liberals of the world, we are at war!

[polysciguy420]

Not so much a war between men, as we would view, say the Vietnam War or World War II for example, but, a war of ideas.

No matter what school of thought you belong to regarding the origination of human existence, be it that of a creationist or an evolutionist, you should have little trouble positing a time in human history that is vastly different than the world we live in today. That it is to say, the way things are now are not the way things have always been nor are they the way things have to be or will necessarily be in the future. While this point is readily understood by a vast majority of people, why should it be that any radical attempt to alter the current status quo is deemed as naïve in regards to how things work in the “real world” ? The current political structure of the world is not what it is by default, and we are not helpless participants at the mercy of the established order set forth to us at birth. By contrast, the current political structure in which we live is the work of men, who fought and died on behalf of their convictions in hopes of creating exactly what we have now, a world ruled by Capitalism. Now the ball is in our court. The time has come for the liberals of the world to create the world they wish to see their great- great grandchildren live in, creating a new order and world governed by equality.

Revolution does not come cheap, and calls for great sacrifices to be made on behalf of “true believers” . However, the belief that the world will exist in the future in the exact same manner as it exists now must be regarded as the most naïve statement of all. To be sure, the world will change as it has throughout human history. The question is what type of world will emerge? The answer to that question lies within us.

[vadawg]

1. new world order, no thanks you can keep it, no point swapping one master for another

[Winterblues]

2. The old world is just fine as long as the Laws we created are followed and enforced.

I have no problem with the American Dream but it does not include torture or warrantless wiretaps or the elimination of Habeas Corpus or the multitude of criminal acts the previous Administration encouraged and enjoyed. We want PEACE and PROSPERITY and restrictions on the very Powerful. It can and will happen but only if the ones currently controlling affairs make it so.

[polysciguy420]

3. the thing is...

you say "we" as if it includes me and you. I or people who think like me did not have a say in the laws that I'm subjected to follow as an American citizen, by contrast, these laws were heaped upon me at birth and I was taught to be obey or face the consequences. FUCK THAT!.

[uppityperson]

4. So you do not "want PEACE and PROSPERITY and restrictions on the very Powerful"?

Yes, there were laws when you were born and you are subjected to. Do you seriously not include yourself in the group of "we" from this statement?:
"We want PEACE and PROSPERITY and restrictions on the very Powerful. "

Or do you mean "the Laws we created "?

[polysciguy420]

6. I

want peace and prosperity and restrictions on the very powerful, yes. I do not want a capitalistic society. In my opinion peace and prosperity and capitialism are not compatiable concepts as capitalism by design always has an underclass. However, at birth I was subjected to capitalism without any choice of an alternative. This is not the reality I want my anscetors to face in the world they live in. They should have a choice to shape the world in their own way regardless of what the established order of their time says is acceptable.

[uppityperson]

7. Thank you for clarifying.

I find if I check before over reacting, I usually am wrong.

I think you mean your descendants, not ancestors as ancestors were in the past. And we all have a choice, a chance, to shape the world in our own way, regardless of what the established order of our time says is acceptable. Whether or not any of us chose to try to shape our world, in what manner, that is another issue.

My theory is humans technological evolution rapidly surpassed their societal/emotional evolution.

[polysciguy420]

9. ah yes!

descendants! thanx for catching that lol. But I think you get what I'm saying.

[backtoblue]

5. That's OK

I choose to believe that this is all just a dream anyways. And anything that mentions new, world, and order in the same sentence makes me squeamish. :hippie:

[polysciguy420]

8. you're misunderstanding

what I'm saying. The world (in so much as civilized human society is concerned) has always been under some "order" or another. The "order" of the world by my definition is nothing more than the prevailing ideology that governs the world. As of now, we are in a period governed by capitalistic thought. Capitalism is the world "order" under which we currently operate. If left to the right, we will operate under this order for many generations to come. It is up to change courses by brining new ideology to the forefront and thus creating a new order. By creating a new climate of opinion by which the world is governed.

[uppityperson]

10. and what would that "new climate of opinion by which the world is goverened" be?

[vadawg]

12. i think the new order will still involve certain members of society being led to their deaths.

[polysciguy420]

14. : )

well that is up to "us" as a liberal movement to decide. If it were up to me, many of the basic teachings of Marxist ideology would be brought to the forefront. "From all according to his talents, to all according to his needs."

[backtoblue]

13. I get it

And I agree that capitalism is not a good form of government, but I am also afraid of what a united world government would do to itself.

Greedy and evil people plan and desire to be in control.

Peaceful and loving people just want to be left alone.

Just sayin.

[polysciguy420]

15. I understand

your concerns as well and can see where you are going

[backtoblue]

17. We all want to change the world

in one way or another. At least you are thinking and trying to make a difference in some way. That's more than alot of other people can say.

[cali]

11. blah, blah, blah

people have been expressing the same stuff for generation upon generation. the funny thing is that you think this is something new. it ain't.

[Spike89]

16. For a polysci guy, strange confusion

Actually, the form of government in the U.S. is democratic republic and capitalism is merely the prevailing economic model. Likewise, the USSR was not a communist form of government, but a government that espoused socialism/communism. It is an admittedly fine distinction, but a very important one nonetheless. There is nothing really preventing marxism/communism under the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights. In fact, communists have run for high office in the U.S., openly. Some poor stategy (by the communists) and a more easily "sold" story by the capitalists resulted in marginalizing the socialist message early in the last century. The horrid political decisions and structure of the USSR had at least as much to do with its demise than the form of economy.

I personally think a strong social democratic form of government with just enough regulation on private enterprise would be a great society.