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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:58 AM
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Who Finances Somali Pirates?
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:16 AM by Hannah Bell
Who Finances Somali Pirates?

Piracy has start-up & maintenance costs. Boats, guns & men cost money, & historically, pirates were often financed by capitalists who took a cut of pirate ventures or gained politically from them.

There's the obvious case of privateers, pirates in the service of governments. But even famous "independent" pirates often worked for behind-the-scenes money-men. For example, Captain Kidd was backed by some English lords & Robert Livingston the Elder of NY, first Lord of Livingston Manor (160,000 acres), & ancestor of a good fraction of the US Social Register.


This 2008 UN Security Council report confirms the existence of financiers:

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N08/604/73/PDF/N0860473.pdf?OpenElement

"In many respects, the organization of piracy operations is guided more by the
principles of private enterprise than military strategy and planning. Financiers,
including Boyah and a number of other prominent business and political figures
with fisheries assets, advance the seed money for the maritime militias to function.
Typically they provide the boats, fuel, arms and ammunition, communications
equipment and the salaries of the pirates, in order that they scout and seize vessels.
Increasingly, these advance teams appear to be benefiting from intelligence provided
by contacts who monitor major ports in neighbouring countries.

...the financier must identify a sponsor (or team of sponsors) who will underwrite the
costs of the operation in exchange for a share of the ransom. Once this is achieved,
the financier directs the captured vessel to a “refuge” port, where his ground team
can ensure provisions and local protection pending payment of ransom. The team
may also include negotiators with foreign language skills, local officials and elders.
Eventually, a host of other actors also become associated with the operation: senior
government officials who provide political cover and protection, money launderers
who help to transfer ransom payments or exchange unwanted currency notes..."


According to the report, in 2006 there were just "a few dozen" pirates, based in fishing communities, rooted in grievances over foreign fish poaching & waste dumping. They evolved into 1000-1500, linked through clan & militia networks. The financiers & sponsors are said to take about half the ransom money, the pirates 30%.

Thus, the pirates are no longer (if they ever completely were) just a bunch of poor fisher-guys who decided to commandeer a ship. They work for bigger fish who outfit & command them.

Somalia's a poor country. Per capita GDP = $600. 40% of GDP comes from livestock, 10% industry. Livestock & bananas are 65% of export earnings. Most Somalis live at subsistence level. So where do the "financiers & sponsors" get their capital?


Somalian spheres of influence (info from the UN report)

Somalia's about the size of France but has a coastline as long as the US eastern seaboard.

It's been the site of proxy wars almost continually since the 1800s. It's not a unified "country". Control divides into rough thirds.


Northeast: Somaliland

Somaliland in the northeast has declared independence from the rest of Somalia. It gets funds from the European Commission, the British government, the United Nations, & cooperates with & reportedly receives military training from Ethiopia (US ally). It has an intelligence service, which receives funding from Britain.


North-central: The TFG

Somalia's northern & central territories are semi-autonomous, in loose federation under the loose central authority of the Transitional Federal Government. The TFG/Somali police forces are mostly paid by the UN. Somalia's TFG area has an intelligence, "counter-terrorism," & policing service "largely funded by foreign governments," the only one named being the US.

The Puntland State within this federation has its *own* security & intelligence services (trained by Ethiopia), The US set up the intelligence services, & a private British military company (Hart Security Maritime, akin to corps like Blackwater) set up its Coast Guard. Puntland is a site of oil potential.


The Islamic South

Somalia's southern states are loosely controlled by the Islamic Courts Union. The UN report doesn't consider this region's administration legitimate. It's characterized as "Opposition to the Transitional Federal Government".

The South is allied with Eritrea, Ethiopia's enemy. Backers of Eritrea in its (70s-90s) independence fight with Ethiopia included China, Syria, & Egypt.

The report says the various southern opposition groups are funded by Eritrea, businesses, the Somalian diaspora, clans/militia, & 'al-qaeda'.

Thousands of Ethiopian troops were, at the time of the report, stationed around Mogadishu, a flash-point in the disputed territory roughly dividing north & south Somalia.


Who Finances Somali Pirates?

The two main base sites for pirates are Puntland & Galmudug, both inside the TFG sphere of influence. The individuals mentioned as pirate leaders a/o financiers in the UN report are:


Farah Hirsi Kulan “Boyah”: Based in Puntland. No other information.


