Shamwow guy's handywork.

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/entertainment/celebrity_news/Vince_ShamWow_Guys_Prostitute_Fight_Arrest_20090330

[geek tragedy]

1. Just wait.

Someone will be in here to talk about how he was the victim with the standard 'what about teh menz" victimhood stuff.

[Ghost in the Machine]

11. Maybe if you educated yourself about the case, you'd *know* he was a victim also...

Shlomi met Sasha Harris, 26, at a Miami Beach nightclub on February 7 and subsequently retired with her to his $750 room at the lavish Setai hotel. Shlomi told cops he paid Harris about $1000 in cash after she "propositioned him for straight sex." Shlomi said that when he kissed Harris, she suddenly "bit his tongue and would not let go." Shlomi then punched Harris several times until she released his tongue. The affidavit, a copy of which you'll find here, notes that during the 4 AM fight Harris sustained facial fractures and lacerations all over her face (she is pictured here in mug shots snapped following busts in 2008 and 2005). After freeing his tongue, a bleeding Shlomi ran to the Setai lobby, where security summoned cops. Harris refused to cooperate with officers, who recovered $930 from her purse. "Both parties had a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage emitting from their persons," police reported. In a brief telephone interview, Harris declined to answer TSG questions about her run-in with Shlomi, though she did say she is considering a lawsuit against the pitchman. Asked if she worked as a hooker, Harris declined comment. As seen in the below mug shot, Shlomi was also injured during the fracas and, court records show, was treated at Mount Sinai Medical Center. While Shlomi and Harris were both arrested for felony aggravated battery, prosecutors this month declined to file formal charges against the combatants.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0327092sham1.html

What would *you* do if someone had *your* tongue clamped down in their teeth and wouldn't let go?

[geek tragedy]

16. she allegedly bit his tongue.

I wouldn't try to buy a woman, since I don't believe in the whole sexual exploitation thing.

[silverojo]

22. Yeah, what the hell was she thinking?

If you bite someone's tongue and refuse to let go, how did she think he was going to react? I mean, she ought to be getting some assault charges slapped on her, too. What he did was self-defense.

Of course, I think he should get charged for picking up a hooker, but that psycho bitch needs to do some time for such a sick crime.

[geek tragedy]

27. 'psycho bitch'

misogyny much?

[ddeclue]

29. What part of biting a person's tongue off is OK with you?

The B word is not politically correct but the psycho label seems dead on accurate.

[depakid]

23. Look, dude didn't do that to her face with his tongue between her teeth

She bit the guy (memo to Vince: don't kiss hookers) -and then he punched her out.

[ddeclue]

25. Um no it is believeable that he punched her to get his tongue back

and yes Vince is stupid to a) be picking up hookers and b) be sticking his tongue in their mouths.

:eyes:

[geek tragedy]

30. Yeah, hard to beat someone about the face

if your face is stuck to theirs.

Of course, everyone is going to assume that the male celebrity is telling the truth and the cheap street whore bitch slut got what she deserved.

[ddeclue]

37. Neither one of them are someone I'd believe or trust..I'm going off the booking pictures.

I actively disliked him just from his commercials... My first take on this misleading OP was that he beat up his girlfriend because it seemed in character for this creepy TV pitchman but I had to edit my first post after reading the actual story. The OP owner sucked me with a cheap shot post in but I read the story and am on to his /her game.

[Ghost in the Machine]

33. You were there?

You should have taken pictures, you could have made a fortune from the tabloids...

[depakid]

39. No, I just have a rudimentary understanding of anatomy and physics

:eyes:

[ddeclue]

44. Rudimentary is right... I've got a degree in engineering so don't play the "physics" card with me.

His fists could reach every place on her face that was hit. There were no fist hits to her mouth which is what I would expect if the hits were post biting and he was free to hit her anywhere. They are all on her eyes nose and upper face.

PWNED...

[depakid]

47. See post 42 below

[Ghost in the Machine]

62. I wouldn't even label your "understanding" as rudimentary...

.. in fact, I'd say that you don't know jack shit.

Please explain, in detail, how anatomy and physics won't allow me to punch someone in the eye that's standing right in front of me...

I certainly wouldn't have given her an uppercut to the jaw, she would have bitten my tongue off. DO you have a "rudimentary understanding" of self defense? How about 'close quarters combat'?

