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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:26 PM
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Feith Responds To Spanish Charges: ‘I Never Advocated’ For Torture, I Was Just ‘Giving Advice’
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 12:27 PM by babylonsister
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/feith-spain-torture-oreilly/

Feith Responds To Spanish Charges: ‘I Never Advocated’ For Torture, I Was Just ‘Giving Advice’


Last week, a Spanish court said it would consider opening a criminal case against six Bush administration officials “over allegations they gave legal cover for torture at Guantanamo.” Yesterday, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, one of the officials implicated in the complaint, went on Fox News to defend himself in front of torture advocate Bill O’Reilly.

Feith argued that the charges that he helped approve torture are completely bogus. “I’m being criticized for a position that I never advocated. And so the facts are just wrong,” he said. Feith said he was simply giving “advice” to President Bush and had no role in “directing” torture policy:

FEITH But there’s also a broader point of principle here, which is what the Spanish authorities are considering doing is indicting people, former U.S. government officials for giving advice to the president. And the idea that a foreign official can disagree with advice given to the president, they’re not talking about action. And they’re not even talking about directing people to take action. They’re talking about people who were advising the president on policy and legal questions.

“This is an effort to intimidate U.S. government officials,” Feith alleged.


Watch it at link~

But last year, Feith himself bragged in an interview with British law professor Phillippe Sands that he played a pivotal role in ensuring that Geneva protections against “outrages upon personal dignity” did not apply to detainees:

I asked Feith, just to be clear: Didn’t the administration’s approach mean that Geneva’s constraints on interrogation couldn’t be invoked by anyone at Guantánamo? “Oh yes, sure,” he shot back. Was that the intended result?, I asked. “Absolutely,” he replied. I asked again: Under the Geneva Conventions, no one at Guantánamo was entitled to any protection? “That’s the point,” Feith reiterated. … “This year I was really a player,” Feith said, thinking back on 2002 and relishing the memory.


Indeed, Feith’s arguments became official U.S. policy with the signing of a presidential memorandum on February 7, 2002.

Feith’s knee-jerk denial that he pushed for torture is nothing new. “We took an extremely strongly pro-Geneva Convention position in the Pentagon,” he said last April. Speaking with O’Reilly, Feith also made sure to go after Sands. “What’s going on in Spain is implementing, essentially, an, idea that a British lawyer has been proposing, a guy named Phillippe Sands, who wrote an extremely dishonest book on the subject,” he said.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:30 PM
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1. You KNOW this will be on KO and Maddow tonight..you just know it.
Gee, "the stupidist man on earth" sounds a tad bit defensive...and guilty.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:32 PM
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2. Isn't he the same person Tommy Franks described as "the stupidest fucking guy ever" or something
like that?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:34 PM
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5. That's him
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:36 PM
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7. Yes, and this from a Feith bio...
http://www.nndb.com/people/100/000047956/

Described by General Tommy Franks as either "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet" (according to Franks' autobiography) or "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the Earth"
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:06 PM
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13. I want to test this theory of Franks'. I'm thinking of taking up a collection for
a couple of tickets to the Canary Islands. Surely he has no fucking clue where that is. Then I call as a fake radio DJ. Tell him he's won a round trip and once he lands I'll drop a dime to the Spanish authorities. :evilgrin:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:32 PM
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3. No surprise
Neocons are the same kinds of cowards as the Nazi's turned out to be when faced with judgment on their actions.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:11 PM
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17. accountability and responsibility -- not at the top of the priority list
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:32 PM
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4. I find it encouraging that Feith is nervous about this
Nervous enough to go on O'Really to address it and contradict things he said previously. He seems genuinely nervous. Good.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:31 PM
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20. Ditto
Squirm worm squirm
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:35 PM
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6. Tell it to the judge Doug.
I'm sure he'll understand.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:37 PM
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8. But... but... but... but...but... but... but...
Squirm you worm.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:39 PM
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9. Personally, I think intimidating government officials from giving illegal advice to the President
is what we ought to be doing. More intimidation, please.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:41 PM
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10. I never raped anyone. I was just giving them my sperm.
Fuck you, Feith, you feckless, fart-for-brains, foul, fucking fuck, you. When I think back to all the damage that you personally caused and helped create, all I can think of is fuck. you miserable, stupid, dangerous, fucking, shit filled fuck.

To all DU members: I apologize for using the word shit in this rant. My temper runs away from me when I see red.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:26 PM
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16. Ha! Forgiven! nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:54 PM
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11. "I was just giving advice" ...
... the 21st Century version of "I was just following orders."

Fucking pig.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 12:55 PM
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12. I am hopeful this quote by Feith will haunt him in the near future:
“This year I was really a player,” Feith said, thinking back on 2002 and relishing the memory. I asked him whether, in the end, he was at all concerned that the Geneva decision might have diminished America’s moral authority. He was not. “The problem with moral authority,” he said, was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”

-snip
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/02/feith-only-assholes-are-concerned-about-torture/
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:10 PM
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14. 'The problem with moral authority'
How did these criminals manage to take over this country?

I just read in another post on DU today, that the neocons are regrouping with a new document, similar to the PNAC, outlining, once again, this country's future role as a global influence! Needless to say, it's not much different to the PNAC.

Maybe we the people can claim 'we didn't know what they were up to' wrt the past, but we definitely cannot claim that now as the same names surface once again.

So, what can be done to stop them? When they first appeared on the scene in the early 'nineties, people rightfully viewed them as 'insane', but as we now know, they simply persisted, waited for the 'right' administration to take over, and for an 'event of the magnitude of Pearl Harbor' to occur to 'get the people on board' for war and torture and eventually took over this country. So, ignoring them is not an option this time.

If Obama fails, they will be ready to move in again. I wonder if he realizes how important it is to start investigating and prosecuting them for the crimes they've already committed? And if this country won't do it, then someone else will have to imho.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:21 PM
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15. yes, and it's not just Republicans who are joining (Jane Harmon):
Newest Neocon Outfit Hosting Afghanistan Forum With Sen. McCain And Rep. Harman

Largely under the radar, some of the major neoconservative figures who fashioned the rationale for the Iraq war have set up a shop for shaping future trends in American foreign policy.

And while the Foreign Policy Initiative does not have friends within the White House to whom it can push its agenda, it is not lacking for pull among senior elected officials, including Democrats.

FPI, whose founders and principals include Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, and Dan Senor, will host a summit next Tuesday titled "Afghanistan: Planning for Success." Billed as a "half-day conference" to "discuss how the United States and our allies can succeed in Afghanistan," the event will feature appearances and discussion from Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Rep. John M. McHugh (R-N.Y.) -- ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee -- and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who chairs of the House Homeland Security Intelligence Subcommittee.

"I know these people and recognize where they're coming from," the Congresswoman said of her appearance at the event. "I'm coming from a different place and want to be sure that point of view is heard. My point of view will be extremely sympathetic to the Obama Administration position on Af/Pak."



-snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/newest-neocon-outfit-host_n_179654.html





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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:28 PM
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18. K&R
:kick:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:30 PM
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19. I hope the Spanish don't convict him
Spain doesn't have the death penalty. Let's send him someplace that does.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:33 PM
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21. Tell it to the judge
Maybe he''l spare your life if you squeal on Bush & Cheney
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