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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:09 PM
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Newsweek April 6th cover "Obama is wrong"


In the April 6 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands March 30), 'Obama is Wrong,' Newsweek's Evan Thomas profiles Paul Krugman, who, as the debate over the rescue of the financial system unfolds, has emerged as Obama's toughest liberal critic. Plus: Michael Hirsh on how Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner appears to have settled into office; Dan Gross on financial linguistics; a profile of Peter Arnell; Newsweek's Business Roundtable; and the 'diva-ization' of kids at a young age.
(PRNewsFoto/Newsweek)
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:14 PM
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1. Taking down Obama and Economic Recovery is now "Populist"
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 12:16 PM by FreakinDJ
Seems the Right-Wing Media has launched an all out blitz

The Dem party has put all the chips in Obama's corner but the Washington insiders and "Recycled Clinton Administration Staffers" are destroying what otherwise is an utterly Brilliant Man
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:16 PM
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2. cheerleading for plans that enable corrupt corporate and investment banks and those
who created this mess is apparently now "populist".
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:18 PM
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3. Doesn't matter - Dem Lawmakers will go into CYA mode
and dump on Obama the minute it appears politically expedient
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:23 PM
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5. Not that I completely agree with the plan but Obama is a bit too "disruptive" for much of DC crowd
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 12:38 PM by underpants
they are trying desperately to take some wind out of his sails. They are now going with the long drawn out "boring" detailed explanation path that David Gregory and others just last week were saying was "populism" (as a perjorative) because we just can't understand it all with our little public education brains.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:24 PM
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15. Obama is being destroyed?????
Not noticable to me.

Treasury plan is awful, only benefits Big Bank cronies, Geithner is a stooge, but how does that
"destroy" our President?

I am more worried about the economy of this country being destroyed.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 03:56 PM
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16. Ask that question when he trys to reform Healthcare
lacking any political capitol he'll be shreaded
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:29 AM
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33. He's not going to reform healthcare.
He's leaving that up to the insurance companies.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:53 PM
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23. Obama IS wrong on the bailout -- dead wrong.
I'm generally supportive of him, but neither I nor any of the other DU'er's I know who know anything about economics can come up with any reasurring rationale for the bank bailout Obama's adopted.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:22 PM
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4. Man, It Must Be KILLING RWers
To have to rally around Krugman.

:rofl:
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:31 PM
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6. It's important to note that all criticism isn't the same
The right is full of it because they sat by while Bush screwed the public for eight years.

The left wants Obama to keep his campaign promises.

It isn't accurate to suggest that critics of Obama are allies. Krugman wants what is best for the country and truly believes that the Obama/Geithner plan isn't the way to go. The GOP critics are frauds who are once again manipulating their base.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:05 PM
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18. LOL
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:37 PM
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7. Krugman should run for office.
He didn't want to be part of this administration, waaaaaaay too hard when you actually have to accomplish things. So much easier to sit back and throw brickbats and be smug with oneself.

But then again, he never actually *ran* anything, did he?

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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:46 PM
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9. Smug?
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 12:50 PM by noise
How is it smug for Krugman to object to the Obama/Geithner plan? Was he smug when he kept calling out the Bush administration for their awful policies?

It appears Krugman is exhibiting integrity by applying the same standard to both political parties.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:56 PM
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10. Do you have a counter to Krugman's analysis or is all you can do is attack the man?
Attacking the messenger instead of critiquing the message is the lowest form of logical fallacy.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:53 PM
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11. Obama himself has said he wants debate
Krugman is giving it to him. I don't agree with all aspects of the bailout either and I don't keep my mouth shut either. I think Krugman is doing a great service.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:16 PM
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24. And his expertise is only on INTERNATIONAL TRADE! He's not an expert on domestic economics.
But that won't stand in his way, we all know that.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:26 PM
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26. LOL
if your accusation were correct (and it's not, but that's a different story), then you are
by your same logic condemning Geithner

Geithner does not even have a BS in economics, and his master's is in international economics

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 09:56 PM
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43. I wasn't defending Geithner, was I?
I was talking about Krugman. And I'm not wrong.

And since you so rudely "asked," I don't think either one of them is the person to listen to in this situation.

So, basically: FAIL.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:54 AM
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44. i was discussing your logical reasoning
not good
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:30 PM
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27. That's kind of how I feel
I respect his role as gadfly, but in general I find his arguments shrill, shallow and unconvincing.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:29 AM
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37. character assassination
is not really much of an argument
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:44 PM
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8. For Democracy to be effective, a loyal opposition is needed.

The GOP abandoned that role before President Obama was even inaugurated. People who provide intelligent critiques of official policy are beneficial to the system.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:56 PM
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12. would newsweek consider it 'loyal opposition' had krugman spoke up against bu$h*?
i don't remember that term being used for oh, say, 8 years.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:01 PM
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20. where was KRUGMAN the last 8 YEARS?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:20 PM
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25. Critisizing Bush's economic policies
and being cited and celebrated over and over again here on DU.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:38 AM
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34. How quickly that's being forgotten because he has

dared to say Obama is wrong on some issues.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:22 AM
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35. didn't hear much about him in the MSM?
was he on the front page of Newsweek in the last 8 years?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:34 AM
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39. is that his fault?
He was one of the few pundits willing to go after the Bush administration from 2000 on.

Of course a right wing rag like Newsweek wouldn't put him on the cover then.

Now they see an opportunity to split the left - but that's not Krugman's fault...

He's been consistent.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 03:44 PM
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42. no it's not Krugman's fault they are just using him
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 09:10 AM
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40. LOL where were you the last 8 years?
When Krugman did nothing BUT criticize the Bush Administration continuously.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:59 PM
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13. The enemy of my enemy is my friend
just sayin'....
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:08 PM
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14. KrugmannamgurK
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:05 PM
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17. Didn't newsweek have a cover recently implying Obama was a Socialist?
They don't give a rat's ass about Krugman -- they just want to sell magazines and create drama.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:58 PM
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19. No not exactly but they did put "The Blackberry President" and "Thug Life" on the same line
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 05:59 AM
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28. Interesting subliminal message on that cover. thx for sharing
It hints that "The BLACK-BARRY President (is) Quitting the Thug Life"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:12 AM
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29. NewsWeak...
They Loved George!
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:01 PM
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21. If that is the cover of Newsweek, then I'm for Obama!
I gave up my subscription years ago.


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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 06:11 PM
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22. It would have been nice to see them be as blunt with chimp and the war....!! n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:25 AM
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36. was Krugman on the front page of Newsweek then?
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:16 AM
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30. OMFG! Raise shields and man your battle stations!
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yellowwood Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:16 AM
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31. BOLD!
Gee, I wish they'd been so bold when Bush & Company made plans to invade Iraq.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:22 AM
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32. Well he is wrong
But I suppose Newsweek is now evil because of this cover?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 08:33 AM
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38. Can somebody please show me a time when Krugman has been "loyal" to Obama.
I fail to see what is "loyal" about Krugman's so-called "opposition".

A more apt title, IMO, is:

Obama is Wrong: The personal vendetta of Paul Krugman.

-or-

Obama is Wrong: The egotistical agenda of Paul Krugman.


Krugman has good ideas, so it's a shame that he's letting his ego run amok. Just because there's a Dem in the WH doesn't mean that all of Krugman's policies are going to be immediately adopted (or perhaps if another Dem had won the WH they would have been and that's the source of a lot of this, but I digress). Krugman needs to understand that there's a little game called "politics" that is played in this country and it's a game that he doesn't have a clue about. Continually throwing his little "but I'm RIGHT" temper tantrums is not going to accomplish anything for him.


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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 09:27 AM
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41. Krugman has quite the ego. But he's right. I like this cover.
Hopefully Obama listens. They are both stubborn people who need to work together in some form to help fix this horrible economic mess.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 05:13 AM
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45. They want to make everything Obama does wrong. It's all Obama's fault. Bush never happened. n/t
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