Save your eye rolling for someone who gives a fuck, ok?

[depakid]

76. Another denisen of the clueless

Try it for yourself and see how much you could apply- or where you could land a blow from that angle in that position-

Believe me, with those comments, you're not going Koestler proud.

[Ghost in the Machine]

83. There's no need to call yourself names, or put yourself down....

We've already established that you're clueless...

What part of "Please explain, in detail, how anatomy and physics won't allow me to punch someone in the eye that's standing right in front of me..." was a foreign language to you that you didn't understand? You failed to do so in your reply.

As for trying it my self, I already *know* what *I'm* capable of doing. I trained in the martial arts and self defense for most of my life. I'm quite adept at close quarters combat, and I used to get paid to beat people up. Given my choice, I'd rather fight someone in close quarters, like a bathroom stall, or even a phone booth...

This isn't about me, though... this is about you backing up your claims and showing your understanding of anatomy & physics, and explaining how it would prevent someone from doing what shamwow guy did.

You *can* explain it, with your "rudimentary understanding", can't you?


Thanks,

Ghost

[depakid]

84. "I trained in the martial arts and self defense"

an internet tough guy!

:rofl:

Dude- Shamwow guy's not Bruce Lee; he's not breaking cheekbones with his tongue stuck between some girls teeth!

Probably lucky to have tongue left as it is.

Thanks for the amusing comments though....

[Ghost in the Machine]

85. Are you really this stupid, or is it just an act?

Why do you keep dodging the issue, which is YOU backing up YOUR claims. I have a low tolerance for ignorance. Quit changing the subject and back up your assertions. Moving the goal posts doesn't help your case..

As for your "internet tough guy" bullshit, it really doesn't merit a response, but here goes... no, I don't play an "internet tough guy". I did, however, lead a very rough and violent life in my younger days. Maybe you can research some of my old threads... not all of us here are pacifists. Not all of us lived "leave it to Beaver" or "Richie Cunningham" lives like good little cub scouts and all american boys. I used to be an enforcer for a very notorious bike gang *and* the Aryan Brotherhood.

Since you seem to be too ignorant to have an intelligent discussion with, I'm done with you. Like I said, I have a low tolerance for ignorance.... go ahead and have the last word, you're not worth responding to again...

Have a nice day....


Ghost

[azurnoir]

58. There are a couple of things here

one from the link in the OP

Both Harris and Shlomi were arrested, but prosecutors dropped the case.

why would they do that and from your link she "refused to cooperate with police" I wondered if a couple of those bruises were not from the arresting officers, she is a known hooker it would not be unlike them.

[ddeclue]

60. Maybe but I think Shammy guy did them with a right jab close in.

that hit her in the eye and continued across the nose.

[azurnoir]

74. There was also one on her jaw in the profile shot

that is why I wondered

[obiwan]

77. Prostitution is illegal. Vince the Shamwow guy was soliciting a prostitute...

...which is also against the law.

Victim, my ass. He was breaking the law.

[MrsBrady]

86. they both sound like fine, upstanding people

I'm sure he had no alternative but to pay someone for sex.
I'm sure he really respects women.
:sarcasm:

[SoCalDem]

88. She spent $70 on the way to the lobby?

:shrug:

[ddeclue]

2. Damn! I didn't like him just from the commercials...and now he does this?

on edit: It seems that she bit him first - it sounds like self defense if the news article is correct. I'm afraid you don't get to try to bite someone's tongue off and get a free pass to do it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. Well to be fair, she bit his tongue and wouldnt let go. Here's his mugshot

[sakabatou]

4. Sham-WOW what an ugly piece of shit.

[Liberal_in_LA]

7. He's got money looks like: $750 room and $1000 cash to the young woman

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0327092sham1.html

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. Eh, not good enough at DU

Can't touch a woman, no matter what she does to you.

Last week there was that story about the guy who was handcuffed and being bitten by his ex-wife and screaming in pain to the 911 operator because he didn't want to hit her to get her to stop because he knew it would get him arrested. Not surprisingly, it dropped like a rock with little (mostly snarky) or no comment.

[geek tragedy]

8. Like clockwork

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5361495#5361501

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Hey, I saw it the first time.

