Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Sadistic . . . violent . . . inhuman"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:02 PM
Original message
"Sadistic . . . violent . . . inhuman"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-malloy/sadistic-violent-inhuman_b_203160.html

May 13, 2009

They must be horrific. So violent, in fact, so obscene, so counter to even the basic tenets of human decency that President Barack Obama sought today to block the release of hundreds of photos showing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan being abused, violated, tortured. He ordered this reversal of his position - he had been in favor of the decision to release this further evidence of war crimes committed under orders from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney - after military commanders warned that the images could inflame anti-American sentiment and endanger U.S. troops.

But, it is far worse than that. The reality is this: Anti-American sentiment could not be more "inflamed" than it already is in the Middle East, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Our policy of indiscriminate bombing after the location of a "target" has been determined has caused the deaths of hundreds of men, women and children in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. Our policies of providing weapons of terror - such as white phosphorous, concussion bombs, advanced jet fighters, massive tanks bristling with the power to annihilate anything in its path, explosives packed in cases made of depleted uranium - to be used by Israel against an utterly defenseless Palestinian population is known throughout the Middle East, throughout the world, except, of course, here in the U.S.

No, the release of the photos and videos in question would do more than "inflame anti-American sentiment and endanger U.S. troops." If we are to believe reports that began circulating four years ago, reports from investigative journalists such as Seymour Hersh, their release would unleash a wave of anti-American hatred that would endanger the lives of not just U.S. soldiers, but the lives of all Americans, civilians as well as military personnel. Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: "Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men ... . The women were passing messages saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened. Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out."

At today's White House press briefing, press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that the president was concerned that the photos' release would pose a national security threat. In other words, these unreleased photos and videos show acts of degeneracy so vile there is no way they can be explained or rationalized. They contain images of children - some of them the children of detainees - being raped and sodomized ( http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864 ) as a means of forcing confessions from the adult detainees that would provide the links between Saddam Hussein and al-Quaeda that Dick Cheney and George W. Bush insisted were the basis of their orders to invade and occupy Iraq. Children of detainees being raped and sodomized as a means of obtaining confessions. In testimony before Congress five years ago no less a war criminal than the murderous former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. release them.
the truth hurts but it never harms.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. I agree...
There will be hell to pay, but we need them released...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. "sunlight is the best disinfectant"
If a way to the better there be, it lies in taking a full look at the worst. --Thomas Hardy

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:07 PM
Response to Original message
2. "the images could inflame anti-American sentiment and endanger U.S. troops"
The same reason Bush would have used.

I can't say I'm not disappointed by this.

Do these military commanders think that seeing these things would be more inflammatory than just hearing about them, and hearing how they're covered up, and nobody's being punished?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. I hate coverups
hate them even more when Dems do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. As said in another thread... conservatives are defending torture techniques.
We need to release at least some of this stuff in order to at least end the defending of it.

God this is all so disgusting and depressing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
6. Since the recent actions of the Taliban in Pakistan
... the "inflamed" in that nation has subsided a bit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:17 PM
Response to Original message
7. Release them
Then maybe we can roll the credits on this whole "Empire" thing

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
8. Here is what Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said after viewing them
Edited on Wed May-13-09 05:24 PM by NNN0LHI
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main616338.shtml
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. And this is the conduct that POS Graham was defending all morning?
OMFG........:puke:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. Yep!
Makes you wonder how he sleeps at night.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
9. We need to release these.
And maybe make a museum like the Germans did, to remind us that we must never, ever allow such vile depravity to ever happen again. Release the goddamned photos. Our soldiers became endangered as soon as Bush started his unnecessary wars and gave the go ahead for torture. I want these vile pieces of shit punished, especially the monsters who raped those men, women and children. Hand all of them over to the Iraqis to do with what they will. Fuck them. Release the photos and expose these bastards. If we release the photos and severely punish all those who had a hand in them, then perhaps that will send a message, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
10. The real fear
is that these pictures will turn Americans against the war and the people who made it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Exactly. The Military Industrial Complex will have a very hard time consuming most of the US GNP...
if Joe and Jane America see the atrocities committed in their name. Pictures of people being raped and murdered by American military personnel are not conducive to "land of the free and home of the brave."

Vision is our most powerful sense. A verbal description of a child being sodomized is one thing. A video of the act is quite another.

These photos and videos--if they are truly as horrible as we have been led to believe--could turn this country away from supporting the military machine and towards more peaceful endeavors, which the powers that be DO NOT WANT. There is no profit in peace for the Military Industrial Complex.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. There is a lot of supposition in that hypothesis
But it is plausible given the behavior of our politicians and the military-industrial complex starting in the 1950's.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. It is more than just plausible. There is way too much money to be made in bloodshed
and the instruments and infrastructure thereof. War is a good business. Invest a child today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. +1....n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:17 PM
Response to Original message
12. Release them....
...covering up a wrong is never the way to go.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
15. Release them. Truth over cowardice.
NT!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
17. k&r
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Welcome back, Brother!
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. oi!
:hi:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 05:27 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC