
....you are exactly right.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:50 PM
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85. That happens twice every 24 hours;) n/t
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:52 AM
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18. kr
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:56 AM
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19. He's pissed that he isn't President
Of course I could've told him long before 2008 that he didn't stand a chance in hell.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:42 AM
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26. make that VP
since he was on the short list
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:12 AM
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21. Way to call 'em Octafish!
Pirate Bayh needs a patch over his eye!
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ropi Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:18 AM
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22. lemme tell you-- and i am from indiana
you can write, petition, call, and you'll get no where with this one. he's utterly useless.
his office never contacts you back. they never answer letters-- i mean Lugar's office shows him up all the time. while i am not a fan of Lugar--old Bayh and his office needs to take a cue from Lugar and at least learn how to listen and respond.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:55 AM
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23. And he'll be almost impossible to beat in a primary.
His campaign will be overflowing with corporate cash.

I couldn't believe he was even being considered as a VP candidate. He's always been an asshole.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:04 AM
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30. This is true. I've called and emailed and nada.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:26 PM
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44. I have several friends who live in Lake County -- all Democrats
They say if you need anything done to call Lugar's office. They'll actually do something.

Lake County is the Democratic stronghold of Indiana, but he ignores it like it's a republikkan bastion.
He takes them for granted.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 04:02 AM
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24. dlc 2.0
Bayh is a nasty tool. I knew he would be trouble, I just didn't think that he would be this stupid in his tooldom.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:34 AM
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25. wow, i am so surprised to see you jumping on the obama bandwagon.
frankly, i haven't read about the bayh thing your talking about. i'm sure it's probably bad. but everybody must support obama? please.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:44 AM
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27. since the economy needs fixing
they all need to stick together
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:18 PM
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34. I'd prefer Kucinich, but Obama's the President.
Unlike the drunken coke-whore warmongering wastrel who stole his way into office.

Here's details on Sen. Bayh's thing:

Bayh Organizes Moderate Democrats

If Bayh wants to lead the Party, great. Run for President in 2012. Until then, don't get in the way of the wagaon. Help pull.

Regarding Obama: The stuff in his closet is chump change compared to what I've got in mine. In short, he can grow into the kind of statesman we need. He won't, without our help.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:46 PM
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73. i'm still surprised.
i'm not comparing him to anyone. you raised kucinich. i don't like a lot of what obama's doing. maybe you do. but i don't get behind anybody just because he's the president.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:51 AM
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28. There are quite a few "Democrats" we could ask those same questions of.
Bayh is one of many.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:50 PM
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47. Amen to that!
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:58 AM
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31. Don't screw with the Americans! We voted for Obama for
his changes.  We didn't vote for the conservative Democrats.
Get on board or leave our party!  It's ok to voice different
options but don't put up roadblocks.  Americans need Obama's
intelligent and
common sense solutions.  Don't mess it up!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:00 PM
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32. Ain't nothing Blue about that Yellow Dog.
Fuck him and every DINO that acts like him. We don't want another Obstructionist.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:29 PM
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36. who can we give donations to for this turncoat action of the conservadems
I do not like this at all, Dems against Obama, crap, right now they should be supporting this man.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:30 PM
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45. Bayh is pretty much untouchable
Sadly, the only way to get rid of the bum is to get a republikkan elected then go wait 6 years and try and defeat that guy.

Other then that, short of the Grim Reaper knocking on his door, he ain't going anywhere
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:23 AM
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76. Oh, I bet there will be some surprises out there.......
......I think he has now exposed himself to his constituents. Almost political suicide.

Don't you think there are some liberal Republicans out there that could kick his ass? Say in more of the industrial northern sectors of the state? I'm banking on that the parties will loosen up a bit as this economy improves. Old Evan will then start sweating, I'm sure of it.....what a fricken weasel.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 02:31 PM
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37. Recomended.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:26 PM
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39. Outstanding.
This is really a pleasure to read, and to nominate.

There comes a time, as Martin Luther King, Jr., said, when silence becomes betrayal. EB's silence in the Bush-Cheney years was a betrayal of his oath of office, of the citizens of this country, and to everything good this country stands for.

His behaviors at this time are again a betrayal. These are issues of character. And character very rarely changes. The chances of his changing are a bit more remote than the chance of a chicken laying hawk eggs.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. EXACTLY why the treasonous bastards
MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

I'm waiting. Unfortunately, IMO, the BETRAYALS just keep on coming...

Yes, these are issues of character. BTW- will Rove EVER be forced to testify? We do have control of both House and Senate, yes? Help me to understand.

Isn't there more than ONE villian in this scene? It certainly looks that way from my perspective.