Vince Shamwow guy is likely the liar and creep in this incident, but that doesn't change the fact that there are cases where men get abused and won't fight back. Violence perpetuates violence.

I take it you won't have the courage to comment on the case I mentioned.

[geek tragedy]

14. Of course there is a small percentage of violent assaults

that are perpetrated by women against men. But, they are just that--a very small percentage.

What I find fascinating is that some men can't discuss men's violence towards women without throwing a defensive "but what about ___" and trying to change the subject to teh menz as victims.

[ddeclue]

17. Umm usually YES it is men abusing women but I think you picked the wrong anecdotal case this time.

Look at his mouth in the mug shot. It seems to back up his claim to me.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

24. I can discuss the bigger issue without the "but what about" stuff

"What I find fascinating is that some men can't discuss men's violence towards women without throwing a defensive "but what about ___" and trying to change the subject to teh menz as victims."

The problem is, here's a case that's not the 90 plus percent of typical asshole woman/wife beaters slapping a woman around for the hell of it. There may be mitigating circumstances behind it. You're trying to dismiss it to the rankin file by marginalizing those who simply ask "What do you do in a case like this?"

[ddeclue]

15. Shamwow dude's mouth seems to back up that she tried to bite him...

look at all the bruises and what looks like bite marks around it. It's not like he's marked up anywhere else, just his mouth.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

35. Maybe she bit him because he overpowered her during rough sex?

Maybe she got rough in a little biting foreplay and he flipped out? Who knows? Her injuries look pretty severe for the "Just trying to get her off me" defense. Both parties' lips seem fucked up, which seems to back up that there was some sort of biting/pulling action there.

[ddeclue]

38. Who knows but you don't have the right to maim someone by biting off their tongue

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

45. Well, one way or another, someone's self defense story...

...likely won't hold up. No matter who struck first, it looks like the other went too far.

[ddeclue]

49. OK how did she bite his tongue AFTER he hit her?

That's like "officer his car door backed into my taillight"...

:eyes:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

56. Again, maybe he was being rough with her and she told him to stop and he didn't.....

I have no interest in speculating on the seedy details anymore than I have, but if they were both drunk who knows what the hell could have happened?

[ddeclue]

61. OK possible... biting seems stupid when she could have punched or kicked him in the balls.

it would have been far more incapacitating than biting the tongue but neither of us were there.

In the absence of her cooperating with the police and with a plausible self defense justification, I don't see how she's gonna be successful in an assault lawsuit. At the very best it's he said she said, worst case, she attacked him and he defended himself, that's what it looks like to me,

[ddeclue]

13. Biting someone's tongue off is a serious assault..

We're not talking about a simple slap or punch from her that he should have let go. You don't get a free pass for trying to bite someone's tongue off any more than you do for hitting somebody with a blunt object like a bat or a golf club or stabbing or shooting. Even if you are a man and your assaulter is a woman you have a reasonable right to defend against that kind of assault at least to the point of getting your tongue out of danger. He doesn't get to keep whaling on her after that point but he does get to keep his tongue.

:eyes:

[depakid]

9. Looks like he's still got a little dried blood there on his chin!

:rofl:

[Liberal_in_LA]

12. She's got blood in her hair!

[depakid]

20. The before & after's going to cost ole' Vince six figures

[ddeclue]

21. Not necessarily - it looks like she started it.

I mean how can you explain his bloody mouth in his mug shot unless she bit first and he hit in response?

Does it make since that he hit her first and THEN she decided it was safe and wise to get close enough to kiss him and then bite him?

Common sense says it happened the other way around - in which it case it was simple self defense on his part and in fact he could sue HER for assault. Indeed his tongue is a very important part of his livelihood as a TV pitchman and she might have damaged his ability to make a living.

Doug D.

[depakid]

32. I'm sure he'll counterclaim

Hope he's got good pictures....

Fact is, he laid into her like a punk. Unless there's more, I'd rule $100,000 + plus her meds.

[ddeclue]

34. Sorry but he has a right to self defense so I'd vote to let him walk

and I don't think a judge would allow such a case to go forward in the first place.

[depakid]

36. This was retaliation and NOT self-defense

and yep- vince is a fucking punk, and if he knew what was good for him, he'd settle up and make this go away.

