First they came for the jobs, and I did not speak out-- because I was not unemployed;

[omega minimo]

First they came for the jobs, and I did not speak out--
because I was not unemployed;

Then they came for the environment, and I did not speak out--

because I was not unable to breathe;

Then they came for the free elections, and I did not speak out--

because I was not paying attention;

Then they came for the Bill of Rights, and I did not speak out--

because I was not hiding anything;

Then they came for the Constitution, and I did not speak out--

because Impeachment Was Off The Table;

Then they came for the enemy combatants, and I did not speak out--

because I was not under torture;

Then they came for the Rule of Law, and I did not speak out--
because I wanted my side to win an election;

Then they came for me--
and my rights had disappeared

and there was no one left to speak out for me.




http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm

[Occam Bandage]

1. I think this has to win the award for

"most ham-fisted attempt to co-opt Niemöller."

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. First they came for the ham-fisted... n/t

[omega minimo]

17. and I did not speak out I do not like green eggs and ham

Then they came for the clueless and I did not speak out because Soylent Green is Spam.

[EFerrari]

23. And that has to be the latest tone deaf failure to recognize a tribute

but, you have a reputation to maintain.

[omega minimo]

28. Well, the aesthetic, historic respect for the original is appreciated (I could've put a link in OP)

OH WAIT. I DID. :wow:

however the antagonistic tag team -- oh of COURSE it's about the WORK it's not PERSONAL learn the DIFFERENCE -- did not give an opportunity for me to agree........ sure it's awkward.

These are awkward times. Sure it's an "affront." Not half the affront on our rights, our freedoms and MY SENSIBILITIES about CAMPAIGN PROMISES, GLOBALIZATION, TORTURE, UNITARY EXECUTIVE POWERS, DOMESTIC SPYING, ILLEGAL WARS, UNELECTED CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATIONS NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND ----

oh, what was I saying?

:hi:

[EFerrari]

32. Casting your lustrous oyster fruit before fragrant pink rooters.

It happens.

:hi:

[omega minimo]

34. LOL

ow :rofl: :rofl: :spray:


speaking of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5501216&mesg_id=5501797

[cali]

40. being trite and full of tripe, it happens.

particularly it's perpetrated by the intellectually deficit crowd and the melodramatic.

[omega minimo]

42. Good morning, Sunshine!!

:grouphug:

[cali]

39. yes, indeed. it'd be hard to beat this limp attempt toco-opt Niemoller.

[omega minimo]

70. "Beat" "Limp" Dead Horse. Cali, did you sneak out of your clubhouse, cheeky monkey?

:evilgrin: :spank:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

98. It's like Pat Boone covering Little Richard.

[omega minimo]

111. It's like our rights don't really matter

[Hello_Kitty]

2. The DU Globalization Free Trade Brigade will nail you for the first one.

You're not supposed to want to protect your job. That's protectionist and xenophobic.

[Occam Bandage]

3. I'll settle for nailing it for

being a bizarre and disjointed hodgepodge of buzzwords and issues-du-jour crammed into a poem about the Holocaust.

[omega minimo]

5. I mean no disrespect to the poem. Methinks your agenda is more of your motivation to contest.

[Occam Bandage]

7. I "contest" because I find your poem an affront to art.

It's like seeing someone take Picasso's Guernica and cut-and-paste pictures of his ex-wife, a parking ticket, Keith Olbermann, a teabag, Somali pirates, a copy of the Constitution, and Al Franken on it. I wouldn't think it was disrespectful to the painting, because something so aggressively lame lacks the power to slander anything but itself.

[omega minimo]

8. I'm sorry. I assure you I would never do such. The continuing 'affronts' on our freedoms and system

and the RESONANCE I ASSURE YOU of this awkward-sounding lift of Neimoller's work will excuse the unintended art crime.

Our rights, freedoms, livelihoods, laws, trust, economy, physical safeguards FOUGHT FOR 700 YEARS AGO ON BEHALF OF TODAY'S SNOT NOSED INGRATES have been SOLD OUT by The Powers That Be which, as it turned out are Meet the New Boss Same as the Old Boss.

