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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:18 PM
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Imagine .... just pretend ...... that certain former admin officials are indicted in Spain ......
...... and imagine ..... just pretend ..... arrest warrants are issued for them ..... from a country with whom we have extradition agreements.

What do we do? I mean officially. The government. What do we do if guys like Gonzo and Adelman and the four others Spain may indict, have arrest warrants issued by Spain. Do we honor that? Can we? Should we? Is there a choice?

Herewith ..... our treaty with Espana"

Hint: X.D (??)

No. 11338
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
and
SPAIN

Treaty on extradition. Signed at Madrid on 29 May 1970

Authentic texts: English and Spanish.

Registered by the United States of America on 21 September 1971.

ÉTATS-UNIS D'AMÉRIQUE
et
ESPAGNE
Traité d'extradition. Signé à Madrid le 29 mai 1970
Textes authentiques: anglais et espagnol.
Enregistré par les États-Unis d'Amérique le 21 septembre 1971.

TREATY ON EXTRADITION 1 BETWEEN THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA AND SPAIN

The President of the United States of America and the Chief of State of
Spain, desiring to make more effective the cooperation of the two countries
in the repression of crime through the rendering of maximum assistance in
matters of extradition,

Have decided to conclude a Treaty and to this end have named as their
representatives :

The President of the United States of America, The Honorable William P.
Rogers, Secretary of State ;

The Chief of State of Spain, His Excellency Senor Gregorio L pez Bravo de
Castro, Minister of Foreign Affairs,

who have agreed as follows :

Article I

In accordance with the conditions established in this Treaty, each
Contracting Party agrees to extradite to the other, for prosecution or to
undergo sentence, persons found in its territory who have been charged with
or convicted of any of the offenses mentioned in Article II of this Treaty
committed within the territory of the other, or outside thereof under the
conditions specified in Article III.

Article II

A. Persons shall be delivered up according to the provisions of this
Treaty for any of the following offenses provided that these offenses are
punishable by the laws of both Contracting Parties by a term of imprisonment
exceeding one year:

1. Murder; infanticide; parricide; manslaughter.
2. Abortion.
3. Rape; statutory rape; indecent assault, including sodomy and unlawful
sexual acts with or upon minors under the age specified by the penal laws
of both Contracting Parties.
4. Aggravated injury or mutilation.
5. Procuration.
6. Willful nonsupport or willful abandonment of a child or spouse when for
that reason the life of that child or spouse is or is likely to be endangered.
7. Bigamy.
8. Kidnapping or abduction; child stealing; false imprisonment.
9. Robbery or larceny or burglary; housebreaking.
10. Embezzlement; malversation; breach of fiduciary relationship.
11. Obtaining money, valuable securities or property, by false pretenses, by
threat of force or by other fraudulent means including the use of the mails
or other means of communication.
12. Any offense relating to extortion or threats.
13. Bribery, including soliciting, offering and accepting.
14. Receiving or transporting any money, valuable securities or other
property knowing the same to have been obtained pursuant to a criminal
act.
15. Any offense relating to counterfeiting or forgery ; making a false statement
to a government agency or official.
16. Any offense relating to perjury or false accusation.
17. Arson; malicious injury to property.
18. Any malicious act that endangers the safety of any person in a railroad
train, or aircraft or vessel or bus or other means of transportation.
19. Piracy, defined as mutiny or revolt on board an aircraft or vessel against
the authority of the captain or commander of such aircraft or vessel, any
seizure of exercise of control, by force or violence or threat of force or
violence, of an aircraft or vessel.
20. Any offense against the bankruptcy laws.
21. Any offense against the laws relating to narcotic drugs, psychotropic
drugs, cocaine and its derivatives, and other dangerous drugs, including
cannabis, and chemicals or substances injurious to health.
22. Any offense relating to firearms, explosives, or incendiary devices.
23. Unlawful interference in any administrative or juridical proceedings by
bribing, threatening, or injuring by any means, any officer, juror, witness,
or duly authorized person.

B. Extradition shall also be granted for participation in any of the
offenses mentioned in this article, not only as principal or accomplices, but
as accessories, as well as for attempt to commit or conspiracy to commit any
of the aforementioned offenses, when such participation, attempt or con-
spiracy is subject, under the laws of both Parties, to a term of imprisonment
exceeding one year.

C. If extradition is requested for any offense listed in paragraphs A or
B of this article and that offense is punishable under the laws of both Con-
tracting Parties by a term of imprisonment exceeding one year, such offense
shall be extraditable under the provisions of this Treaty whether or not the
laws of both Contracting Parties would place that offense within the same
category of offenses made extraditable by paragraphs A and B of this article
and whether or not the laws of the requested Party denominate the offense by
the same terminology.