Oath of Office? Sadly, that appears to be so "yesterday"...

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:29 PM
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40. Great post
K & R
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 05:13 PM
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42. Moderate Democrat? No...
Centrist Democrat? No...

Conservative Democrat? No...

Fascist Democrat! :thumbsup:
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:22 PM
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43. 60 votes - and Bayh can really screw
that up. What a nightmare.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:50 PM
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48. Someone sure forgets all the dirty little secrets that might start spillin' out if they keep it up

I believe you are going to see a very contrite Bayh very soon.

I can't imagine what lurks in people's past and what isn't so easy to tuck away.

Yes, I do believe Bayh will be playing nice-nice very soon.


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SeeHopeWin Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:04 PM
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49. Dosen't this mother fucker look like a a former member of the Young Republicans Club?
He does to me - We need to nail his ass to the wall - RIGHT FUCKING NOW.......
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:08 PM
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50. Why isn't he Evan Bye-Bye? We need a read Dem, not a DINO. nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:18 PM
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51. Bayh just SUCKS. the only upside related to Bayh i can think of is

that he hasn't become VP. (he was one of the top two VP choices.) :puke:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:23 PM
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52. Evan Bayh has close personal friends who are moderate Republicans.
He thinks he can build a centrist coalition that will appeal to Republicans who are not fundamentalist, in other words, the business class Republicans. He sees himself as the savior of the middle.

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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:31 PM
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53. Perfectly said. I am keeping this.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:15 PM
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55. Bayh is a Republican disguised as a Democrat
ASSHOLE
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:53 PM
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56. Do you recall how many idiot moderates here wanted Obama to choose Evan Bayh for VP?
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 08:59 PM by GreenTea
What clowns! Right, because most moderates are so uninformed or they wouldn't be moderates, they wouldn't know a great progressive issue or bill that needs to be passed if it knocked them down & hit them right in the face....Like the post above this one and it goes for moderate who are republicans and democrats in name only. Evan Bayh, get fucking real milk toast fools!
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OlbermannsHead Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:55 PM
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57. he should just join the GOP
......
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:00 PM
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58. Better to spy for the republicans as a Dem more effective - like the slimy Joe Lieberman did.
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 PM by GreenTea
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 PM
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59. "He Co-Chaired Neocon Committee For The Liberation Of Iraq With McCain!"
Bayh As Veep? But He Co-Chaired Neocon Committee For The Liberation Of Iraq With McCain!

By Greg Sargent - July 16, 2008, 6:03PM
Senator Evan Bayh's appearance today with Barack Obama at the "21st Century Threats" summit has stirred a lot of talk in the press about the possibility of him being on Obama's Veep short-list.

But we're not sure that's such a viable idea. That's because in 2003, Bayh was an honorary co-chair of the neocon pro-war Committee for the Liberation of Iraq -- a group he joined along with none other than John McCain and Joe Lieberman, according to a press release from during the run-up to the invasion.

Check this out, from the group's press release on February 14th, 2003 (via Nexis):

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) is pleased to welcome Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) as an Honorary Co-Chairman. Bayh becomes the third U.S. Senator to join the committee after Sens. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced their participation on January 28.
The Committee is a neo-con group that was formed to propagandize the country into war. It boasted such illustrious neocon members as Bill Kristol, former CIA director James Woolsey, and even McCain senior foreign policy adviser and Chalabi-bamboozler Randy Scheunemann, whom Josh has been blogging about.

-snip

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/bayh_as_veep_he_cochaired_wing.php

DOESN'T THAT EXPLAIN A LOT?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:46 PM
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61. Pretty much explains it all. Thank you, mod mom.
Some call them PNAC.

Our friends in the military industrial complex just love Indiana.



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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:10 PM
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65. And yet he was a serious contender for VP...
WHAT does that say about us?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:43 PM
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72. That Obama realized he would be a big mistake.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:27 AM
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77. I believe Obama was an attempt to neutral the powerful DINOS, but saw our outrage
over Bayh background such as this. At least I'm hoping this. :hi:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 08:21 AM
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78. I truly believe that he was a Hobson's Choice all along....
but at least the DLC got the MESSAGE.

There ARE people watching, and we
CAN determine the outcome of an
election.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:22 PM
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66. Evan Bayh: From Possible Obama VP to Backstabber
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 11:34 PM by seafan
From BuzzFlash:

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
by Chad Rubel

March 25, 2009


Evan Bayh: From Possible Obama VP to Backstabber





If we go back all the way to the third full week in August 2008, we saw that there were three unofficial nominees for Barack Obama's running mate: now VP Joe Biden, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, and Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN). Bayh seemed to be the odd figure in that group: he was plenty conservative and a huge Hillary Clinton supporter when she ran for president. But despite the differences and potential awkwardness, Obama thought highly of him to seriously consider him for the job.