So before goin all Guernica and "ham fisted" on the OP how bout you justify how the entire promise of democracy and the American Dream has been hollowed out, TRIVIALIZED, brainwashed and eviscerated for the private gain of a choice few global elites, aided and abetted by our elected officials taking THE RULE OF LAW OFF THE TABLE and THEN talk to us about aesthetics.

THAT crime against humanity, history and posterity is "aggressively lame."

I assure you the power and integrity and resonance of Neimoller's work of art will sustain the current strain.

Can you assure us that this nation and our system will?

[EFerrari]

25. And that's why all of us aren't literary critics.

lol

[omega minimo]

31. Tell him I deeply respect art from affront to back...........

[EFerrari]

33. Doncha hate it when things get mashed together all crazy

lol

Buenas.

[omega minimo]

35. "You got Neimoller on my NAFTA." "You got NAFTA on my Neimoller" Good thing both are

off the table.

[MADem]

6. Yep.

Sort of minimizes the latter, and that just doesn't feel right to me.

[omega minimo]

9. Heroes of history fight on belhalf of those so clueless all they care about is infighting

[MADem]

10. Well, that's oblique. Knock yourself out, I guess.

[omega minimo]

11. "Oblique"?

:rofl:

yeah, I guess cluelessness is it's own reward.

esp. if there's someone unclueless working on your behalf to preserve your right to be clueless.

[MADem]

12. it's pretty clueless to take a poem about the holocaust

and stuff it full of whiney statements to create a rather offensive pile of horrid bullshit. But that's what you like to do. Then you like to insult people who object to your tasteless and idiotic foray into "failed" and truly dreadful poetry.

Here, a little rolling fellow right back at you :rofl: even though I don't find you amusing at all. I find your effort (if it can even be called that) sickeningly pathetic, inappropriate, and very offensive.

[omega minimo]

15. All your venom is personal. Neimoller in the spirit of his poem 'd be horrified at what is condoned

It is you who betray the message, not I.

Your personal attack is "sickeningly pathetic, inappropriate, and very offensive." "Whiny, offensive, horrid bullshit" -- what planet are YOU living on?

Because this is not about the OP. This is the big picture. It is not about ownership of victim status. It is beyond us.

It is about recognizing that we humans can be so clueless until it affects us individually, no matter how many historic or "ham fisted" warnings were provided.

THAT is Neimoller's message.

[MADem]

18. The "venom" is in your head. And your remarks are batty, like your poem.

Further, my comments are not "personal attacks." Perhaps you want to play the victim, I don't know, but I am not obliging you.

Personal attacks are when I say something about YOU, personally--example: You are ugly. You are an idiot. You are evil.

I am criticizing your crappy WORK, not you. That's not a "personal attack." I am objecting to your moronic COMMENTS, not you, personally. Criticism of what you say is permitted here--in fact, that's the purpose of discussion forums like this one.

Learn the difference. You'll not embarrass yourself if you do.

And your poem? It still sucks and is offensive. It approaches the most moronic thing I've read on this forum to date.

[omega minimo]

19. "That's what you like to do." Your venom, insults, embarrassment and irrelevance to the OP

[MADem]

20. Your poem sucks and is an affront to the original work. It's a crappy cartoon.

It's LOUSY. It STINKS. It's a poor, self-indulgent mimeograph.

That's not "venom," dear, that's just fact.

[omega minimo]

21. Your mean spirit and cluelessness speak for themselves

Here's a thought. The worst bullies on DU lose all power when their mean habits cause no one to care what they think. :think:

[MADem]

27. I am neither, so no, they don't. Telling you that 'thing' sucks is not "bullying." It's kindness

only you're too obtuse to realize it. Whatever you do, unless you want confirmation of this view, don't shop that barrel of truly offensive tripe elsewhere. You will embarrass yourself if you do.

[omega minimo]

29. Let yourself off the hook now. Good night, MADem.

[conscious evolution]

48. Lets see your attempts at capturing the Zeitgiest.

Its easy to be a critic.All it takes is the inability to produce anything worthwhile on your own.
How sad it must be to be you.

[MADem]

50. I didn't come here to butcher established works of art or to

dance to your pathetic little busybody tune. My goal is not to pile on to an established offense. There's no repairing that piece of tripe.

"How sad it must be to be you" that you feel such a self-important need to stick your beak in a conversation with a sole purpose of stirring the pot. Let's see YOUR no doubt equally lousy attempt, since you brought it up, then. On second thought, never mind, let's not. Once is more than enough.

[conscious evolution]

53. So in other words

you are a talentless hack.
Figures.

[MADem]

54. So, in other words, you're a flaming baiter. But you're not very good at that, either.

You're also a binary thinker. That's not a compliment.

[omega minimo]

59. "Conversation"? "Purpose"? --

It appears "you feel such a self-important need to stick your beak in a conversation with a sole purpose of stirring the pot."

What else have you accomplished with your "purpose" here?

[MADem]

65. I thought you were done? Apparently not.

Your poem still sucks. Yelling at me for noting it isn't going to change that fact.

[omega minimo]

66. You claimed to have some "purpose" or "conversation" to contribute. Looks like you're done.

"Yelling at you"? :rofl:

I'm sorry MADem, I don't care what the bullies think. The only detractors here are all serial abusers. They're the ones "yelling."

There is some "conversation" here. Sorry you missed out. :hi:

[MADem]

69. I thought you were done? But here you come again, spoiling for a rematch.

Your poem still sucks. No amount of little rolling men or childish taunts change the fact that your ripoff is a shameless piece of junk.

[omega minimo]

79. "Rematch"? So you can make us "dance to your pathetic little busybody tune"? Is this fun for you?

Now there's a rhetorical question.

That's fine if you think it's tripe. You've dumped and dumped some more and yet you're still here.

"Rematch"? Already you've been told that bullies have no credibility, no one cares what they think and I'm supposed to be seeing this -- as you do -- as a rumble?

MADem, you are a mystery :shrug:

[MADem]

81. I thought you were DONE? Your poem still sucks and is a shameless rip off.

You keep trying to bully me into engaging you. Sorry. I don't care about you. Your poem, though, is still a piece of junk.

[omega minimo]

83. Bully tactics always involve the reversal and ripoff of language for some reason. In the handbook?

Crazymaking, that's what it's called.

I've acknowledged what you think about the poem, it's fine. All of your comments are personal attacks or as if you want some capitulation and won't give up without it.

What? You don't like it. Fine. So? You have to keep shouting it?
The people shouting about it here use bully tactics and personal attacks. Who cares what they think?
"Conversation" is made impossible -- all they want to do is bully.
Want the last word? Then use your own. Don't try to turn around what's been said to you about your behavior and try to mindfuck your target.


Here, this will make you feel better. :hide: :scared: :cry: :yoiks:


There ya go. Have a nice life.

[MADem]

86. Your poem still stinks. NT

[omega minimo]

74. All "Zeit." No "Geist"

DU does have a lot of Agnogeists.......... ;)

As you say "We can save the world with an act of love"

Or even a thread. Thank you conscious evolution.

[conscious evolution]

78. "we're all learning

on a learning curve"
J. Puryear

At least some of us are,anyways.
Some people,on the other hand,never seem to learn. Oh well. For them, we also stand up-sometimes for them,sometimes against.Either way stand we will.For one simple reason-If we don't who will?

[omega minimo]

80. Well put. That's how it is.

:thumbsup:

[omega minimo]

4. The broken promise on NAFTA is abhorrent and indicative of overextended "hope"

NAFTA is crucial to myriad issues.

Globalization and business as usual continue.

[truedelphi]

13. So someone writes a statement, modelled on another statement

And rather than the intent, to get a discussion going, there are people affronted by your "molestation" of the original piece.