[ddeclue]

40. And you know that HOW??? Were you there taking pictures..

his story seems plausible and fits with the pictures and news story from what I can tell.

[depakid]

42. How about this- get your SO and try a reinactment

get back to us with the results....:P

[ddeclue]

46. get my "SO"???.. sorry but I lost my magic acronym decoder ring..

and NO I'm not interested in any re-enactments...not with my tongue.

[depakid]

55. Significant Other

OK- you're an engineer- how much force does it require to inflict facial fractures? And what's that contusion on her nose? How'd she get the blood in her hair? (my bet- bloody nose).

He didn't do that to her while his tongue was in her mouth. He laid back popped her with roundhouse a right. Maybe two.

[ddeclue]

59. Um no it really doesn't take that much to break someone's cheek

or nose and he seems like a pretty big guy and she seems to be rather petite so yes I could see it.

He struck her with a jab from his right fist into her right eye and it continued across her nose. The blood could be his or hers or both... hard to say.

If he was free and clear and had some room he would have hit her lower in the jaw or square on the nose. Her marks are all higher up. These hits seem consistent with a person striking from the side from very close in to me.

Doug D.

[depakid]

63. Oh, he was close- but not face to face tongue in teeth

He can't hit the side of her head with nearly enough force from that position. That abrasion and swelling on the left- now that's consistent with his description of the struggle.

Even if you don't have two for the "proper reinactioment," LOL -you still try the angle for yourself.

[ddeclue]

65. He's a grown man probably 180-200 lb...he's lucky his punch didn't out and out kill her

yes of course he could inflict that much damage with a serious punch like I'm talking about and given that she was biting his tongue, he probably wasn't playing around when he did it either.

[depakid]

66. Give it up

She wasn't biting his tongue while he fractured her facial bones! No reasonable juror is going to conclude that (though he might be able to buy an expert would try to show how it could maybe happen).

[ddeclue]

67. You need to give it because you really don't have a clue

I'm a reasonable juror who has been a juror before on a big cocaine trial and that is my conclusion and in fact several people here tonight have concluded it also.

:eyes:

[depakid]

71. I guess there's no reasoning with some folks- even though the objective proof

is right here in front of their own face.

What a coke trial has to do with anything- I haven't a clue.

[ddeclue]

72. You're right there is no point in arguing with you because you are choosing to ignore the obvious

evidence in front of your face.

The point is that a judge a prosecutor and defense attorneys considered me a reasonable juror and picked me to sit on their case and I've been through the process and know what is expected of a juror.

Doug D.

[depakid]

75. That's not what makes a reasonable juror

then again, you'd have to have been on the other side of the bar, so to to speak, to understand how that works.

But not to digress- you go on rationalizing the ridiculous. Meanwhile, if I'm Vince's counsel, my advice is pony up and make this go away- quietly.

[MADem]

18. Is that a hospital gown he has on with a coat over it?

He looks like his tongue is screwed up.

What a pair of losers, IMO. They're both assholes. Looks like a match made in heaven.

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. Yeah, they both have hospital gowns on

[anigbrowl]

5. They both suck

Biting his tongue and refusing to let go was a bit anti-social as well. Of course, a more appropriate countermeasure would have been to simply pinch her nostrils shut until she let go, but Vince Shlomo doesn't seem all that bright.

[saltpoint]

26. $750 for a room? Do I have that right?

Jesus.

[ddeclue]

28. Depends on where in Miami Beach but absolutely yes...

Art Deco places like the Tides on Ocean Blvd are extremely expensive. What hotel was it in by the way?

Doug D.

[saltpoint]

31. I'm not slamming the hotel, but any number of such arrangements

are made in more modest inns across the world, seems like.

For all the more pleasure these two got out of their evening, I'm thinking a Super 8 would have sufficed for well under $100.

[ddeclue]

41. No Super 8's nearby on South Beach...it's pretty high rent

and consider that he's someone who probably has a lot of money to spend and didn't want to go to a dump motel. Although it begs the question, why does he need to pick up hookers?

[saltpoint]

43. Beats me. I see that the real estate is pricey out on the strand.

These folks are running in circles I guess I just don't run in.

