Pelosi Now Feels The Backlash For Taking Impeachment Off The Table

[WeDidIt]

She exposed herself on the left by taking impeachment off the table.

Now she's experiencing a right flank attack over the briefings on torture, and nobody is there to protect her left flank.

She's toast now.

And it's all her fault.

I, for one, have no inclination to defend her because she didn't defend me. SHE took impeachment off the table. She failed me. I have no obligation to stand up for her now.

She made her bed.

She can lay in it.

[Captain Hilts]

1. She had nowhere near the numbers to make impeachment work. nt

[WeDidIt]

3. Number meant exactly NOTHING

She took even the possibility off the table.

Numbers meant exactly nothing after that.

[shadowknows69]

7. It was their consitutional duty to try

And have it on the record.

[Robbien]

10. Cop out

Not only is that a cop out, she labeled the idea of impeachment a leftwing crazy conspiracy idea and declared to all and sundry "NO WAY. IT IS OFF THE TABLE. MOVE ON."

[WhiteTara]

14. that didn't matter...she took it

Off the table...her words. Somehow I think she thought that action would save her and the party; but I think she had a massive fail.

[creeksneakers2]

26. Pelosi's strategy had fantastic results

We now have a Democratic president and big majorities in both houses of Congress. Instead of wasting years on wild goose chases, we got rid not just Bush, but all his evil movement.

And we still can investigate Bush. We can even do it better because sometimes Obama declassifies stuff. New items are coming out every day.

Thank God the far left didn't get the chance to screw us up on that one.

[WeDidIt]

27. Taking it off the table meant there would be no chance whatsoever

She removed a fundamental check the legislative branch has on the executive branch completely.

There was not even the possibility of impeachment because she took it off the table.

She didn't HAVE TO impeach, but by taking it off the table she told the Bush adminsitration they had fiat to do as they pleased with no possibility of consequences.

For that, I have no sympathy and will not lift a finger to defend her in a scandal of her own making.

[creeksneakers2]

34. Its not a scandal of her own making

Its a right wing manufactured media event to distract from the real news. Today we find out that Cheney wanted to have somebody tortured who wasn't even a terrorist. The object was to beat a false confession out of an Iraqi intelligence official to provide post-invasion propaganda about links between Iraq and Al Queda. None of those bombshells are in the news though, because everybody is chasing after Pelosi, not based on anything she did, but on something she might possibly have had a chance to complain about.

Which concerns you more?


If we had impeached Bush and had the votes, the far left would have dumped the effort to go after Nancy Pelosi for something.

[WeDidIt]

36. No, it's IS a scandal of her own making

After being briefed, she had a choice between doing what is right and doing what is easy.

Doing what is right would have been to expose the crimes, but lose her political career.

Doing what was easy was to save her political career, but let the criminals get away.

She chose what was easy, and that makes her complicit.

[WhiteTara]

29. I think you give Nancy more credit than

she deserves. I do believe that Howard Dean gave us the big victories.

[creeksneakers2]

35. And Barack and others and especially the good netizens

of the left.

[EFerrari]

44. Nancy Pelosi did not give us a Democratic President and Congress.

Howard Dean and George Bush did that. We are not rid of Bush and his evil movement. Since no one has been held accountable, they are all free to continue in government just as the IranContra felons did that went right into Bush's administration.

Obama does not sometimes declassify stuff. His admin released those memos as a result of a court order.

[ibegurpard]

2. you don't have to defend her

just stop allowing the conversation being about her and put it BACK WHERE IT BELONGS!

[WeDidIt]

5. Personally, I think going after her is a damned good start

IF she goes down, they all go down.

[ibegurpard]

8. Nah

Go after THEM
If she goes down, then it's acceptable collateral damage.

[Why Syzygy]

15. Since Newt is insisting on

investigating PELOSI, it might open things up a crack. Or ..

Republicans, meanwhile, were gleeful. House GOP boss John Boehner -- who wasn't in the briefings, and supports "enhanced interrogation" anyway, meaning he can throw stones at Pelosi without fear of breaking his own glass house -- said Thursday Pelosi had no standing to call for investigations of the Bush administration if she knew about the torture policies. "They were well aware of what these enhanced interrogation techniques were," Boehner said. "They were well aware that they had been used. And it seems to me that they want to have it both ways. You can't have it both ways." Republican aides said they'd happily go out and talk about Pelosi every day if Democrats contine to raise the idea of a commission to investigate torture. By Friday, the partisan bickering had descended into open warfare. Rep. Steve King, a rabid right-wing Republican from Iowa, told Fox News Pelosi was "an enemy of national security" and should resign her post.

And just like that, barely 48 hours after a former FBI agent told Congress the torture programs hurt intelligence gathering, the story was rapidly becoming yet another Washington political mess. Obama -- who had already disappointed supporters by seeming to rule out prosecutions for the Bush officials who authorized torture -- burned more good will with his own base by refusing to release new photos of detainee abuse. Now House Democrats, who could have most easily pushed the administration into going along with some kind of investigation, have problems of their own.

Cheney, safely ensconced in his McLean, Va., mansion, must be chortling all the way to his cave every night. After three decades in the top levels of U.S. government, he knows better than most how to set his opponents against themselves.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2009/05/15/pelosi_and_cheney/

[creeksneakers2]

28. The far left always ignores GOP crimes, even helps the GOP

to attack Democrats.

[GreenArrow]

37. Horseshit.

The "far left" NEVER ignores GOP crimes. Indeed, if the far left had been listened to regarding GOP crimes, many of the same persons now under fire in the GOP would likely have never been allowed to achieve the positions and power they did during the years of the Bush regime.

Concurrently, the same far left has equally little patience for any malfeasance committed by Democrats. The far left in general tends to have a belief, undoubtedly naive, that the men and women elected to be public servants live up to certain ideals of honesty, honor, truthfulness, and decency. That these ideals too often go unfulfilled does not temper the expectations.

[Justitia]

40. What a bunch of sanctimonious, self-righteous, bullshit. -eom

[ima_sinnic]

48. unliike the preceding poster, who must identify with the mediocre middle, I applaud this post

indeed, if the "far left" had been heeded about Vietnam, how many lives would have been spared? how many fewer disabled, messed-up Vietnam vets would we have now, the walking wounded among us?

If the "far left" had been listened to, the architects of Iran-Contra, the same vermin who orchestrated Watergate just as a training exercise, would have been busted and hanged from the gallows for treason. Bushes I & II never would have happened, nor would their wars.

Nancy Pelosi apparently felt that it was politically expedient to turn a blind eye to the egregious, outrageous illegal and barbaric practices of the bushies, so let her twist in the wind. We need "representatives" in Congress who truly DO represent We The People, not the plunderers and torturers.

[Justitia]

54. You don't know jack shit about me, more "holier-than-thou" posting from fantasyland.

Don't you people ever come down from your high horses? Or is that a cross you are nailed to?

I don't see this crap accomplishing ANYTHING but sowing hatred and derision.

[ima_sinnic]

56. of course, you don't sow hatred of the "holier-than-thou" "crap" posters of the left

who apparently challenge your narrow little unquestioning view of things.

[Justitia]

57. Actually, no I don't. I'm sick of the superior attitude of posts like yours.

Why take aim at me? Out of the blue? You have no idea what my ideas are or where my political ideology lies.
But yet, you simply want to assert your moral superiority by stepping on me.

Again, you know nothing about me, so don't try to label me from a position of ignorance.

[cascadiance]

49. Correction, the *mainstream* left goes after corrupt corporatists, Dem or Rethug!

We aren't "attacking Democrats"... We are wanting to clean up the party so that the corporate wing no longer enables and abets the completely corporate beholden Rethugs to continue their cancer in our government...

[Kickin_Donkey]

50. WTF ...

The so-called far left wants to investigate war crimes, torture, election theft, etc.

You're obviously some sort of moderate vis-a-vis your criticism of the "far left." Mushy moderates like you are the one's who want to "move on," let bygones be bygones, "don't rock the boat," respect the office, etc.

Give me a break.

[azmouse]

4. I'm sure the RW loves you.

This isn't about Pelosi any more. It's about RW attacks to distract.

