How does Leon Panneta know what happened in 2002???

[LSK]

Hes going by CIA "records", he wasn't there. Why is his voice supposed to matter?

[davidwparker]

1. Who is heading the CIA today?

[bigwillq]

2. Panneta is the CIA director (nt)

[davidwparker]

15. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5663461&mesg_id=5663558

[LSK]

6. TODAY

Not in 2002.

[davidwparker]

14. The point being, he has access to more information than you do. And, the

further point being that Nancy is Speaker of the House and can initiate hearings. She does have the power to defend herself if she has nothing to hide.

I've long argued that she is complicit (among many) and why she would allow things to be "taken off the table."

Personally, I would LOVE to see this escalate within DC. The the snakes and rats just go at it.

[LSK]

17. she voted against the war, how is she complicit???

She may be guilty of play politics with the impeachment angle, believing that it would hurt the 2008 election. But I do not think she is some sort of war monger.

[davidwparker]

26. She is complicit because she had the power to do oversight and chose not

to.

At that time, we all wondered after the Democrats came to power in 2006 why there were no hearings on torture and other things related to Iraq -- why impeachment was off the table.

Many Dems became complicit in the crimes by having knowledge of it or should have. At that time, we did conclude that not pursuing investigations involved some kind of self-preservation, if not outright blackmail. So, when Pelosi's candor has now come into question, why is it surprising?

Again, Pelosi could bring it all out by having hearings. She is Speaker. She won't because she knew. Pelosi, and others, gave the Bush admin "cover."

They knew.

We knew. We know.

[Fresh_Start]

3. even funnier, given that grahams records show that

3 of the 4 briefings he received never occurred at all, wouldn't panneta shut up and check out his own house

[LSK]

9. exactly, his only information comes from suspect information

[jbnow]

18. Panetta just mentioned their own contemporaneous notes but didn't say

that was the final answer...said they had to reach own conclusions (or whatever)

Keeping mouth shut when head of agency probably isn't the answer

[napi21]

4. He's a boss standing ny his employees. Right or wrong, he has to do that

to gain & keep their support.

[LSK]

7. yes, I understand that, but his voice shouldn't really have much bearing

He was not there at the time.

[Fresh_Start]

12. no, employees don't want BS or errors by their superiors

they want superiors with credibility so that the organization has credibility.

[napi21]

23. On most cases I would agree with you, but this time, I think most

if not all the workers at the CIA KNEW what Bushco was up to, and I doubt they wanted any part of the deception. Because The Shrub admin. lied, and concealed everything at all levels, I can't believe they were all honest and truthful when briefing Congress about the activities of the CIA either. Secrecy is the soul of the CIA, but I don't think theagents want any part of lying and appreciate their new boss backing them up.

[Fresh_Start]

24. but how much worse does it look when Graham can prove

that 3 of the 4 so-called briefings never happened.

[napi21]

25. All Leon said was it is not policy or practice for us to lie to congress.

He didn't vouch for the authenticity of what the briefers said, in fact even THEY said "these statements are from memory of what was done SEVEN YEARS AGO! There are no notes!"

[LakeSamish706]

5. I don't know why he is saying anything.... Just because he is the head of the CIA now...

He is a Democrat and should be either shutting the fuck up or back up the Democrat... Geez

[EFerrari]

8. Defending CIA is his job. It's not personal.

[bullimiami]

10. he doesnt believe they would lie to him. pretty gullible.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Right. George Tenet was Director in 2002

He should be the first to be hauled up in front of the Special Prosecutor.

[kentuck]

13. They got the records from the Italians?

Naw! They wouldn't do that. :-)

[Algorem]

16. Cheney told Bush II who told Bush I who told Bill Clinton who told Panneta

[moondust]

19. He doesn't. The records were probably falsified.

To cover their asses.

[kentuck]

21. What a system!

What a fraud! The CIA briefs a few individuals from the Congress but they cannot take notes. The CIA takes notes and they can change them as they want and nobody can credibly challenge them. The notes or records of the CIA are not worth the paper they are written on. Furthermore, the Congress is not looking out for the citizens of this country by agreeing to such a deal.

[spanone]

20. he's been told.

[LaPera]

22. Panneta has decided to be a lying snake for the CIA -Oh, don't they just love Leon you pile of shit

[Hubert Flottz]

27. I really don't trust that guy!

Never did!