Garaad Mohamud Mohamed

According to the UN report, based in Harardhere, Galmudug. However, Global Security says he operates around the Southern Islamic sphere of influence: "The National Volunteer Coast Guard (NVCG), commanded by Garaad Mohamed, is said to specialize in intercepting small boats and fishing vessels around Kismayu on the southern coast." (To whom would those "small fishing boats" around Kismayo belong?)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/pirates.htm.


Mohamed Abdi Hassan “Afweyne”:

Based in Harardhere, Galmudug. Supposedly member of Suleiman clan, one of the subclans of clan Hawiye (Habar Gidir). Hawiye is the supra-clan of the former Prime Minister (2004-2007) of Somalia, Ali Mohamed Ghedi, who plans to run for office this year.

Mohamed Abdi Hassan ('Afweyne') or a relation, is mentioned in this 2006 report:

"On Monday August 14, according to Mail & Guardian, Middle East Online, Nasdaq and the BBC, the Islamists announced that they had taken over two coastal towns, Eldher and Harardheere, which had been used as pirate bases. As the Islamists moved in, pirates loyal to regional warlord Abdi Mohamed Afweyne moved out."

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002804.html


So the pirate leaders are based in regions funded by western governments, nominally controlled by western-approved compradors.

Furthermore, the UN report represents the pirates & their leaders as actors who also involved in arms & other smuggling. The pirate payoff networks are said to reach high into government & military officialdom.

They don't seem to be aligned with islamic forces in the south, e.g.:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5huZX1j35evP_2f7juvNifVKrMboQ


One of the UN group's recommendations refers to pirate "sponsors" in the Puntland government:

"the Monitoring Group believes that interdiction of arms trafficking across the Gulf of Aden and the imposition of targeted sanctions against key pirate leaders and their sponsors in the Puntland administration would represent a significant contribution to international piracy efforts."


Though the pirate networks are clan-based, they can't exactly be said to be rooted in "tradition". Tradition has been undercut & distorted by the influence of outside money & power, per Norway's independent monitoring agency, Country of Origin Information Centre (Landinfo):

"Clans are still important, but it is evident that clan loyalty is superseded by political, ideological and international conditions...one needs to examine the external power relations and the material benefits associated with such changes. And these have been exceptionally dynamic in the past decade. The clan system is amazingly adaptable to the changing demands of the international community, as well as the challenges of statelessness and pastoralism. In fact there is little doubt that the proliferation, fragmentation, and - in some cases - consolidation of clan identities were strongly influenced by the presence of outside, resource-rich groups, such as the United Nations and Western development agencies.'"

http://www.landinfo.no/asset/784/1/784_1.pdf.


In other words, big foreign money corrupts poor countries & destroys traditional folkways & authority in the same way drug dealers with big money corrupt poor communities in the US.


So it appears that western countries, wittingly or unwittingly, provide one of the major finance & influence streams for the pirates.


This commentary from another conflict gives food for thought:

"Since February, when the foreign aid was cut, the Palestinian Authority has been unable to pay salaries to its 160,000 employees. These workers provide direct livelihood to...almost a third of the population, and if their salaries are not paid...the Palestinian economy will totally collapse.

Both Israel and the United States are now thinking of ways to alleviate the dire situation—after all, no wants to be blamed for producing a famine. Together they have adopted a scheme that could be called the “Somalia Plan.”

The idea is to transfer salaries directly to the bank accounts of those 90,000 PA workers who are employed by civil institutions... The remaining 70,000 Palestinians who work for one of numerous security apparatuses...will not receive salaries. This will keep the economy just above the famine level, leaving 70,000 armed men with nothing but frustration and anger.

Under such conditions, a struggle is sure to break out among the different Palestinian warlords over the scant resources in the Occupied Territories...

If the existing skirmishes among the different factions develop into full-blown battle, it may very well be that certain segments of the Palestinian population will go hungry. Yet, it’s the warlords or faction leaders, rather than Israel or the United States, who will be blamed for the human catastrophe. We are, in other words, witnessing Somalia in the making..."


http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:kzffFw-1o8oJ:www.inthesetimes.com/article/2692/the_us_israeli_omalia_plan/+somalia+israel&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:07 AM
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1. Excellent. Follow the money...
"Puntland is a site of oil potential."

"The two main base sites for pirates are Puntland & Galmudug, both inside the TFG sphere of influence. The individuals mentioned as pirate leaders a/o financiers in the UN report are: Farah Hirsi Kulan “Boyah”: Based in Puntland. No other information."
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:10 AM
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3. Farah Hirsi Kulan “Boyah” /-> I have to search my archives I've got something on him.


.. I think it's concerning the oil deals of the late 80's and something about insurance frauds with fleets of junkyard ships. I'll post later.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:35 AM
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6. I've seen references to Yemen as well - I'm not sure if countries are funneling
money through there? But obviously there's a lot of interest in this country. Must be a decent amount of oil under there.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:45 AM
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11. Yemen-Somalia is like on of the big Middle East - African smugglers routes.

We are talking guns, slaves, and drugs here. Big time.

I am ambiguous on the oil. I think we let Somalia collapse because in the early 90's it seemed not enough to start a fuss about. But things seem to have changed.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/1993/85/4766

http://www.rcwhalen.com/_articles/washingtonpost_com%20In%20Somalia,%20the%20Saudi%20Connection.htm


I mean yeah. It's pretty strange. No oil in Somalia, no interest from the US. Then the french pop up in 2001:

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cna11088.htm

and now, all of a sudden, they are talkin' oil like there's plenty.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nta53713.htm

and then the "mysterious stuff" happens

http://www.somalilandtimes.net/196/10715.shtml


All these links should be found on the site:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Somalia%27s_oil_industry

I am using a downloaded version and cannot guaranty that the links are all the same still, although they should be.

I really wonder how the geopolitics of this ties into the Puntland-Criminal gang and the other warlording, jihadist factions.
I still have a lot of research to do.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:05 PM
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17. The links work & fascinating reading - I will keep looking as well.
Conoco, Amoco, Chevron and Phillips --> big surprise, huh.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:14 PM
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19. Natural Gas Pipeline -
I should've known there would be a pipeline involved (Yemen): http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=24783

More on that deal with Range and who they were working w/in Canada: http://www.canadianbusiness.com/technology/companies/article.jsp?content=20070409_85390_85390 (interesting because the article outlines exactly how much oil they think might exist under Somalia)
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:35 PM
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22. Gotta love that one. Interesting link.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 12:39 PM by Democracyinkind
Your a pretty bright one it seems. thanks.

You know what I like best about these crooks: They seem to be so much better informed than we are. Snip from your second link:

"

"It's a very good place to look for giant oilfields, and there aren't many places like that left in the world," says Canmex CEO Rick Schmitt, who is quick to dismiss the notion the Muslim country's fragile political situation could prevent the company from making any progress. This is despite the fact that some of the worst fighting in years broke out in March, with media reports estimating more than 100 people have been killed so far. "We don't have any concerns. Otherwise we wouldn't be working there," says Schmitt. Canmex acknowledges in its filings, however, that "the risk of war, terrorism…or nullification of existing or future concessions" could derail exploration efforts.

"

The anarchy doesn't seem to bother his business. Wait. I thought we didn't explore the oil because it was too dangerous? Yet Ricky doesn't seem to have problems with anarchy. Maybe a little "derailment", but hey, that's the market nowadays!

Edit: posted later:

another thing that caught my eye: about the Range deal with Puntland. Seems Ranger is worth looking into.

"

Initially, the deal did not go over well with Prime Minister Gedi in the capital, Mogadishu. He wrote a letter to the Australian Securities Exchange arguing the concessions were not valid because only his government had the power to authorize them. But Gedi later expressed his full support for the venture. How Range was able to negotiate such a deal is a bit of a mystery even to Schmitt. "It's difficult to say how they got in there, but they've made a very successful job of it,"

"
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:02 PM
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30. I knew it. TBF please read!


It didn't take to long after searching:

http://business.theage.com.au/business/mining-firm-tied-to-somali-oil-pirates-20081119-6bld.html

My girlfriend is just serving dinner. So maybe you'll beat me to reading this. I don't know who the author is and if he is legit. The paper didn't look suspicious on first sight. Maybe this is something.
I'll be sure to check it out further and post after dinnner.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:36 PM
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32. So, to summarize, we've got a transitional government with people taking bribes
and no real authority to negotiate anything, oil companies on the prowl trying to figure out how to get their equipment in, and a populace of very poor people who have grown up with the option of piracy (along with assorted drug running etc) because there is little else to do, especially since those fish aren't going to taste too good after swimming around in the nuclear waste being dumped off-shore.

Along with that, the Canadian company, in conjunction with the Australian folks, paying bribes in hopes of securing all mineral rights. Kenya (which means western oil) doesn't like that so they are going in through the backdoor to try to assert that they own all rights.

CIA in the middle of it because they are always on site throwing money around to "protect American interests".

Yikes. The pirates are the least of the problems.
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JoseGaspar Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:55 PM
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36. Some grist for your mill...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20568369-1702,00.html

"October 12, 2006
Article from: Australian Associated Press
AUSTRALIAN resources explorer Range Resources has signed a $US50 million ($67.50 million) deal with Canadian-based Canmex Minerals to help it look for oil in Somalia.

Canmex will be the operator of the exploration, which is located in the northeastern state of Puntland, and has to complete a minimum of four exploration wells to secure an 80 per cent stake in the project.

A production sharing agreement is expected to be finalised between Range, Canmex and the Puntland government by the end of next month.

Melbourne-based Range is exploring for oil, gas, nickel and uranium in Western Australia, Peru and Puntland.

Shares in Range gained 0.3 of a cent to 3.2 cents by 1329 AEST."

Just to add to the mystery, Range Resources Ltd is a tiny company ($7.2M). Range Resources Inc., on the other hand is a major darling of the U.S. hedge fund set. The second Range is based in Fort Worth, Tx and is 1000 times as large as the first Range.

Wonder if there is any connection?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:07 PM
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37. Yes, this part is quite interesting -
"Just to add to the mystery, Range Resources Ltd is a tiny company ($7.2M). Range Resources Inc., on the other hand is a major darling of the U.S. hedge fund set. The second Range is based in Fort Worth, Tx and is 1000 times as large as the first Range."

This is the website for Range Resources Inc. - http://www.rangeresources.com/

I couldn't find any connection to the Australian company in their Annual Report, but I didn't go through all their corporate documents. Will bookmark for future use - thanks.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:14 PM
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47. another snip that caught my eye - Pirates=CIA moneymaking scheme 4 our friends in Puntland?

from: http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3061246/part_3/what-i-learned-from-the-somali-pirates.thtml (Dec08)
"
Behind the pirates are godfathers and investors from clans closely related to Somalia’s Western-backed president in Mogadishu, Abdullahi Yusuf. A veteran warlord with blood on his hands, Yusuf owes his life to a liver transplant from a British donor in a London hospital. Most of Yusuf’s lieutenants are ethnic Somalis who hold British or European Union passports. Western countries including Britain have given substantial funding to Yusuf’s forces, regarding him as an ally in the war on terror against the Islamist insurgents fighting his government.

Yusuf and his close circle hail from Puntland, Somalia’s north-eastern semi-autonomous region. Estimates are that at least six ministers in the Puntland government, which is allied to Yusuf, are involved with the pirates — together with two former police chiefs and sundry mayors. Puntland’s police forces were trained by the United Nations using British funding. But in some port towns pirate gangs are now paying police salaries. Puntland is the modern world’s first genuine pirate state.

Somali piracy has become extremely efficient, with ransom payments organized via lawyers in regional African capitals. Ex-SAS officers have been employed to deliver ransom payments in cash to the pirates on the high seas. My information is that the pirates behave like perfect gentlemen once the money is handed over and they always release the boats in good humour. For years, US Navy ships have skirmished with pirates and arrested them on the high seas. But in recent months I have heard repeated allegations that US Navy ships have enjoyed friendly relations with pirates off Puntland. In one story, pirates were invited aboard a US Navy ship for a cup of coffee and a smoke, while the Americans showed gang members national flags of ships that should be left alone

"

the last part of the article... don't know what to make of it... Did we maybe steer clear of the pirates because we had "special relations?" The scenario of us inviting them on board seems a bit far off --- would giving them some intel and turning our heads away when they go after the rest and maybe tipping them off keep them from going after american vessels for so long? Then again. we have tried the craziest things.