[WeDidIt]

6. She should have thought about that when she took impeachment off the table

I have no problems with the pressure being applied to Pelosi right now.

[azmouse]

11. It's spilled milk, dude.

Why is she more important than boosh and cheenee? She's not. It's not even close.

You are vindictive and that's no better than the RW.

[WeDidIt]

18. It's bipartisanship

I don't give a fuck who was involved in torture at high levels, take 'em all down.

[GreenArrow]

38. No, it's about a self-righteous nation

that practiced torture as official policy, the would be kings who decreed it, and the low level lords and vassals who knew about the royal edict and found it more expedient or comfortable to let it happen with nary a peep of alarm, disgust or horror; perhaps they even found themselves in agreement with it. There is plenty of blame, in various gradations, to go around.

This is less a test of partisanship than one of national character, and one sadly, that the country is currently failing.

[theophilus]

9. If "they" or "we" had tried impeachment we would be all upset at

President McCain as we watched him on our black and white in our cardboard box down by the river.....imo.

[azmouse]

12. You think we'd still have electricity with McCain in the WH?

You are an optimist.

[obliviously]

22. What does

this have to do with eye doctors and electrics.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. There's no historical precedent for that

In 1868, the Republicans impeached Democratic President Andrew Johnson and went on to win the next presidential election, and, in fact, most of the presidential elections for the next 44 years.

In 1974, Democrats all but impeached Richard Nixon, and they went on to win the next presidential election.

In 1998, Republicans impeached Bill Clinton, and went on to take control of the White House in the 2000 election.

In the two cases of actual impeachment, the charges were trumped up, but the party doing the impeachment still gained control of the White House in the next presidential election. In the case of the near-impeachment of Nixon, it would have been justified, and the party tat had been starting the impeachment proceedings still won the next presidential election.

[WhiteTara]

13. yep. I sent her a note today

saying just that. I reminded her of my mother's saying "If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas."

[jaysunb]

16. She's not "toast."

Try to remove the hook from your mouth as it is clear you've already taken the bait....:evilfrown:

[WeDidIt]

19. She is toast

She will lose her postion as Speaker of the House over this.

And I won't lift a finger to defend her while it happens.

[PopSixSquish]

39. No She Won't

[tavalon]

53. Unfortunately, she won't

I wish it were so as I have never and will never forgive her for taking impeachment off of the table but she seems to have the same teflon Bush had.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. No, she's "crumbie"

heh.

[Taverner]

17. You know, this is Shakespearian

[glitch]

52. It has been since Poppy decided going into politics would make his father proud.

Or maybe since Prescott decided going into politics would make HIS father proud.

[polichick]

20. Hopefully Obama will learn from it and cut the "looking forward" crap.

[Bluebear]

24. +1

[WeDidIt]

25. +2

[dipsydoodle]

30. +3

n/t

[nc4bo]

32. +4. nt

[Forkboy]

21. Please see my reply to you in another thread on this matter.

[Marr]

23. I agree with you, and I think the question we should be asking eviscerates her.

Where is the Special Prosecutor? I mean, if she's really as clean as she claims, why not get a real investigation of the Bush torture programs going? Why not have a Special Prosecutor?

If Democrats don't want to be tarred with this issue, the solution is very simple. Investigate and prosecute the guilty parties. Simple as that.

[creeksneakers2]

31. A special prosecutor would spend years

looking at the whole thing. Meanwhile, everything he would find would be secret. The legal hurdles would be incredible.

Better to expose the truth and reap the political damage to the GOP.

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[Vidar]

41. I agree. Unfortunately, Obama is now following in her footsteps.

[thedeanpeople]

42. k&r

[Senator]

43. Impeachophobia Has Serious Side Effects

Avoiding treatment just makes them worse.

Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and others need to get to a Cranial-Rectoscopist.

Unless we get right on torture, all we have to "look forward" to is more dishonesty and disgrace.

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[omega minimo]

47. as in decades of it.......................... ..........................

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

45. backlash my ass, lets waterboard her

after all, impeachment would have put an end to that shit too.

[Justitia]

55. JFC

[omega minimo]

46. Bullshit post and FU for including my "she made her bed" post in your tacky shite

:evilfrown: