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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:48 PM
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Douglas Feith, the chickens have come home to roost. And you are a liar.
Feith Responds To Spanish Charges: ‘I Never Advocated’ For Torture, I Was Just ‘Giving Advice’ , March 31, 2009





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Yesterday, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, one of the officials implicated in the complaint, went on Fox News to defend himself in front of torture advocate Bill O’Reilly.

Feith argued that the charges that he helped approve torture are completely bogus. “I’m being criticized for a position that I never advocated. And so the facts are just wrong,” he said. Feith said he was simply giving “advice” to President Bush and had no role in “directing” torture policy

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Douglas Feith, the chickens have come home to roost. And you are a liar.


It's time to resurrect this groundbreaking article on the violent birth of the Bush Torture Policy, and Douglas Feith's direct role in said policy.


The Green Light

By Philippe Sands
May 2008


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I sat down with Feith not long after he left the government. He was teaching at the school of foreign service at Georgetown University, occupying a small, eighth-floor office lined with books on international law. He greeted me with a smile, his impish face supporting a mop of graying hair that seemed somehow at odds with his 54 years. Over the course of his career Feith has elicited a range of reactions. General Tommy Franks, who led the invasion of Iraq, once called Feith “the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth.” Rumsfeld, in contrast, saw him as an “intellectual engine.” In manner he is the Energizer Bunny, making it hard to get a word in edgewise. After many false starts Feith provided an account of the president’s decision on Geneva, including his own contribution as one of its principal architects.

“This was something I played a major role in,” he began, in a tone of evident pride. With the war in Afghanistan under way, lawyers in Washington understood that they needed a uniform view on the constraints, if any, imposed by Geneva. Addington, Haynes, and Gonzales all objected to Geneva. Indeed, Haynes in December 2001 told the CentCom admiral in charge of detainees in Afghanistan “to ‘take the gloves off’ and ask whatever he wanted” in the questioning of John Walker Lindh. (Lindh, a young American who had become a Muslim and had recently been captured in northern Afghanistan, bore the designation Detainee 001.)

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.....the Bush administration simply abandoned all legal and customary precedent that regards Common Article 3 as a minimal bill of rights for everyone.

In the administration’s account there was no connection between the decision on Geneva and the new interrogation rules later approved by Rumsfeld for Detainee 063; its position on Geneva was dictated purely by the law itself. I asked Feith, just to be clear: Didn’t the administration’s approach mean that Geneva’s constraints on interrogation couldn’t be invoked by anyone at Guantánamo? “Oh yes, sure,” he shot back. Was that the intended result?, I asked. “Absolutely,” he replied. I asked again: Under the Geneva Conventions, no one at Guantánamo was entitled to any protection? “That’s the point,” Feith reiterated. As he saw it, either you were a detainee to whom Geneva didn’t apply or you were a detainee to whom Geneva applied but whose rights you couldn’t invoke. What was the difference for the purpose of interrogation?, I asked. Feith answered with a certain satisfaction, “It turns out, none. But that’s the point.”

That indeed was the point. The principled legal arguments were a fig leaf. The real reason for the Geneva decision, as Feith now made explicit, was the desire to interrogate these detainees with as few constraints as possible. Feith thought he’d found a clever way to do this, which on the one hand upheld Geneva as a matter of law—the speech he made to Myers and Rumsfeld—and on the other pulled the rug out from under it as a matter of reality. Feith’s argument was so clever that Myers continued to believe Geneva’s protections remained in force—he was “well and truly hoodwinked,” one seasoned observer of military affairs later told me.


Feith’s argument prevailed. On February 7, 2002, President Bush signed a memorandum that turned Guantánamo into a Geneva-free zone. As a matter of policy, the detainees would be handled humanely, but only to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity. “The president said ‘humane treatment,’ ” Feith told me, inflecting the term sourly, “and I thought that was O.K. Perfectly fine phrase that needs to be fleshed out, but it’s a fine phrase—‘humane treatment.’ ” The Common Article 3 restrictions on torture or “outrages upon personal dignity” were gone.