But if the Pirates Home base is Puntland, and the "gov" of Puntland consists of some of the pirate-bosses, why is Puntland hailed as the "stable" part of Somalia? Especially after we know the explosive Puntland/Somaliland oil dispute mentioned above?
Have we pulled a pro-Puntland putsch in Somalia making use of Ethiopian forces? Then placed a well connected, oil-deal making, pirate financing/backing kingpin minority from the oil rich Puntland in place in Mogadishu? All the presidents Pirates couldn't help him though, and the Islamists took over again. At least everything outside of the capitol. And although we stuff millions and millions into Puntland, although we have the company there working with their intel, we can not root out the pirate-backers though we know them to be the Puntland ministers themselves?
Call me crazy but this part, this side of the story smells like a CIA scheme to generate money for an il legit third world gov. . In fact it is classic. This is Khun Sa reloaded man, minus the drugs, plus the pirates.

The question I would throw into the round is. Why have our friends turned on us suddenly? Change of administration? Something to do with the folks in Texas cutting the deal?
Obviously something turned in 2009. What am I missing? What has changed since then? Suppose the claim of our little cease-fire deal with the pirates is true, what brought them to break the deal now?
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:36 PM
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50. A woman named Michelle Lynn Ballarin is our company gal down there.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 05:43 PM by Democracyinkind
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=6343209&page=1 (Nov08)

Talking about Ballarins trip to Somalia where she is greeted as "amira" (queen) and where she had tea with the pirate wheeler dealers. She spoke of "freeing all 400 or so hostages held" ... Seems that didn't work.

Funny thing is, Miss Ballarin is not only our gal in Mogadishu, no, she's a Virginia based business woman horny for deployment of her private army - you know, the legit mercenaries (albeit with expertise in "assisting native combat forces"). Talk about clusterfuck. Keep an eye on her business(es):

Select Armor, Inc.

Black Star (THE solution for failed 3rd world states)


Now another strange thing is that the Ukrain claims that Michelle thwarted their negotiations with the pirates last year. They were closing the deal when suddenly Michelle popped up and the pirates lost interest. That was last year. Gotta read more about the story first. Strange, stranger.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:44 PM
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52. This keeps getting more interesting. No wonder our flippin' budget
deficit is so large. Is our CIA "smoothing relations" in every area of the globe that has potential oil and/or natural gas for us to plunder? Rhetorical question.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:55 AM
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57. Rhetorical answer:


Our boys in Mogadishu are failing. We can't send the cavalry. They start attacking our ships too.

A reason for an intervention?

Honestly, are we being set up for a quagmire in Somalia? I don't want to go to far here but things seem rather odd. Could this whole thing be hyped as to lure in some international troops to take up the fight with the islamists on behalf of our Puntland friends?
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:08 AM
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2. Great find, great post! Rec!


A lot of info I trust on the systematized pirates. It will be allot easier discussing this subject when we are able to distinguish the organized criminal pirates vs. the jihadists and the smaller fractions (the ones really unpopular here). I hope this thread does just that.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:24 AM
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4. The USA for starters
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:28 AM by dipsydoodle
by funding the warlords to help prevent the Islamic militia from taking over - usual paranoia about Al-qaida bases etc.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/527884/experts_say_us_funding_somali_warlords/index.html
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:26 AM
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5. duplicated itself
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:26 AM by dipsydoodle
n't
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:36 AM
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7. Don't bother me with real information
I have a made for TV action movie in the works and no amount of realpolitik can change my narrow view of heroic efforts by good citizens of The Homeland.

:sarcasm:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:58 AM
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15. This is neither black nor white, so therefore I cannot see it.
Assuming all pirates are exactly the same with exactly the same motivations seems to be a common meme here lately.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:40 PM
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23. I think they AHHHHR AHHHR AHHHR!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:37 AM
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8. Yesterday, they were poor little bandits or environmentalists, but today
they're well-financed pirates?

Which is it?

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:41 AM
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9. Guess you missed this:
"According to the report, in 2006 there were just "a few dozen" pirates, based in fishing communities, rooted in grievances over foreign fish poaching & waste dumping. They evolved into 1000-1500, linked through clan & militia networks. The financiers & sponsors are said to take about half the ransom money, the pirates 30%."




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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:43 AM
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10. They don't care if they contradict themselves. It's all about the height of the pile of shit.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:47 AM
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13. No contradiction. and it's not me saying it, it's a UN Security Council report..
"According to the report, in 2006 there were just "a few dozen" pirates, based in fishing communities, rooted in grievances over foreign fish poaching & waste dumping. They evolved into 1000-1500, linked through clan & militia networks. The financiers & sponsors are said to take about half the ransom money, the pirates 30%."