My commentary would run a bit longer, but today my husband's website was attacked by the RW Christians, for his being the Anti-Christ. (Hell I could have told them that!)

It must be some sort of thought virus in the spring air or something.

[omega minimo]

16. "atacked by the RW Christians, for his being the Anti-Christ. (Hell I could have told them that!)"

LOL :spray:

What's truly "protectionist and xenophobic" is, both in California and nationally, about a decade apart, watching the M$M try to scare the shit out of the public, that the scary brown people from the South are stealing our jobs, while NAFTA's giant sucking sound is fucking us all.

Pardon the language, but after the kind of day/decade/decades we've had, screw it. :spray:

Send along that commentary when you have time. Best to the family. :toast:

[RandomThoughts]

22. I thought your poem

fit the spirit of the original poem.

I find it a good poem.

[omega minimo]

24. thank you. with no disrespect to the original, at the least it fits the spirit of the day.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

26. Brava.

:applause:

[omega minimo]

30. Hey maybe if it really is offensive enough, people might pay attention to the issues.

:hug:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. Unfortunately it's not that offensive...

...just really fucking lame.

[omega minimo]

37. And you care about the lameness, not the demise of your nation.................

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

38. False choice.

Writing a lousy poem is writing a lousy poem.

[omega minimo]

41. Pointless posts are pointless posts.

[JohnnyLib2]

43. I get it.

The OP, that is.

[boppers]

44. Genocide = Unemployment...

This is offensive in so many ways I don't know where to start.

I'll just say that I've been working for the last 6 years on the wikipedia Holocaust article, and your reference frame is horribly broken.

"When I lost my job, the government burned my house down and I murdered my parents after forcing me to dig their graves and then shoot both of them in the head while they wept" might be a start...

...and then to trivialize the loss of 6-17 million people with complaints about "Impeachment"?

Dude.

Just..

Dude.

[RandomThoughts]

45. He was not devaluing the horrors of genocide

It may depend on interpretation.

If you think he is replacing the original with his poem, then you might be upset.

But by bringing other issues of the same lack of caring for neighbors into the conversation, he is commenting the same way the original author was, on a different subject.

He is not saying the other subject, horrid genocide is less horrid. He is just using the same caring for others, the original author spoke about, on a different bad thing he sees in life.

However I can understand where that poem might hold a sacred place in the social obligation of all to honor the victims, and remember those that did what they could to fight such evil back then. If that is true, someone might not like the poem, even in the same spirit, used for a different bad thing.

[boppers]

46. I understand.

I'm a bit "raw" on the topic.

[RandomThoughts]

47. If it added any, sorry for any heart ache from my view on the poem.

What happened was so bad, beyond thought, bad beyond anything.

:hug:

[omega minimo]

58. Thank you for your observant and loving comments and respect for both the OP and other poster

:grouphug:

[omega minimo]

62. I apologize for any unintended anguish or perceived disrespect to the poem and the people.

Niemoller's quote -- which he himself rearranged as the OP link to university research shows -- has become an internalized, simple, powerful conveyance for an easily overlooked reality of human nature. He conveyed that point in his work; I trust the strength of the structure and its resonance to convey the burden of my clumsy lift of the form -- with no intent to detract from the original or disrespect its history.

The "easily overlooked reality of human nature" here is the willingness of people to go along to get along, assuming there is some safety net, never realizing that it is long gone.

Niemoller gave a sense of how the ambivalent are lost; when the time comes to respond, it is too late.

[conscious evolution]

49. Great rewrite

Niemoller would be proud.

[omega minimo]

63. He would at least understand.

:hi:

[dionysus]

51. be thankful they never come for the poutrage brigade on DU, you're all set.

[omega minimo]

61. Well if there is a noxious cliche to help people cling to their egos & ignore imminent threats

good luck with that

[dionysus]

76. well, it was a tacky OP, so, whatever...

[omega minimo]

84. Fine. Better luck next time.

:thumbsup:

[NeedleCast]

52. Well, that's random

and a bit tacky, considering the work on which it's based.

