the ed show - single payer discussion

[spanone]

msnbc now

it appears advocates were excluded from senator baucus' first meeting

[LakeSamish706]

1. He is not backing off this either... Way to go Ed.. Keep pushing em.. n/t

[eleny]

2. He announced how much Baucus got from the industry and how "they were at the table"

Thanks, Ed!

[spanone]

3. the insurance companies and the hmo's were all there....this doesn't look good

[ejpoeta]

4. well, it's quite obvious to me! all the big contributers were there. it's goiong to

be the same old same old.... and we end up getting screwed!

[spanone]

it's only the first meeting and hopefully this will get straigtened out

it will need some noise from the people imo\

single payer would just about eliminate these folks and they will not go away quietly...they will put up big bucks and will fight it tooth and nail

[cascadiance]

20. I think one of his guests on his radio show said it was the second one...

... and that the third one (and last scheduled one) is coming up this coming week, which I think he's really aiming to make that meeting a spectacle...

[Creena]

5. I'm trying to stay optimistic, but it's not looking great.

I just want affordable health care! That's evidently too much to ask.

[ejpoeta]

17. i think part of the problem is that there are people (like my own siblings)

who themselves have health insurance and feel that somehow they are going to get screwed if we have something that includes everyone. they also think that they would be paying for the lazy welfare moms out there. They don't seem to understand. especially now when so many are losing their jobs... the idea of having your insurance tied to a job is ludicrous. imagine getting sick, like cancer or something and then losing your job and your health insurance. try getting that preexisting condition covered now!! But they are only concerned about themselves and as long as they've got theirs.... until they don't. then what will they want!!

my biggest fear is the health insurance companies getting what they want.... mandatory health insurance without having to have it be affordable or anything and then they are in control because we have to have it and they can charge anything they want. that would be worse than what it is now. i want healthcare to stop being a privilege and become just one of those things that we take for granted... like unemployment and social security. but i fear that is never going to happen because the people that get to make the decisions are the ones that get their financing from the industries who profit from the system as it is now.

[Creena]

22. Yeah, I don't like it when people lump everyone together.

I'm not technically employed at the moment. But, I work my ass off caring for my disabled mother. We both live off her income and I also happen to have a preexisting condition. So, $500/mo. insurance is out of the question and, as a result, my condition deteriorated because I couldn't afford proper health care.

Changing health care from being a privilege is exactly right. When is seeing a doctor and, you know, not dying become a privilege? It's so stupid.

[ejpoeta]

24. i often wonder that myself. what is the correlation between survival rates

and wealth and the like. i mean, my dad just died a month ago from a very aggressive cancer that was everywhere!! my brother wants to blame the VA system here, and i can't say as I blame him in some respects. But the doctors that did a biopsy said he could have had this cancer for a mere matter of months it moved so fast. from the time he was diagnosed to the time he died was less than two weeks. I can't help but wonder if he had been a wealthy businessman or a politician with the cadillac healthcare would they have caught it a long time ago.

i know a certain part of that feeling is the natural urge to have someone to blame for something that is probably no one's fault. but my brother is very much against single payer healthcare and thinks that 'government run healthcare' such as the VA is a very bad thing. I got into an argument with him at my dad's bedside one night because I told him that it wasn't the VA but the underfunding that was the problem. My dad kept getting different doctors everytime he went there. And anytime my dad had a problem, I personally don't believe he was adequately tested. You know how it is.... they just give you some antibiotic or whatever and explain it away. That is true anywhere you go, whether it is the VA or the local hospital. because dad had been to both. the VA would try to ship him to the hospital and the hospital would try to ship him to the VA. they were so concerned about the cost.... $500/copay everytime he went to the hospital. lord knows what else on top of that. and he HAD insurance.

The problem, as i see it, is that instead of worrying about their patients, doctors end up having to worry about how they are going to get paid. And they hesitate to run tests that they might not hestitate to run for some patients because of the money. When we wanted Emily (my 10 year old) tested for ADHD, I had heard they could do a catscan and tell from that. the doctor insisted that wasn't the case. She kept trying to get me to just put emy on the meds. We refused to do that. we wanted her tested. and the insurance did pay for testing... took her to a place where once a week they had her do tests and talked to her and then determined that she was indeed ADHD. We ended up going through the school and having a meeting with them.... it was such a pain in the ass to actually get her tested... and i do believe the school didn't want to ahve to pay for it. so we said, just point us to where we should take her and we'll take care of it.

i am sorry for what you are going through. The problem is that the people in a position to do something about it are getting their campaign money from the people who don't give a crap about the rest of us. They have health insurance. And WE probably pay for it. how ironic! I can only hope that someday we will get some form of single payer. but as long as there are people like my family members who have insurance and don't give a crap about the rest of us (they talk about welfare moms and such.... and i remind them that i must be one because i have had medicaid... i have had assistance from social services....) they refuse to see beyond themselves. and they refuse to listen to anything anyone says.... except rush limbaugh and faux news....

[eleny]

9. Unless we get involved and make our voices heard

That's how our system works. You don't give up - you fight back.

And it's time to start hunting a challenger to Baucus, too.

[polichick]

6. Time to contact our reps - including the president.

[Canuckistanian]

7. He devoted his radio show to this, too

He's STEAMED at Baucus and was reading off all of his political donations.

[tonycinla]

8. It's called the real world!

Where's Obama and where are all his "true believers".Single payer is not going to happen....too moneyed people invested too deeply in the status quo.....

[spanone]

12. i think it's way too soon to declare it dead.

[eleny]

13. True, it's a fact that many 401ks are invested in the health industry

It's going to be messy. But the current system has to at least be phased out over time.

[spanone]

10. ed's about to rip savage a new ahole...coming up

[Creena]

15. Do you mind giving a slight recap?

Teh Mother doesn't particularly care for political shows and she switched off Ed. All the sources I used for streaming video are gone and I can't find a new one.

[LaPera]

11. This is great, finally someone is pinning these big insurance money assholes like Sen. Baucus to

explain why he's allowing the American people to get fucked by these insurance corporations that Baucus is receiving money from.

Thank you Ed Schultz...You're doing a great job exposing these insurance corporations paid-off assholes.

64% of the American people want single payer Universal Health Care it's OUR tax dollars and Baucus is playing to the fucking money boys....the insurance companies who are paying off the democrats!

This pile of shit Senator Baucus needs a slap across his laughing face they bastard....This is the number one issue, we pay taxes and we want single payer universal health coverage

Baucus has 100% coverage, as does his family and staff, he doesn't give a fuck about us the workers & tax payers!

We demand single payer Universal Health Care - NOW - for ALL!!

[GreenTea]

14. The video of Ed's Show (on MSNBC ) should be uploaded for everyone to see

[spanone]

16. howard dean is up now!!!!

he says single payer is NOT off the table

wants to give us a choice to choose which kind of insurance we want

[ejpoeta]

18. i think if given a choice most folks will want the public option. the healthcare

industry won't be able to compete with that and so they don't want us to have that choice.

[Dragonfli]

21. Shumer is turning the "public option" into a made to fail joke

They are concerned it will have an unfair advantage over for profit so he wants it funded by large co-pays and premiums with no public money.

He was chosen to "take care of it", and he has done so to their satisfaction.
He follows orders well, and it is what they wanted from him.
Sorry you didn't know. :-(

[ejpoeta]

23. why does that not surprise me. how much money does HE get from

insurance companies. this is so friggin ridiculous! in NY there is a movement to oust every state representative.... i wish we could do that with our us reps too!

[Fireweed247]

19. Go Ed! K&R