Aspartame,Donald Rumsfeld and formaldehyde

[Swede]

I just saw a news blip about this. Here are a couple of links

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/consumer-awareness/41930-sweet-misery-aspartame-turns-formaldehyde.html

http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/?p=1051

[kestrel91316]

1. It took years, but I finally figured out it was aspartame that was giving

me premature ventricular contractions (PVC's). It got so bad a couple years ago I was in the ER with ventricular bigeminy, and was dizzy and short of breath from it.

Now that I have ID'd the cause and avoid it, I have ZERO problems. And if I use it, I can start them up again (I've experimented).

YMMV. I can't condemn the stuff for other people. I used it for 20 years with no problems.

[Schema Thing]

5. Just curious, what were you drinking that had aspartame?

[kestrel91316]

6. Mostly my coffee and tea, which I used Equal in rather liberally.

Also diet sodas.

[Schema Thing]

11. Yeah, I drink massive quantities of diet coke. Caffeine

is the ingredient in that known to cause all sorts of problems when abused, including premature ventricular contractions. Aspartame might too, of course, in some people.

[Kansas Wyatt]

2. Over 25 years of guzzling diet pop with Nutrasweet.

And I mean multiple cases every week.

I have not experienced any of the problems they were talking about. Since I'm not dead yet, I cannot say whether it will take me longer to decompose.

Based on my experience of approximately 3 cases of Nutrasweet pop a week for the last 25 years, this story is bullshit.

[rurallib]

3. don't forget tamiflu.

the man is like a meth maker on a universal scale.

[bridgit]

8. you got it, mega big bizz in fomenting pan epidemics then somehow having profited access...

to the one thing people need to cure them...very pernicious, very nefarious

[beac]

4. Name three things that you should never have in your Cabinet?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Chemtrails, mass hypnosis, Boeing.

Put it together, people.

[Lex]

9. LOL.

woo woo

[bridgit]

10. don't forget these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QD7U0ogXWM&feature=PlayList&p=F3A63C467B7C72BC&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpL3_n9RXPM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqtbR_01fo&feature=related

[Roadless]

12. Aspartame is a poison.

If you value your health, don't drink it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Yes, absolutely.

The billions of people who've consumed it for decades now are going to keel over any second.

[Roadless]

14. Hey look, it snowed! No such thing as global warming

nm

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Oh, you'd like to discuss actual science?

Because science says aspartame is safe.

Given your anti-scientific claims that it's a poison, I'd figure you were more of the global warming denier type.

[Roadless]

16. Science said Vioxx was safe too.

We can never be sure what chemicals are safe unless we have absolute certainty that our testing technology is as advanced as it could possibly be.

And it isn't. We are s till a Type 0 civilization in that regard. We need to be at least Type 1 to even begin to have a real understanding of our intake and our true effects on this planet.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Science said that Vioxx wasn't safe.

"We can never be sure what chemicals are safe unless we have absolute certainty that our testing technology is as advanced as it could possibly be."

Are you certain that dihydrogen monoxide is absolutely certainly safe? I hear the kids put it in their energy drinks these days.

[Sebastian Doyle]

18. "Science" used to say tobacco was safe

Or at least the Tobacco Research Institute® "scientists" did.

And I'm sure the Searle/Monsanto "scientists" are paid just as well for their lies.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Science shows that tobacco is certifiably unsafe.

Next argument, please.

[Roadless]

26. At one point, it didn't.

Science had to catch up. Same with DDT which almost wiped out the national symbol.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. So you're saying that tobacco might be safe?

Because, while science says now that it's unsafe, maybe it hasn't caught up yet?

[trotsky]

38. Actually, science knew for a long time that tobacco was unsafe.

The tobacco execs paid for bogus science, designed to obfuscate and cloud. Much like you are doing.

[SidDithers]

20. Are Searle / Monsanto "scientists" the only ones saying it's safe?..nt

Sid

[Sebastian Doyle]

22. Creation Research Institute "scientists" say that God created the earth 6000 years ago

Judging by your signature pic, I'll bet you don't agree with that one.

Relevance? Just another case of "scientists" who were paid to come to a predetermined conclusion.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Creationists aren't really scientists.

Much like the people who claim aspartame is a poison.

[Roadless]

27. I don't think so.

I think there are enough "white flags"to push it back and wait for science to catch up(just like smoking, just like DDT, etc).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Uh huh.