You might try reading the post before commenting. I know it's a lot of words, but that's because real life isn't a soundbite.

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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:50 AM
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14. "You're in love with pirates and wanna have babies with them" I don't need to read.


baah baah.

I think you're fighting the tide here, it's a damn shame.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:47 AM
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12. They were the former 15 years ago, if ever. I love your argument.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:57 AM by Democracyinkind

Huuu... " they love pirates... they wanna make babies with them"

If you don't find this interesting why bother to write?

Leg pissing isn't that much fun now, is it?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:12 PM
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18. What? Answer the damn question or don't bother responding.
Which is it?

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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:27 PM
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20. Today? Both, predominantly the organized forms (warlords/jihadists/organized crime)

back in the days (early 90's, guess up to mid 90's, maybe longer) it was predominantly the former. And I don't know how righteous they were, just that they had (and, for the part that they are responsible today) different reasons and modes of operation than the latter.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:35 PM
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21. he answered it, so did i, & you're just trying to muddy the water.
don't bother responding yourself.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:49 PM
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25. No, the subsequent comment was an answer.
Still, people can't have it both ways: claiming these are well-financed criminals and environmentalists.

According to the report, in 2006 there were just "a few dozen" pirates, based in fishing communities, rooted in grievances over foreign fish poaching & waste dumping. They evolved into 1000-1500, linked through clan & militia networks. The financiers & sponsors are said to take about half the ransom money, the pirates 30%.


How much goes to cleaning up the environment? Face it they're criminals. Period.





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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:53 PM
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27. Thanks for bumping the thread again.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:18 PM
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59. kick
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:01 PM
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16. AIG probably....to hike marine underwriting....nt
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 09:05 PM
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54. AIG is heavily involved in Ransom Default Swaps.
Taxpayers will be taking another bath to pay the counterparties in agreements involving the Maersk Alabama.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:44 PM
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24. Finances.... my checking account could finance these guys
5 guys with nothing to lose = $0.00
5 used AK47 @ $300ea = $1500
beat up worn out used motorboat = $600
beat up outboard motor = $200

Total cost maybe $200 - $2400 if that.

figure a pirate who alreayd scored a cut of $2mill could never risk his own neck again.
simply become a "businessman" and finance others to take all the risk for a small cut of the return.

Of course conspiracy theories are more fun.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:50 PM
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26. The report is from the UN Security Council. Guess they're "conspiracy theorists" in your book.
Or else you didn't read the post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:08 PM
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38. SECURITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZES STATES TO USE LAND-BASED OPERATIONS IN SOMALIA...
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:41 PM
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41. you miss the point. not unexpectedly.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 02:43 PM by Hannah Bell
btw, the bush government: also criminals. 1 million dead for a lie.

why aren't they under arrest? where are the soldiers & tanks?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:21 PM
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42. What's the point?
And what does Bush have to do with it?

This was my original question:

Yesterday, they were poor little bandits or environmentalists, but today they're well-financed pirates?

Which is it?

Seems people are trying to excuse the actions by claiming that these pirates were originally environmentalist.

Today, they are criminals.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:50 PM
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43. oh, it's you. not worth bothering.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:17 PM
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48. Yet you bothered.
No point, huh?

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:25 PM
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49. keep kicking it....
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:28 PM
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31. While you may have what it takes to become a pirate
I doubt you could compete with these guys. Read a few of the articles upthread if you have a genuine interest in the topic. There's a lot more going on here then a few bored kids with nothing to lose.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:54 PM
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28. By the way. Since I often get confused by all the factions, this article helps:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:59 PM
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29. Excellent work as usual, Hannah! k+r, n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:38 PM
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33. K&R
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:40 PM
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34. The Obama bashers here at DU do.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 01:46 PM
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35. k&r n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:15 PM
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39. Another take on this: piracy primarily an outgrowth of traditional clan rivalry
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 02:56 PM by leveymg
and a way of funding various political factions contending for the strategically-located port city of Berbera, historic capital of Somaliland, and the roadways and airstrips nearby. Control over key real estate and main transportation arteries along the north-eastern coast is a factor that one should consider in determining motive and opportunity. Look at the major foreign allies of these groups as a source of external intelligence, funding and organization. Finally, which larger regional powers have motive to intervene, and why would anyone want at some future point in time to assert control, perhaps momentary, over sea and air at the mouth of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden?