[omega minimo]

57. "Tacky" -- what word do you use for unaccountable perpetrators of high crimes & misdemeanors?

"Classy"?

[NeedleCast]

60. No, that's not the word I'd use

But then, I wasn't talking about words I'd use to describe "unaccountable perpetrators of high crimes and (sic) misdemeanors...I was talking about your re-write.

[omega minimo]

64. Yes, the misdemeanors are as sick as the high crimes

:hi:

[Fresh_Start]

55. I think the poem was true to the intent of the original author

He was railing against the apathy of his society.

[omega minimo]

56. Thank you. Perhaps the apathy is so pervasive people have forgotten the word.

:hi:

[bobbolink]

67. And, of course, homeless people don't even MAKE your list.

Geee, what a surprise.

I guess you think that can't happen to you, either, eh?

Thanks for confirming just how invisible we truly are.

[omega minimo]

68. It's in the first line, bobbolink. They came for the jobs decades ago. I know what time it is.

:thumbsup:

[bobbolink]

71. SO, it's only working people who are homeless who count in your book??????

People like me who are too old or too disabled to work can just.. what...? exactly?

Take a flying leap off a cliff?

What would it take for some of you to actually begin to care and get active on this?

What would it take?

[nxylas]

72. You'd think in these times, it would be more of an issue

That "two paychecks away from homelessness" feeling is affecting more and more people. But not, sadly, the media bobbleheads who decide what issues are important to us. They'd rather talk about Susan Boyle.

[bobbolink]

73. Stop blaming it on the "media", the right wing. It's right here in RiverCity

where the ignorance and the ignoring thrive.

I've written about this until I got sick of it. Others wrote plenty about it in January, yet the very same stuff is repeated over and over and over.... untrue myths, ignoring those of us who suffer in this way.

It doesn't change RIGHT HERE AT DU, and that is no fault of the media!

I'm sick to death of the excuses and the rationalizations.

Either stand up for us, or admit you really don't care.

It's that simple.

[omega minimo]

77. Thank you for bringing it up. Homelessness is very relevant to the issues of jobs, civil liberties

and the ambivalence this OP is about. The OP referenced problems, not people, so the homeless are there between the lines with all the people affected by the problems.

I need to ask you to give me a bit of break here, if you want to discuss. I have no problem with noting the repercussions of joblessness all over the spectrum. The economic and social impacts are going to affect homeless people for many reasons. I knew you might call me on the jobs/homeless connection and you did. This bigger economic/jobs picture affects those who are older and disabled too.

From what I've learned on DU, if you care about a topic, you will need to keep writing about it and help people understand and maybe change their habits of speech as you'd like. Please don't assume those who don't mention homelessness directly are "ignorant/ignoring."

"What would it take for some of you to actually begin to care and get active on this?"

That's what it will take.

"Right here in River City," Sacramento was covered in the national news for its long time "Tent City." The cameras arrived, the vans with food and water, the officials who said sanitation and safety were issues and the Mayor who is a basketball celebrity who wants to polish his image.

So, everybody got real busy and kept the winter shelter open longer so they could remove the Tent City and relocate the homeless to the state fairgrounds.....

...the state fairgrounds, which are MILES AWAY from homeless services, including the kid's school and in an unwalkable suburban area with TOTALLY inadequate public transportation (which costs money anyway) where the people have to clear out every day and reenter at night.

Many folks did not want to go there, many had pets and some boarding was available (but still) and some private housing was provided for some of the people from the Tent City.

This is a solution? So the Powers That Be can make the Tent City and the people disappear?

Please don't think all of us are ignoring this.

[bobbolink]

93. Yes, we're always "between the lines". And dying there. Do you suppose someday we could be

considered important enough for "progressives" to actually care??????????

You admit yourself, that the "solution" was untenable, yet.... where is the WILL to actually DEAL with the problem?

You admit the is a real issue, yet even you don't include us in your list of priorities.

What the hell?