So what scientific tests do you think need to be performed to prove the toxicity of aspartame.

[Roadless]

31. "Hey gang, DDT is great!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT

First synthesized in 1874, DDT's insecticidal properties were not discovered until 1939. In the second half of World War II, it was used with great effect among both military and civilian populations to control mosquitoes spreading malaria and lice transmitting typhus, resulting in dramatic reductions in the incidence of both diseases. The Swiss chemist Paul Hermann Müller of Geigy Pharmaceutical was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1948 "for his discovery of the high efficiency of DDT as a contact poison against several arthropods."<2> After the war, DDT was made available for use as an agricultural insecticide, and soon its production and use skyrocketed.<3>


"science says it's AOK! Ain't DDT great! I love it!"

"yay!"

In the 1970s and 1980s, agricultural use of DDT was banned in most developed countries. DDT was first banned in Hungary in 1968<25> then in Norway and Sweden in 1970 and the US in 1972, but was not banned in the United Kingdom until 1984. The use of DDT in vector control has not been banned, but it has been largely replaced by less persistent alternative insecticides.


"wha?"




There are enough white flags, and enough intelligent people who rail against aspartame to put it aside for now IMHO.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. DDT was indeed a great insecticide.

Unfortunately, nobody bothered to test DDT on raptor reproduction.

When they did, they found out it was toxic.

Like when they tested aspartame for toxicity in humans, and found out it wasn't.

"There are enough white flags, and enough intelligent people who rail against aspartame to put it aside for now IMHO."

I think you mean red flags, but either way- there aren't any. Science conclusively shows aspartame is safe. People who clame their are holes are the intellectual equivalent of the people who say the same thing about evolution or global warming. I've never met any intelligent person who's railed against aspartame, and I don't expect to, since to rail against it is to rail against logic, reason, facts, and scientific rigor.

[Roadless]

35. I have met plenty of great people who advise against it

People who make very good livings as dcotors, and who treat their patients with great care and a concept of continuing to learn about medicine.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. You shouldn't believe every one you meet.

Even nice ones with lots of money.

[Roadless]

37. Some are siblings whos opinion and knowledge I trust very much.

Others are uncles, others are friends.

They are all very intelligent people who have spent years in schools learning how to observe and treat people who are sick.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Oh, well, if they're related...

it still doesn't matter.

[SidDithers]

25. Yeah, but a few "paid scientists" is not the same thing...

as a broad scientific consensus. The creation scientists are not part of the consensus about evolution. The Searle scientists are part of the consensus about the safety of aspartame.

Sid

[TrogL]

21. Please present details proving your claim.

And don't start in about it converting to formaldehyde. It doesn't.

[Roadless]

24. Speaking from personal experience

I have family members in the medical field. One is an ob/gyn who recommends an aspartame free diet for her patients. The other treats stroke patients and issues a no-aspartame intake. The other has seen some pretty nasty side effects for neuro lyme patients who ingest aspartame, and significant improvements when that is removed from their diet.

Personally, when ingesting a few cans of diet soda a day, I noticed black spots in my vision, headaches and increased light sensitivity. Not everyone respondes to chemicals the same way.


The EPA considers methanol a toxin. Those who consume considerable amounts of diet soda are going way past the recommended daily allowance.



JOURNAL OF APPLIED NUTRITION, VOLUME 36, NUMBER 1, 1984 REPORT ASPARTAME: METHANOL AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH

DR. WOODROW C. MONTE

ABSTRACT


This new methanol source is being added to foods that have considerably reduced caloric content and, thus, may be consumed in large amounts. Generally, none of these foods could be considered dietary methanol sources prior to addition of aspartame. When diet sodas and soft drinks, sweetened with aspartame, are used to replace fluid loss during exercise and physical exertion in hot climates, the intake of methanol can exceed 250 mg/day or 32 times the Environmental Protection Agency's recommended limit of consumption for this cumulative toxin. Continue reading Dr. Woodrow C. Monte's Methanol Research.

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. Mark Penn admits to drinking 5 - 10 cans of Diet Coke a day.

Proof that it causes brain damage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/magazine/02wwln-q4-t.html

The Chimp also drinks Diet Coke like it was water. Or like he drank booze before he supposedly met Jesus.

[Deja Q]

34. A very slow acting poison.

:(

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