BTW: thanks for your hard work on this diary! Good stuff.

Here's a view from 40,000 feet strategic look: have to fly down the Red Sea to do so. ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x127651

Looking at the terrain locally, Consider this: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=4200

Somaliland's achievements with respect to peace and stability have attracted a proportionately larger share of international assistance than other parts of Somalia. Since donors will not provide direct assistance to its unrecognised government, most of the money is funnelled through UN agencies and NGOs who have played a central role in provision of social services. There can be little doubt that the quality of life for many Somalilanders — if not most — is far better today than it had been under the remote and increasingly hostile government in Mogadishu, which channeled less than 10 per cent of its development resources to the north. Like neighbouring Djibouti, most government revenue derives from transit trade with Ethiopia along the Berbera-Dire Dawa transport corridor.

Berbera's proximity to central Ethiopia means that it is the most advantageously positioned of Somali ports for cross-border trade. Many unionists believe Somaliland is too small and poor to survive independently of Somalia, not least because the government's revenues currently amount to a paltry $35 million per year. But Somaliland has consistently managed to stretch that figure to support a small but functional administration: with greater access to foreign investment and international financial support, there seems to be no obvious reason why Somaliland could not successfully build on this remarkable track record of self-reliance.

Growing Pains

On May 18, the self-declared Republic of Somaliland marked 15 years since it proclaimed independence from Somalia. Although its sovereignty is still unrecognised by any country, the fact that it is a functioning, constitutional democracy distinguishes it from the majority of entities with secessionist aspirations.

While the rest of Somalia dissolved into anarchy and bloodshed following the collapse of General Mohamed Siad Barre's dictatorial regime in

January 1991, Somaliland opted for a very different trajectory. A grand conference of the northern Somali clans restored peace to the region and announced that Somaliland had withdrawn from its 1960 union with Italian Somalia.

Much of Somaliland had been destroyed by the regime's scorched earth campaign against the insurgents of the Somali National Movement (SNM), a guerilla force rooted largely in the Isaaq clan — the largest single clan in Somaliland: more than 50,000 people had been killed and roughly one million driven from their homes — many of them across the border into Ethiopian refugee camps.

Clan-based reconciliation in Somaliland succeeded where the UN's nation building efforts in southern Somalia, backed by over 30,000 peacekeepers, failed. As southern Somalia remained under the rule of warlords and hemorrhage refugees, hundreds of thousands of Somalilanders began returning home to rebuild their shattered lives.

The path to stability was not smooth. Somaliland's first government, headed by a former diplomat and SNM chairman Abdirahman Ahmed Ali "Tuur", plunged the territory into civil strife when it attempted to wrest control of the lucrative Red Sea port of Berbera from local clan and militia leaders. Traditional elders intervened to end the conflict, paving the way for a new transitional charter and the formation of Somaliland's first civilian administration, headed by Mohamed Haji Ibrahim Egal.

Egal was a veteran politician who had helped steer Somaliland from independence to unity with the south. In 1969 he had been serving as Somalia's last democratically elected Prime Minister when President Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke was assassinated by a member of his own bodyguard and Siad Barre subsequently seized power in a nearly bloodless coup. Egal spent 12 of the next 21 years in prison.

Egal's government made rapid strides towards disarmament and demobilisation of clan militias, and breathed new life into government institutions. But in 1994, his attempts to impose government control over Hargeysa airport triggered a rebellion by clan militias, nominally under the leadership of his predecessor, Abdirahman "Tuur", who now espoused federalism. Once again, Somaliland was plunged into conflict.

The end of Somaliland's second "civil war" was resolved in part by awarding a greater share of parliamentary seats to members of "opposition" clans and in part through the development of an "interim constitution" which, after much negotiation and modification, served as the prototype for the current version.

In May 2000, Somalilanders voted overwhelmingly in favour of the new constitution, which established a multiparty electoral system, but retained an upper chamber of parliament whose 82 seats are distributed by traditional elders on the basis of clan. The incumbent president and principal architect of the new political system, Egal, died soon afterwards while visiting South Africa, and power passed peacefully and constitutionally to Vice President Dahir Rayale Kahin.