D. Extradition shall also be granted for the above mentioned offenses,
even when, in order to recognize the competent federal jurisdiction, circum-
stances such as the transportation from one State to another, have been
taken into account and may be elements of the offense.
Article HI

A. For the purposes of this Treaty the territory of a Contracting Party
shall include all territory under the jurisdiction of that Contracting Party,
including airspace and territorial waters and vessels and aircraft registered in
that Contracting Party if any such aircraft is in flight or if any such vessel is
on the high seas when the offense is committed. For purposes of this Treaty
an aircraft shall be considered to be in flight from the moment when power is
applied for the purpose of take-off until the moment when the landing run
ends.

B. Without prejudice to paragraph A, 1 of Article V, when the offense
for which extradition has been requested has been committed outside the
territory of the requesting Party, extradition may be granted if the laws of
the requested Party provide for the punishment of such an offense committed
in similar circumstances, and if the person whose surrender is sought is not
also the subject of a request from another State whose jurisdiction over the
person may take preference for territorial reasons and in respect of which
there exists an equal possibility of acceding to a request for extradition.

Article IV

Neither of the Contracting Parties shall be bound to deliver up its own
nationals, but the executive authority of the United States and the competent
authority of Spain shall have the power to deliver them up, if, in its discretion,
it be deemed proper to do so.

Article V

A. Extradition shall not be granted in any of the following circum-
stances :

1. When the person whose surrender is sought is being proceeded against
or has been tried and discharged or punished in the territory of the
requested Party for the offense for which his extradition is requested.
2. When the person whose surrender is sought has been tried and acquitted
or has undergone his punishment in a third State for the offense for which
his extradition is requested.
3. When the prosecution or the enforcement of the penalty for the offense
has become barred by lapse of time according to the laws of either of the
Contracting Parties.
4. When the offense in respect of which the extradition is requested is
regarded by the requested Party as an offense of a political character,
or that Party has substantial grounds for believing that the request for
extradition has been made for the purpose of trying or punishing a person
for an offense of the above mentioned character. If any question arises
as to whether a case comes within the provisions of this subparagraph,
the authorities of the Government on which the requisition is made shall
decide.
5. When the offense is purely military.

B. For the purposes of the application of subparagraph A, 4 of this
article, the attempt, whether consummated or not, against the life of the Head
of State or of a member of his family shall not be considered a political offense
or an act connected with such an offense.

C. For the same purposes of application of subparagraph A, 4 of this
article an offense committed by force or intimidation on board a commercial
aircraft carrying passengers in scheduled air services or on a charter basis,
with the purpose of seizing or exercising control of such aircraft, will be
presumed to have a predominant character of a common crime when the
consequences of the offense were or could have been grave. The fact that the
offense has endangered the life or jeopardized the safety of the passengers or
crew will be given special consideration in the determination of the gravity of
such consequences.

Article VI

If a request for extradition is made under this Treaty for a person who
at the time of such request is under the age of eighteen years and is considered
by the requested Party to be one of its residents, the requested Party, upon a
determination that extradition would disrupt the social readjustment and
rehabilitation of that person, may recommend to the requesting Party that
the request for extradition be withdrawn, specifying the reasons therefor.

Article VII

When the offense for which the extradition is requested is punishable by
death under the laws of the requesting Party, extradition shall be denied unless
the requesting Party provides such assurances as the requested Party considers
sufficient that the death penalty shall not be imposed, or, if imposed, shall not
be executed.

Article VIII

The requested Party may, after a decision on the request has been rendered
by a court of competent jurisdiction, defer the surrender of the person whose
extradition is requested when that person is being proceeded against or is
serving a sentence in the territory of the requested Party for an offense other
than that for which extradition has been requested until the conclusion of the
proceedings and the full execution of any punishment he may be or may have
been awarded.

Article IX

The determination that extradition based upon the request therefor
should or should not be granted shall be made in accordance with this Treaty
and with the law of the requested Party. The person whose extradition is
sought shall have the right to use such remedies and recourses as are provided
by such law.

Article X

A. The request for extradition shall be made through the diplomatic
channel.

B. The request shall be accompanied by :

1. A description of the person sought ;
2. A statement of the facts of the case ;
3. The text of the applicable laws of the requesting Party including the law
defining the offense, the law prescribing the punishment for the offense,
and the law relating to the limitations of the legal proceedings or the
enforcement of the penalty for the offense.

C.

1. When the request relates to a person already convicted, it must
be accompanied by :

When emanating from the United States, a copy of the judgment of con-
viction and of the sentence, if it has been passed; or
When emanating from Spain, a copy of the sentence.

