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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 06:54 PM Original message |
How is Obesity an issue? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obesity related illnesses kills more people than smoking. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And there you have the problem we have created |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
75. Are you saying that good overall health doesn't affect the common good? |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Actually didn't someone do a cost analysis and found that the shortened |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. There was a study out of the Netherlands last year that found |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
77. They say that there are very few fat people over 80 and almost none over 90. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Yes, more cost to society than smoking largeky because smokers |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. No it doesn't. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Better ban fat people then! |
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DarleenMB (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Please show the data |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Here: Obesity Passing Smoking ,Top Avoidable Cause of Death |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. That's only because all fat people supposedly die of obesity |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #61 |
79. What? Nobody dies from obesity. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. But people do indeed attribute car accident deaths and the like to obesity |
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lbrtbell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
100. Case in point: Rush Limbaugh |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
105. "kills" |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's an epidemic |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Actually I noted that in not all cases people choose to do so |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. A couple of points |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. A couple of more points |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
102. But we are where we are because of our federal food policies |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
78. When you've had enough- you do wonder how other people let you get that way |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Laws of physics = you can't get something from nothing. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. with few exceptions, it is a choice |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. 27 million people in America with thyroid problems |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. you are conflating cause and effect |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. How is thyroid problem caused by behavior? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Why should anybody tolerate discomfort in and of itself? n/t |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. if you want results, sometimes it means (god forbid) effort |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Discomfort = failure |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. not at all |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #87 |
108. 100 years ago people had life expectancies of 50 years or so. Fuck that. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #108 |
114. screw average |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. If you enjoy athletic striving, fine. You are not superior to those who don't. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. which is of course a strawman |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:16 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Academic achievement was hard work for me, but never painful |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. i used the word discomfort |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Many never see benefits in "morphology"--only in health and well being |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. No the point is, if you like being fat, then be so. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
107. Your priorities are exactly assbackwards |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. How is Alcoholism an issue? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Good question |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. You've got it bass-ackwards. People are marketed and herded into being obese. Nothing "free" in that |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Bingo! |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. Exactly! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. I agree. We took cigarette ads off the TV for a reason. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Excellent points! The way you expressed it - |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. That would be great-- to have the long list of warnings the meds have to have |
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Amaya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
72. well said! |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. How is Homelessness an issue? |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think the answer would be: Cost. Just like Smokers. People with particular risk factors |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. And therein lays a difference |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Maybe so. I would feel like a really irresponsible asshole if I just encouraged my parents and |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's not the "dollar." It's the studies, the facts. Would you be happy if your mother was |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. When do you turn the facts though into laws? |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I didn't see the mention of "laws" in your post, but I take your posts seriously. |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
13. ITS ALWAYS THE FAT PERSONS FAULT - IF THEY CAN'T FIND |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
73. YOUR CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
16. Obesity, may be not |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. . |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. It is a Public Health Issue, because it is the Public who pays by - |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And there we have it all |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #23 |
69. having children is pretty fucking expensive too |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Self delete |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Fat people with stable weights cannot possibly be overeating |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
95. We pay for athletes too |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
22. Direct correlation, from all I have read, between the rise of crap in our food and obesity, cancer, |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
25. You are not required to care about your health. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I would if that were the case |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. Because our culture is offended by bodyfat, and hides that prejudice behind medical justifications |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
64. If it was about health, there would be more prejudice against fat men than against fat women |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
65. If it was about health, there would be more prejudice against fat men than against fat women |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
80. bingo- sleep apnea |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Yeah, I forgot about apnea |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
28. I predict 200 replies |
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MonteLukast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
30. It sort of comes with the territory of a service economy. |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
32. You are so so right. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
37. Ah ...so if we don't like obesity then we are for private health care. Nice. pffft |
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shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
38. obesity is a complex issue |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
40. Imperfect ...must sterilize. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'm So Sick of This "Individual Rights" BS |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
43. who said obese people choose obesity? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
44. Seems like a "libertarian" sort of argument. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. At first blush, it may seem like a libertarian position |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The abortion analogy is silly. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Again, a "public issue" doesn't mean penalizing, necessarily |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Pretty much sums it up |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. K&R |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. i know of no overweight/obese |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
57. Well |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. You have the hand in hand part ass-backwards |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Wrong |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Let's see the CONTROLLED studies |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
59. Since this has hung around a bit, I will throw in my 2 cents. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
67. Isn't there something wrong with people who can't lift 300 lbs? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Cheryl is not obese. The woman has reams of muscle. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
85. Yes, she is |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. But considered obese by whom? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
104. By anybody in our culture with standard opinions about appropriate female size |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
71. Thanks, The Straight Story |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
76. Is communal hygiene a collective, government issue? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
88. it kills more people and causes more health problems than any other fully preventable cause. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. And I say... So? |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. yawn...get a good night's sleep and stop stuffing your face - |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. And that addresses my points how? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. did i say that i wanted to limit anyone's life choices? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. And there you go: |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. out of context much...? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #99 |
116. you lost the last little shred of credibility you had with this reply |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. i didn't post that. you've obviously replied to the wrong person. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. yes, that gem should properly have been attributed to dustbunnie |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Which bad choices will we choose to pay for? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. that remains to be seen, doesn't it? and that's assuming that we ever do get anywhere near it. |
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OHDEM (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. I don't think so because I think that nobody wants to be told... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. i don't argue against it. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
90. It's an issue due to the morbidity and mortality related to obesity related diseases |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Thank you! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-11-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. As a medic I saw it... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
101. Most of the posters in this thread... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #101 |
112. I have it too, and it is treatable |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
109. why it is an issue |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
110. Check out what the inventor of the South Beach diet has to say. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-12-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #110 |
117. thank you for that |
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