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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:32 AM
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Tortured to death
Edited on Tue May-12-09 08:39 AM by kpete
Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people were told repeatedly, by CIA . . . and by others, that there wasn’t any reliable intelligence that pointed to operational ties between bin Laden and Saddam, and that no such ties were likely because the two were fundamentally enemies, not allies.”Senior administration officials, however, “blew that off and kept insisting that we’d overlooked something, that the interrogators weren’t pushing hard enough, that there had to be something more we could do to get that information,” he said.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html

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Tortured to death
by indiemcemopants
Mon May 11, 2009 at 11:55:59 PM PDT

In 2005, the ACLU released findings from autopsy reports of detainees held by the US in Afghanistan and Iraq. Twenty one of the autopsies were ruled homicides. Something the ACLU notes that's interesting (ugh, I hate using that word for this seriously sick finding) is that while at the time CIA abuse was being widely reported in the media, their autopsies revealed a problem with abuse by Navy Seals and military intelligence too.
http://www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen/21236prs20051024.html

Some things the report found... and I have to warn you this whole post is graphic:

A detainee at Abu Ghraib Prison, captured by Navy Seal Team number seven, died on November 4, 2003, during an interrogation by Navy Seals and ""OGA."" A previously released autopsy report, that appears to be of Manadel Al Jamadi, shows that the cause of his death was ""blunt force injury complicated by compromised respiration."" New documents specifically record the circumstances of death as ""Q by OGA and NSWT died during interrogation.""

A detainee was smothered to death during an interrogation by Military Intelligence on November 26, 2003, in Al Qaim, Iraq. A previously released autopsy report, that appears to be of General Mowhoush, lists ""asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression"" as the cause of death and cites bruises from the impact with a blunt object. New documents specifically record the circumstances of death as ""Q by MI, died during interrogation.""


much (disturbing)more:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/12/730454/-Tortured-to-death

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Ibn Sheikh al-Libi Died in the Last Two Weeks

Since Andy Worthington reported on Sheikh al-Libi's death over the weekend, a few more details on timing have come out.

Human Right Watch researcher Heba Morayef told Reuters in London that she saw Fakhiri on April 27 during a visit to the Libyan capital's main Abu Salim jail.

She said Fakhiri appeared for just two minutes in a prison courtyard. He look well, but was unwilling to speak to the Rights Watch team, she said. "Where were you when I was being tortured in American prisons?" she quoted him as saying.

more at:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/12/timing-and-the-sheikh-al-libi-death/

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:39 AM
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1. K&R
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 08:40 AM
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:00 AM
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3. When Bush's Minions Did Not Find WMDs, The Gloves Came Off
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:50 AM
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4. knr!~
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:56 AM
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5. knr nt
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:58 AM
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6. But haven't you heard?
it isn't torture...

It's enhanced interrogation. :eyes:

Liz Cheney sez so.

K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:59 AM
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7. K&R
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 09:59 AM
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8. Many died while being tortured...
I have seen reports of 21 and 28 homicides but it may be much higher?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:05 AM
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9. brad blog has a good story about this too.
Edited on Tue May-12-09 10:06 AM by bdamomma
didn't hear a peep about this on the media.

http://bradblog.com/

I guess they are too busy talking to Liz Cheney and Ms. Prejean. :shrug:
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:07 AM
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10. k & r'd
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:33 AM
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11. These cases put the lie to "It wasn't torture"...
...since even the despicable "legal" memos defining torture, draw the line when the techniques employed actually cause death.

Since there are over 20 known cases where "enhanced interrogation techniques" caused death -- it is inarguable that our agents have engaged in torture.

This is not "middle ground" territory! A thorough investigation of who authorized these techniques, as well as who engaged in them, and prosecution of the guilty is mandatory!

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 03:37 PM
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12. Remember in the news at the time were reports of Cheny continually going to CIA
and meeting with them - trying to force his view of the world on them
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 10:10 PM
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13. K&R
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