2. In any case, a statement showing that the sentence has not been
served or how much of the sentence has not been served shall accompany the
request.

D. When the request relates to a person who has not yet been convicted,
it must also be accompanied by a warrant of arrest issued by a judge or other
judicial officer of the requesting Party.

The requested Party may require the requesting Party to produce prima
facie evidence to the effect that the person claimed has committed the offense
for which extradition is requested. The requested Party may refuse the extra-
dition request if an examination of the case in question shows that the warrant
is manifestly ill-founded.

E. If a question arises regarding the identity of the person whose
extradition is sought, evidence proving the person requested is the person to
whom the warrant of arrest or sentence refers shall be submitted.

F. The documents which, according to this article, shall accompany
the extradition request, shall be admitted in evidence when :
In the case of a request emanating from Spain they bear the signature of a
judge or other juridical or public official and are certified by the principal
diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in Spain; or
In the case of a request emanating from the United States they are signed
by a judge, magistrate or officer of the United States and they are sealed
by the official seal of the Department of State and are certified by the
Embassy of Spain in the United States.

G. The documents mentioned in this article shall be accompanied by
an official translation into the language of the requested Party which will be
at the expense of the requesting Party.

Article XI

A. In case of urgency a Contracting Party may apply to the other
Contracting Party for the provisional arrest of the person sought pending the
presentation of the request for extradition through the diplomatic channel.
This application may be made either through the diplomatic channel or
directly between the respective Ministries of Justice.

B. The application shall contain a description of the person sought, an
indication of intention to request the extradition of the person sought and a
statement of the existence of a warrant of arrest or a judgment of conviction
or sentence against that person, and such further information, if any, as may
be required by the requested Party.

C. On receipt of such an application the requested Party shall take the
necessary steps to secure the arrest of the person claimed.

D. A person arrested upon such an application shall be set at liberty
upon the expiration of 30 days from the date of his arrest if a request for his
extradition accompanied by the documents specified in Article X shall not
have been received. However, this stipulation shall not prevent the institution
of proceedings with a view to extraditing the person sought if the request is
subsequently received.

Article XII

If the requested Party requires additional evidence or information to
enable it to decide on the request for extradition, such evidence or information
shall be submitted to it within such time as that Party shall require.
If the person sought is under arrest and the additional evidence or in
formation submitted as aforesaid is not sufficient or if such evidence or infor-
mation is not received within the period specified by the requested Party,
he shall be discharged from custody. However, such discharge shall not bar
the requesting Party from submitting another request in respect of the same
or any other offense.

Article XIII

A person extradited under the present Treaty shall not be detained, tried
or punished in the territory of the requesting Party for an offense other than
that for which extradition has been granted nor be extradited by that Party
to a third State unless :

1. He has left the territory of the requesting Party after his extradition and
has voluntarily returned to it;

2. He has not left the territory of the requesting Party within 45 days after
being free to do so ; or

3. The requested Party has consented to his detention, trial, punishment or
to his extradition to a third State for an offense other than that for which
extradition was granted.

These stipulations shall not apply to offenses committed after the extra-
dition.

Article XIV

A Party which receives two or more requests for the extradition of the
same person either for the same offense, or for different offenses, shall
determine to which of the requesting States it will extradite the person sought,
taking into consideration the existing circumstances and particularly the
possibility of a later extradition between the requesting States, the seriousness
of each offense, the place where the offense was committed, the nationality of
the person sought, the dates upon which the requests were received and the
provisions of any extradition agreements between the requested Party and the
other requesting State or States.

Article XV

The requested Party shall promptly communicate to the requesting Party
through the diplomatic channel the decision on the request for extradition.
In the case of a complete or partial rejection of the extradition request,
the requested Party shall indicate the reasons for the rejection.
If the extradition has been granted, the authorities of the requesting and
requested Parties shall agree on the time and place of the surrender of the
person sought. Surrender shall take place within such time as may be pre
scribed by the laws of the requested Party.

If the person sought is not removed from the territory of the requested
Party within the time prescribed, he may be set at liberty and the requested
Party may subsequently refuse to extradite that person for the same offense.

Article XVI

To the extent permitted under the law of the requested Party and subject
to the rights of third Parties, which shall be duly respected, all articles acquired
as a result of the offense or which may be required as evidence shall, if found,
be surrendered upon the granting of the extradition request.
Subject to the qualifications of the first paragraph, the above mentioned
articles shall be returned to the requesting Party even if the extradition,
having been agreed to, cannot be carried out owing to the death or escape of
the person sought.

Article XVII

Expenses related to the transportation of the person sought shall be
paid by the requesting Party. The appropriate legal officers of the country
in which the extradition proceedings take place shall, by all legal means
within their power, assist the requesting Party before the respective judges
and magistrates.