“This year I was really a player,” Feith said, thinking back on 2002 and relishing the memory. I asked him whether, in the end, he was at all concerned that the Geneva decision might have diminished America’s moral authority. He was not. “The problem with moral authority,” he said, was “people who should know better, like yourself, siding with the assholes, to put it crudely.”




Doug Feith, prepare your defense.








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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:55 PM
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1. yep, prepare it... and "siding with assholes" is not, by the way, a valid argument
so you'd better try something more convincing. :evilgrin:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:58 PM
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2. Why warn these assholes? Encourage them to travel. Spain is beautiful this time of year!
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 01:59 PM by mod mom
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:52 PM
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11. We should send him the DVD set of Mario Batali's road trip in Spain
to put him in a traveling mood. :)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:04 PM
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3. And, Eichmann was just scheduling trains to "the East".
aka - "Just following orders"
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:20 PM
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4. Didn't ya hear, only the economy matters now
Those pesky lil' ole war criminals are "so far down on the list of important things as to be a joke". Yes, that's the view heard right here on DU.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:23 PM
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5. (sigh!) Looks like Tommy Franks was right about this guy.
:evilfrown:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:11 PM
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8. Edited for salty language...
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 03:11 PM by formercia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30904-2004Jul31.html

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Franks confirms the account in "Plan of Attack," by Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward, which described friction between Franks and Feith. Franks calls the undersecretary of defense for policy "a master of the off-the-wall question that rarely had relevance to operational problems." He adds, "I generally ignored his contributions."

Franks later quotes himself as saying during the planning for the invasion of Iraq that Feith had achieved the reputation in some military circles as "the dumbest . . . guy on the planet."

--snip--

more like: "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet."
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 06:24 PM
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16. Addington: "Don’t bring the Tjags into the process—they aren’t reliable."
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Addington was particularly distrustful of the military lawyers. “Don’t bring the Tjags into the process—they aren’t reliable,” he was once overheard to say.

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David Addington, chief of staff for Vice President Cheney, left, and former Justice Department official John Yoo, wait to testify Thursday before the House Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties subcommittee hearing on interrogation methods.
Susan Walsh / AP June 26, 2008



God, how these criminals still walk free.


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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:43 AM
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18. Rachel Maddow recently brought up that quote
I think it's hilarious that Feith will forever by associated with that quote. :rofl:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:27 PM
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6. "Chickens" nothing
This is just the first outlying scout. The whole herd of chickens is still just over the ridge, waiting for a chance to roost on the head of the dumbest motherfucker on the planet.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:04 PM
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7. THIS IS THE SAME AS - IRAN-CONTRA AND OLIVER NORTH
North was military thru and thru. He took orders without asking questions, he did as he was told. WHEN everything was uncovered, all the witnesses, the testimony, everything. NOTHING HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO GAVE NORTH THE ORDERS. NOTHING.
We all know where the orders came from in this decades scenario, don't we? Their boys were TOLD what was wanted, AND THEY PROVIDED IT!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:13 PM
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9. and North was happy to describe his role under immunity
It was all sterilized to eliminate the relevant facts, but no matter....
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:23 PM
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10. Well unless this was a taped conversation it is just his word against Feiths.
Now if he had made those statements in front of a TV camera then we would have solid evidence that torture was premeditated all the way to the top.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:23 PM
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12. The Green Light
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:52 PM
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13. Dougie, Dougie, Dougie...now who said:
"This was something I played a major role in."

Oh that's right...it was YOU, Dougie!

:rofl:


Republicans; stupidest MFing idiots on the planet.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:54 PM
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14. his face always reminds me of a puckering asshole nt
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 04:56 PM
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15. "the facts are wrong"
:wtf: Imagine using that for your defense, imagine the guy with the barstool dui using the facts that he was drunk and on a motorized barstool using those facts and telling everyone "the facts are wrong".
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:39 AM
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17. he's right down there
with rice, cheney, gw, when it comes to being just a motherfucking liar. notice how it was faux news he turned to in order to get his fucking lies out there without anyone hitting him up for the truth. not that msnbc or cnn would have been much better.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:54 AM
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19. And don't forget this factoid about little Dougie
Sibel Edmonds fingered him as one of the main players involved in selling nuclear secrets to Pakistan.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 01:05 PM
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20. SMACK!
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