[ddeclue]

50. When I lived in South Florida I used to go out to Ocean Drive probably 8 or 10 times a year

and I've been a few more times since moving to Orlando...

I've never stayed in the hotels though because they are ridiculously expensive. The clubs are pretty pricey but not totally unaffordable.

[saltpoint]

51. I've been there just a few times but the thing that stuck with me most

was the drive cross the causeway from the barrier strand into Miami at night.

It seemed to put Miami in a whole new light as a dazzling, cosmopolitan city. I was very impressed.

[ddeclue]

53. It really is a really cool place to live... I often wish I still lived down there.

Last fall I was working back down there temporarily but only made it down to Miami twice in the three months I was there because I was too busy (I spent two weeks in England out of the 12 weeks on the job).

Right now I'm unemployed again but I'm still looking at jobs located down there if any open up.

[saltpoint]

57. Well I hope there is an opening and that you get that assignment.

I'm rooting for you.

[ddeclue]

64. I'm actually hoping to get one over at the space center or here in Orlando

because moving is too much work..

:)

[saltpoint]

68. Well here's hoping it happens, and that it happens as close to your

best terms as possible.

I'm often jealous of people who live in Florida, especially in the summertime, when the skies fill with thunderclouds in the afternoon. It's very beautiful there in summer. The sky especially. And all the snowbirds have vacated and the beaches aren't as crowded.

Good luck on the assignment. I hope it comes through for you.

[ddeclue]

69. The price we pay is hurricanes... I can live with that though...

Doug D.

[saltpoint]

70. Hunker down for those. I saw the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew

and got a powerful impresson of what a storm like that can do.

It's interesting how both the hurricane that eventually wiped out Galveston and Katrina both crossed over Florida. It's true -- hurricanes rumble through there now and again, and sometimes they really mean business.

I've seen the photos of Flagler's railroad through the Keys before the 1935 storm, and then after. Whoa.

[ddeclue]

73. I've been thrrough 4 - one believe it or not in Atlanta - Opel

in the 1990's. The other three were all within 6 weeks of each other in 2004 - Charley Frances and Jeanne.

[saltpoint]

48. I'm thinking Nancy Grace will want to do a 2-hour Panel show on this

one.

Tailor-Made.

[ddeclue]

52. Anything that will get her off the Kaley Anthony story..

I live in Orlando and I'm sooo sick of her pontificating... she did this about another case like this out of Orlando a few years back until the mom who was the suspect committed suicide and they were never able to solve it after that. I find her self righteous, self serving and anything but impartial in these cases - she always assumes the suspect is guilty and has had to take that back and eat crow a couple of times but she never really apologizes for trying suspects in the media or getting the facts wrong (that Alabama girl that got killed in the islands for instances...)

I really can't stand her and wish CNN would pull her show. CNN used to have real news on it until they adopted the tabloid trash model.

Doug D.

[saltpoint]

54. Agree. Nancy Grace aims for the lowest common denominator in a story and

hits it every time.

Easily among the worst programs in television history.

I hope someone with some clout at CNN is lurking here tonight and reads your post. They should follow your advice and yank the show.

[mahina]

79. It's tragedy porn. She and CNN are making money off of their ghoulish, macabre,

obsessions. It's nasty, especially when they pretend all the while that they're concerned about the little girl. Just gross.

[obiwan]

78. There's a lot of gossippy children on this thread.

This whole thing is wrong- both parties broke the law here.

Judge not lest ye be judged- no one here was there. Let it go- it's insignificant in the long run.

Five years from now you will not remember this.

[JI7]

81. from looking at her face, i don't believe he was able to do that while she was biting

his tongue. assuming she did bite him he most likely pushed her away and then went on to beat her.

[mahina]

80. Matching PJ's

how romantic.

[JI7]

82. he was able to hit her on her mouth while she was biting his tongue ?

[sendero]

87. This should be simple....

... but I can't find the FACTs anywhere.

Did this guy have bite lacerations on his tongue? The shape of said lacerations would indicate whether he did it ) or she did it (.

If she did it, case dismissed. If not, charges. See how easy it is with FACTS?

[Vinca]

89. Lawyers are now lining up around the block.

Show that to a jury in a civil case and this woman is the new owner of the Shamwow empire . . . or storage locker . . . whatever.