[omega minimo]

94. The "list of priorities" was a Big Picture that included ALL OF US who are affected by it.

Believe me, people living on the streets has been a concern since Ronald Reagan started lying about it. I may have left it off my "list" but I never called any homeless people "campers" either, never reduced services and facilities that dumped thousands out on the streets, never............

eh, don't get me started. Trust me, when I referred to "Jobs," all the socioeconomic crimes were included.

I live in an urban area and see the people in the streets, so please don't assume I don't care or help.

Again, please continue to write about it and educate others. :thumbsup:

Do you remember the New Deal and Works Progress Administration? We need that kind of common sense vision and commitment now to help the jobless, the homeless and rebuild our infrastructure.

[bobbolink]

101. If you were in my shoes, you would feel how isolating it is to be ignored.

I realize that "progressives" can't really face up to how they leave us out, so this argument will continue ad nauseum.

Again, if you were left out like this, you wouldn't accept the excuses, either.

There are so many of us homeless people because it's ACCEPTED.

PERIOD.

[omega minimo]

104. "I realize that "progressives" can't really face up to how they leave us out"

"...can't face up to........"

You think you know everything about everybody. It probably looks like that from the street.

[bobbolink]

102. Please do NOT cast blame out of assumptions.

I don't appreciate being told to work harder, when you apparently have no idea just how hard I've worked to try to get through the deaf ear of DU on poverty.

Not only have I been at this for years, and certainly shouldn't have to defend myself, but before me was Sapphire Blue. I can tell you that I heard from her often, in despair because people wouldn't listen, and couldn't be bothered to follow the simplest request.

I really don't appreciate having to enumerate all this----this is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Just assuming we aren't doing anything, and exhorting us to do lots more, ignoring what we have already done, and the lack of interest on the part of "progressives".

There is a very well-known saying that applies here: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." And that's what a few of us have done.... keep trying to lead "progressives" to give a shit, and at least make a few simple phone calls.

It's very upsetting to be told over and over that we aren't doing enough, when it's the ones who aren't doing much are doing the judging!

I realize that it's a defense mechanism, but the blame and guilt aren't "progressive" values.

Or are they?

[omega minimo]

103. You are projecting your assumptions and blame on someone who bought someone food and drink today....

Someone who also asked you previously to "give me a bit of a break here, if you want to discuss."

Your response to what I thought were peaceful comments, including one beginning with "Thank you for bringing it up," your insistence on being belligerent with me is out of line. I didn't tell you to work harder. You don't want to be ignored? Don't want your issue to be ignored? Don't treat potential allies like generic enemies. I'm not a cartoon any more than the man I helped out today.

If you want to keep the chip on your shoulder, you can mock me for thinking one action on one hot day is significant, but I know it is. It was from the heart and it helped a man out.

A hot and humid day and he's sitting on the sidewalk already into a big bottle of booze. He doesn't have water with him. It's gonna get hot. We speak and he tells me he's "hungry too." The well heeled lunchtime crowd, in the the gentrified downtown neighborhood he's in, is on the move. He was being ignored. I hear one woman say hello to him, but one person bought him food and drink and you are spitting on them.

He is a human being. So am I.

[bobbolink]

107. Read your own words. You told me to work harder.

I have given it my all. Without acknowledgement of that from you, btw.

So did Sapphire Blue. She came to feel exactly the same way as I do about this.

So, excoriate us both.

[omega minimo]

108. Your feelings blind you to the words.

"From what I've learned on DU, if you care about a topic, you will need to keep writing about it and help people understand and maybe change their habits of speech as you'd like. Please don't assume those who don't mention homelessness directly are "ignorant/ignoring."

I didn't tell you to work harder, I didn't tell you to do anything. I tried to relate and communicate something that I've learned -- I would suggest it to anyone on any topic.

I know and cherish Sapphire Blue here. "Excoriate"? You must be so sick of it there's no point in trying to talk to you.

Yours are cruel circumstances. It doesn't give you the right to be cruel.

As the drunk, dehydrated, hungry and not-quite-totally-ignored man on the sidewalk said to me today,

"God bless you."