Finally, here's a quote from 1851 by Sir Richard Burton, who knew a thing about the importance of strategic places:

In the first place, Berberah is the true key of the Red Sea, the centre of East African traffic, and the only safe place for shipping upon the western Erythraean shore, from Suez to Guardafui. Backed by lands capable of cultivation, and by hills covered with pine and other valuable trees, enjoying a comparatively temperate climate, with a regular although thin monsoon, this harbour has been coveted by many a foreign conqueror. Circumstances have thrown it as it were into our arms, and, if we refuse the chance, another and a rival nation will not be so blind."


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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:38 PM
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40. K&R! For the first sane discussion of this topic that I have read today. n/t
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:56 PM
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44. Somali Hip Hop artist K'naan with a Somali perspective on pirates:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-vazquez/on-pirates_b_186015.html

I'm linking, if you read and disagree, please write to Huffingtonpost not me. Don't read it if you're not interested in what they say/think no matter what.
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ShareTheWoods Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:35 PM
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63. More justification of ransom seeking sea terrorists
From your link....
It is time that the world gave the Somali people some assurance that these Western illegal activities will end, if our pirates are to seize their operations. We do not want the EU and NATO serving as a shield for these nuclear waste-dumping hoodlums. It seems to me that this new modern crisis is truly a question of justice, but also a question of whose justice.
As is apparent these days, one man's pirate is another man's coast guard.


And yet nobody can come up with even a femto gram of claimed nuclear waste out of all the tonnes claimed to have been "dumped".
What's up with that? And how mach of the ransom loot has been spent on environmental cleanup of the radioactive wasteland?

Hey, where's the flagged Somali vessels patrolling the coast? Do they always shoot RPGs at the ships they intend to board?

The contortions some people go through to justify these hoodlums must ache very quietly.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:11 PM
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45. No, they are just subhuman enemies of freedom
Unlike you and I, who would never resort to such behavior if born into the same circumstances as those in Somalia, these people are evildoers and any efforts made to understand them, the different factions between them, and the situation they are in is just cowardly apologism for these terrorists. May the streets flow with the blood of these barbarous savages.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:30 PM
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46. we're good, they're bad. funny they operate out of areas *we* police,
linked to politicians *we* fund.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:42 PM
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51. I'm pretty sure the "Jihadist as Pirates" theory, which I previously stated, does not hold up.


I have now spent the day reading thanks to your interesting links!

I don't believe the Al-Shahab is a big piracy player anymore. Local sources, critical western sources, western journalists who've actually been there dismiss the claim. A good article pointing this out: (won't vow for the source but the article is 100% on point)

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2008/11/jana-shakarian.html

I'm marking her name. Jana Shakarian. Pushing Disinfo on Somali Pirates. Has an agenda. Connected to the MIC.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:25 AM
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55. yes, that was the point of my post. the connections so far as they can be determined
are with the us/uk/un installed gov'ts in the region. They operate out of that territory & the UN recs pretty much *state* they're protected by the gov'ts *we* fund.

another interesting thing is who's paid most of the known ransoms so far: #1 saudi arabia, 15 million; #2 japan, something like 6 million in 5 takes.

us/uk = 0.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:51 AM
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56. Maybe that is due to our "special relations" with the pirates (post above)

I've already learned alot but it truly is a rabbit hole.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:28 AM
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61. I'm wondering if the "special relations" you're referring to changed after our election?
I noticed the dates from the links of posts 50 and 51 combined with the article of your post 28.

President Obama's father was from Kenya and as a result he's considered a hero of sorts there and apparently some in Somalia aren't happy with the agreement noted in your post 28. Unless I'm misreading the date of the agreement between Kenya and Somalia, it happened approximately within the same time frame as the Maersk-Alabama was attacked.

Could there be a connection?
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 09:03 PM
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53. K&R
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:01 AM
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58. The more things "change", the more they stay the same. It's always about the resources
that can be exploited. Oops, I meant "developed".

Great post, Hannah.

Recommend.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:21 AM
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60. solution? ..............
After a couple of hundred years of republican wars, there are plenty of mercenaries - still alive - sitting on go for a few billionaire shipowners to round up a mercenary navy and create a new paradigm for dealing with pirates.

It would certainly give the talking heads something to talk about 24 hours a day for the foreseeable future. There is a fun component, too. Watching the Faux News component and wannabes tear themselves apart celebrating war and criticizing Obama for ........... everything.

Let the games begin!
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ShareTheWoods Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:42 AM
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62. You forgot the chariatable contributions of religous groups in the USA
Hell, they even get a tax write off for it.
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