No pecuniary claim, arising out of the arrest, detention, examination
and surrender of persons sought under the terms of this Treaty, shall be made
by the requested Party against the requesting Party.

Article XVIII

The ratifications of this Treaty shall be exchanged in Washington as soon
as possible.

This Treaty shall enter into force upon the exchange of ratifications and
will continue in force until either Contracting Party shall give notice of
termination to the other, which termination shall be effective six months after
the date of receipt of such notice.

This Treaty shall terminate and replace the Extradition Treaty between
the United States and Spain signed at Madrid June 15, 1904 and the Protocol
thereto signed at San Sebastian August 13, 1907; 1 however, the crimes listed
in that Treaty and Protocol and committed prior to the entry into force of this
Treaty shall nevertheless be subject to extradition pursuant to the provisions
of that Treaty and Protocol.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Plenipotentiaries have signed this Treaty and
have hereunto affixed their seals.

DONE in duplicate, in the English and Spanish languages, both equally
authentic, at Madrid this twenty-ninth day of May, one thousand nine
hundred seventy.

For the United States of America :
WILLIAM P. ROGERS

For Spain :
GREGORIO L PEZ BRAVO

(NOTE: This link is to a PDF, not a web page)
http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_60000/23/4/00044167.pdf
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:19 PM
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1. The United States would sooner break that treaty than honor an extradition request...
it sets a bad precedent(in the US's view), after all.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:19 PM
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2. Gee, I guess we just have to extradite them
don't we? :)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:22 PM
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3. Will the Obama administration comply with a treaty the U. S. government signed?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:26 PM
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4. I'm sure everyone will first go to what's written in X.D
That seems to be where thew wiggle room is.

The real issue might well become who takes what sides.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:27 PM
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5. In that event
it would become nigh on impossible for them to travel outside of the USA anyway - assuming them not to be extradited.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:41 PM
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6. Bingo .............
My guess is that this is a deal brokered between the Obama government - only with about a zillion levels of diffusion between the Spanish government and ours - and that this is how those fuckers might be nailed without having our current administration be directly involved.

I think this is the kind of brilliant Obama machination we're going to see more and more. After reading about how talks took place between our guy and Iran's guy while Obama was standing up and taking heat for his Afghanistan policies the other day, I am convinced that we truly did elect the right guys.

We got what we wanted, and I think we might not yet even appreciate how good they are:

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:13 PM
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7. Man .... that's a stretch.
I think it is more likely that the Spanish judge who started the ball rolling is simply doing what he does ..... his most high profile "do" to date having been Generalissimo Augusto (Big Gus) Pinochet.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:21 PM
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10. Those judges don't do things on their own -
they're political animals and they do political acts.

It's not such a stretch, really. Back-door diplomacy and wheeling/dealing are time-honored traditions among all governments. The choice of Spain isn't accidental, given the court's experience, yes, with Pinochet.

None of this stuff just happens, and no country on earth would, on its own, institute any kind of action against any former rulers (it galls me to use that word to refer to Chimpy Fucknuts). It just doesn't work like that, since the tables could so easily and horribly be turned on them.

It's all diplomacy, and then it is folded into the law. Quite the ballet moves ...............
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:16 PM
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8. Extraordinary rendition
was good enough for the neocons. How fitting it would be if the worst of them were hog-tied and hustled across borders to await trial for their war crimes?
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:20 PM
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9. I don't see any wiggle room.
That is extremely thorough and well-written boilerplate.

I see no wiggle room in "prima facie evidence". in X.D.


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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:26 PM
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11. "Book 'em, Danno" - The League of Justice (and Hawaii 5-0)
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 05:26 PM by SpiralHawk

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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:37 PM
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12. Not gonna happen
"Neither of the Contracting Parties shall be bound to deliver up its own
nationals, but the executive authority of the United States and the competent
authority of Spain shall have the power to deliver them up, if, in its discretion,
it be deemed proper to do so."

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 06:49 PM
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15. Yup ... laws have loopholes .... they always do
I am as far from a legal expert as can be imagined. But that citation of yours seems to be one of them ..... assuming our government has no taste for this.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 06:55 PM
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16. Even when they don't have loopholes, some folks are ABOVE them.
If that weren't true, the entire Cheney/B*sh Administration
would have been in shackles by mid-2002.

LAWS only apply to little people like you and I.
Cheney and B*sh will get a hearty chuckle out of this Spanish development,
and that's about the only effect it will ever have upon their lives.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:39 PM
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13. it would certainly make for some interesting politiking
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:42 PM
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14. Hire them to give a speech in Madrid.
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