[Soylent Brice]

75. K&R

[omega minimo]

82. First they came for the Soylent and I did not speak out.........

:hi:

[Soylent Brice]

96. did you know that i'm people!?

:hi:

back atcha!!

[omega minimo]

97. LOL ------- people..........

Thanks for the a.m. chuckle.

Here's a tune.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI4re4gMpSM

[Soylent Brice]

99. forwarded home. can't access youtube from work,

but thank you!!

[omega minimo]

85. OH I GET IT !!!!!! !!!!!! 1!!!!!!!!!! BULLIES DON'T WANT TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES SO THEY SABOTAGE!!

THANK YOU I MAY BE SLOW BUT I AIN'T STUPID!!!!!!
:applause:

[cali]

87. um. let me explain this to you in simple terms.

this is a discussion board. people post in response to OPs. they don't always agree with the OP. they express that. it's not disruption.

I've noticed you tend to refer to anything you don't agree with as disruption. that's just silly.

[omega minimo]

88. Actually the subthread made it quite clear bullies have no purpose but to sidetrack discussion

Other people here were able to discuss and/or disagree with the OP in a civilized way.

Yet the issues did get sidetracked by the fights over the OP that the bullies started.



Not sure what purpose your lies serve.

Aren't you happy having your own hive to hide in? Go do your thing there. We have nothing to say to each other.

[cali]

90. opinions, dearie, are not lies.

and I'll post wherever I want. you certainly don't have any say in that.

After your hysterical and pathetic bullying on the Giordano thread, you're a joke.

[omega minimo]

91. and you finish with Personal Attack. PERFECT. W/ more Crazymaking reversal from the Bully Handbook!

As noted, the non-bullies here shared their diverse opinions on the OP just fine.
In fact, the bullies here got a nod to their opinion as fine with me, it's their opinion. The bullying discredits them, but even so.
And IF the bullies ever wanted to actually discuss their opinion or the OP or the issues, rather than just bully, that would be MOST WELCOME.
Rather than just flame and fume, they might hear acknowledgment (from the OP) of how the OP "poem" could come off negative in their eyes.
Or they could read that in the posts b/w the reasonable people.
BEYOND the acceptance their "opinion" received, that wasn't enough to stop the bullying.
Might even find common ground (you've heard of that, I'm sure) and MOVE ON TO THE ISSUES.

But no. :crazy: :freak:



"I've noticed you tend to refer to anything you don't agree with as disruption."
"After your hysterical and pathetic bullying on the Giordano thread, you're a joke."

Your lies are not even opinion, just lies. The purpose appears to be to justify your behavior:

Your personal attack will stand as a testament to you, Cali. Once again, Congratulations. You "win."
Speaking of pathetic, your little buddy above had to get one last taunt in, repeating the declawed "opinion" in one final attempt to have the power to inflict some damage.

You might be more careful with your insults if you knew what people think about you.

Good bye.

[cali]

92. "only hypocrite cannot forgive hypocrisy"

I forgive you. And this is a personal attack:

Not sure what purpose your lies serve.

you constantly do that and yet you get huffy when someone attacks back. you bully and you're in denial about it. And frankly, I don't care what you or you're little coterie thinks of me. Why on earth would I?

Oh, and I haven't a clue who you're referring to when you say "you're little buddy".

As for common ground, if it's there, fine, if not, fine.

[Echo In Light]

89. K&R

[omega minimo]

95. Good night and good luck -- and Fuck Yoo.

[lonestarnot]

100. Too late to rec, but doing it anyway!

K & R

[eyesroll]

105. First, they came for people who wrote bad imitations of Niemoeller

and I did not speak out,
because really, they were doing the world a favor.

[cali]

106. oh dear

:rofl:

[omega minimo]

110. and look who's laughing

:(

[omega minimo]

109. wow. I could handle the humor..... but the detractor actually IS trivializing the disappeared

:wow:

[omega minimo]

112. First they came for the artists and intellectuals............