You would think that such trust and appreciation would lend itself well in future interactions. But seven months later, Bayh is leading a group of Democrats committed to halting necessary legislation that Obama thinks we need to get this country moving forward again.

As the O'Jays put it, "They smile in your face; All the time they want to take your place; The back stabbers."

.....

But the time to organize this group would have been 2001 or 2007, so the better question is not "Why" but "Why now?"
We have already seen the damage done by the moderate Democrats to the stimulus bill, and they weren't organized as a group.

Bayh's Conservadem group has gained strength from some of its newest members: Mark Begich (AK), Michael Bennet (CO), Kay Hagan (NC), Jeanne Shaheen (NH), Mark Udall (CO), and Mark Warner (VA). All but Bennet did get help from Obama to get elected, and Obama won all their states except for Alaska.

.....

Bayh said on MSNBC that "we care about our country more than our party, and so we want to get things done."

If that were true, the group never would have formed. These centrist Democrats, who admittedly are concerned about the size of the deficit, though they didn't speak up for the last eight years, would have realized that growing the deficit short-term is necessary to get us out of our deep economic downturn. They would have swallowed their pride, and later put pressure on Obama to reduce the deficit, though they did no such thing when Bush was in power.

.....

But like some Republicans, these centrist Democrats aren't concerned about the deficit itself, they are focused on what we are spending the money on. When we spend money on Iraq, that's okay with them. When we spend on money on people and programs here in the United States (where we all live), then the pocketbook concerns suddenly spring up.
Ironically, if they were concerned about the party, they would stand up with Obama, since if Obama doesn't succeed due to underfunded programs perhaps due to meddling by centrist Democrats, they will suffer as well. Some of these freshman senators might be worried about that less than 6 years from now.

.....

Barack Obama has had many challenges on his plate, and very little cooperation to speak of so far. He reached out to Congressional Republicans in ways not seen in decades, and was rebutted. His dealings with centrist Democrats when they weren't organized went sour when they felt it necessary to do even more damage to the stimulus bill.
Bayh summed it up well in the MSNBC interview in terms of getting legislation passed. "And it's going to take the centrists to get us there. And so we want to help make the changes we need. And that's -- that's what our group is all about."

No, the group is all about reducing the domestic spending we need to recover from the failed policies that they embraced from the other major party. It's bad enough when those on the other team aren't amenable, but when your own teammates won't help, Obama's presidency will just be that much rougher.



A letter to the editor in North Carolina:



After the jubilation of getting Kay Hagan elected in place of Elizabeth Dole, I am so disappointed to see that Hagan is one of the "conservadems" who is vowing to work against some of President Obama's key policies and agenda items, including health insurance. Even though I didn't like it, we knew where Libby Dole stood. Hagan has shown herself to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, and I am on the verge of regretting ever voting for her if this is what we can expect after she rode Obama's coattails to victory. She is not representing the Democrats who voted her in who wanted the change Obama represents.

Delonda Alexander

Pittsboro



Centrists brewing a storm in U.S. Senate

By Michael Riley
The Denver Post

March 19, 2009


.....

Bloggers and commentators have launched increasingly aggressive attacks on the centrists, casting them as part of the problem and vowing to extract a political price if they dismantle Obama's agenda.

.....

Still, experts say comments such as Maddow's are likely only the first salvo in a nasty internecine fight — the hallmark of an an era when Democrats control the executive and legislative levers of power in Washington and moderates in the party have begun to balk at the heavy spending that undergirds some of Obama's priorities.

"I think that is the central political dynamic. . . . The people who are going to make or break the agenda are centrist Democrats, red-state Democrats," said Faiz Shakir, editor of the influential blog ThinkProgress.org.

"There is a campaign of persuasion going on . . . that allows these Democrats who are wary to turn back around and join the parade," he said.

Some of that persuasion comes with barbs, Shakir acknowledged.

Maddow's five-minute "conservadem" segment last Thursday provoked at least 20 calls Monday to Udall's office and more than a dozen e-mails to Democratic Party headquarters in Colorado.

.....

While Obama so far has focused mostly on GOP opposition, the party's left is signaling that they don't intend to let centrist Democrats dismantle the president's agenda piecemeal.

They point to Bayh's vocal opposition to the recent omnibus budget bill and to comments by others in the new group, including Nebraska's Nelson, who has called Obama's 2010 budget "too big" and said Democrats need to focus on "holding down government spending."

"Now you're in a situation where these 'centrist' Dems can join with either Democrats or Republicans to pass legislation, and they can hold their ranks pretty well," said Jane Hamsher, founder of the blog firedoglake.com. and an organizer of the Accountability Now PAC.

She said members like Bennet, who is trying to avoid a primary fight in next year's Senate race, could be vulnerable to a backlash from groups like hers.

"If they start acting in a really regressive way to keep the systemic change from happening . . . then you focus on the leadership first, but you also go after the weak ones," Hamsher said.

"If somebody is vulnerable, if a challenger comes forward and says they're going to take someone on, those are the ones we look for."


.....




LEADERS:

Evan Bayh, Indiana

Tom Carper, Delaware

Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas

MEMBERS:

Michael Bennet, Colorado

Mark Begich, Alaska

Kay Hagan, North Carolina

Herb Kohl, Wisconsin

Mary Landrieu, Louisiana

Joe Lieberman, Connecticut*

Claire McCaskill, Missouri

Ben Nelson, Nebraska

Bill Nelson, Florida

Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire

Mark Udall, Colorado

Mark Warner, Virginia

*Elected as an independent but caucuses with Democrats

Source: Sen. Evan Bayh's office




Yes, Conservadems. There WILL be hell to pay if you obstruct Obama's plans to help the people of this country.







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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:39 PM
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68. I canvassed door-to-door for Jean Shaheen in NH
when I was working for the Obama campaign. What is her story?

Republicans may be creeps, liars and thugs, but they sure know how to stick together. The Blue Dogs don't seem to understand the meaning of the words, "united we stand." Is this about ego massaging or lobbyist money? It certainly isn't about getting this country back on its feet. Don't these morons realize that what voters really want is for them to make some progress? We voted for change, not deadlock. Joining the Republicans to just say no will only serve to make the Blue Dogs as unpopular as their friends on the "other side of the aisle."
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:50 PM
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74. McCaskill and Hagan are real sellouts as well. And we will remember it.
The enemy within is the threat to our president's agenda now. I hope everyone will take some action aimed at marginalizing these people from power. They are not mainstream. They have betrayed those who campaigned tirelessly to get them into office.


For the last eight years, they were missing in action when Bush was raping the country. Only NOW, they are stepping forward. Nuh-uh. Nada. No way. These people will be punished severely at the ballot box.




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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:42 PM
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70. I never ever liked Bayh and was so glad he was not the VP pick
Perhaps one is jealous they got passed up for the job?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:31 PM
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82. those on that list need to be called
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 12:32 PM by bdamomma
and do not mess around with President Obama's agenda that we are supporting to come to fruition.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:41 PM
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69. ***DUzy Nom*** ***DUzy Nom*** ***DUzy Nom***
Excellent, excellent post:yourock:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:43 PM
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71. k/r n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 09:17 AM
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79. Kick, because these are the real turncoats in our midst. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 10:15 AM
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81. Bayh wants to be President one day....he's jockeying for coverage
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 10:16 AM by Solly Mack
taking a page from McCain's bullshit playbook and portraying himself as the principled opposition who wants to work across the aisle to get things done. To answer the question :)

So, he's self-promoting at the expense of others.

Edit to add: With more than whiff of Lieberman thrown in...



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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:32 PM
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83. Blue Douchebags
for god's sake. Can you express bipartisanship by pulling WITH your party for once?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:42 PM
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84. God, there is no end to this crap, is there?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 01:08 PM
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86. Harry Reid is already fuming that we should just 'leave the ConservaDems/Blue Dogs alone.'
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: Harry, you really need to grow a spine.



Notice the smug look on Bayh in the background.


Weak and ineffectual is the last thing progressives need.


Put the pressure ON, people!



ConservaDems in Senate:

LEADERS:

Evan Bayh, Indiana

Tom Carper, Delaware

Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas

MEMBERS:

Michael Bennet, Colorado

Mark Begich, Alaska

Kay Hagan, North Carolina

Herb Kohl, Wisconsin

Mary Landrieu, Louisiana

Joe Lieberman, Connecticut*

Claire McCaskill, Missouri

Ben Nelson, Nebraska

Bill Nelson, Florida

Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire

Mark Udall, Colorado

Mark Warner, Virginia

*Elected as an independent but caucuses with Democrats



These people who are identifying with and enabling Republicans MUST NOT be allowed to sandbag President Obama's agenda to help the people through his health care, education and energy policy.









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espritjoie Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 11:12 PM
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88. Sign this petition to be delivered to the CONSERVADEMS
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