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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:25 AM Original message |
Rumsfeld kept rescue choppers from Katrina |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. Rumsfield must be tried in court for this. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Yet, he won't |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. Just incredible |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. to be fair |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Your daughter's information about the years of warnings about the levees is spot on. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. ..And if we had had a decent "decider" he never would have been premitted this kind of power. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The TX chimp couldn't decide what kind of sandwich to eat. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
59. Delusional. Better figureheads were available. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Frank Rich you linked to is not about NOLA. nt |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Neither is the GQ article - it is about Rumsfeld |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
6. That's the first thing I've ever read that showed Bush had a shred of decency; |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I dont believe that part of the story |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I believe it- Bush was cognizant his image was tarnished,IMO. So from that angle |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I dunno |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Do you remember how bad their response made Bush look? |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. That part does rather smell. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
64. Well remember Bush didn't see the news reports until Thursday |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
99. Yes, I also find it this unlike anything I've ever seen or heard before re Bush . . . |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. it's a lie; that's why. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
62. How do you know he didn't make that statement |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. I was wondering if the unknown advisor was being charitable & glossed over for the writer. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
97. Yes -- and that moment has to be acknowledged . . . but it was tragic . . . |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #97 |
106. By who? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. Do you really think Bush has nothing to do with his father's power nexus? |
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destes (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:35 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Perfect. The audacity of power and corruption. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. if you go into the history of india, at least, you'll find that some of the |
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destes (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Yeah, and before that allies of the Moguls...... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. not to my knowledge. but the ancestors of john forbes kerry were huge in both india & china. |
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destes (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Then we shall hoist them on their own petards......... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. it's direct descendancy from the drug dealers & slave drivers. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. Rummy the Dummy, Baka Skebei, should be tried in court...and neutered |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
98. Was Rumsfeld playing dumb with Bush . . . ? |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
8. Americans died because of the inactions of the Bush administration in Katrina |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
74. EXACTLY! |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
76. And we'll never know how many died, either. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
117. Don't forget the trains...I never hear anyone talking about them. |
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Champion Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. Arrest Rummy now |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. Could Rumsfeld be Prosecuted For This? |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. I think Rummy may be the weak link, the first of big fish to fry. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
81. rummy=hate |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. Check out those covers at the link |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
100. I well remember that JFK fired Gen. Edwin Walker ---- yeah . . . guy Oswald supposedly shot at -- |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
15. Why the hell are we only finding out about this now? /nt |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. Historical rewrite of the Bush* years??? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. More evidence |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Think "Chucky" nt |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. One piece of BS in the article I disagree with and have articles that would dispute |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Thank you for that. Knowing those who were there immediately and being there 2 wks later myself |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I was stuck at the computer but I have gigabytes of articles about Katrina |
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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. thank you for posting |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. As an eye-witness to the miles-long caravan of cars with out-of-state license plates |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Well, the Red Cross stayed outside for a long time and said it would not endanger their workers. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. It might be worth writing to the author about that. The DUer accounts from NOLA were a testament... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Hekate! Are you all right after the fires? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Aww, thanks Omega. Yes, we're good until the next one. It gave me asthma, but hey... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. So is it safe |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Absolutely, only Reagan's Liberry was never in danger |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Given the slant of the article, & given that anyone who was paying attention |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
75. I suspect the GQ article is all about throwing Rummie under the bus |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. i suspect you're right. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. IT. WAS. GENOCIDE...................... TELEVISED. RACIST. GENOCIDE. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
101. That's my belief -- GOP . . . sexist, racist, homophobic . . . |
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KeepItReal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. FEMA stopped and turned away 18 wheeler trucks full of supplies |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
102. And, again, we've never had any real investigations of what the |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. "Is that the United States of America or some Third World nation..." bullshit. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. "Why are DU-ers facilitating bush's history rewrite?" Damn good question. nt |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
26. K&R |
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Badgerman (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
27. You must ask: Who is worse? The doer of the deed or those who will not punish! Think about it. n/t |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. The doer of the deeds. We don't know yet about the other, but we do know Rummy et al are evil... |
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Badgerman (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
77. Doers can be insane, to not lock them up or medicate is a concious choice to allow them to continue! |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
61. If nothing is done too the doer of the deed, then those who will not punish, of course. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
28. On the other hand, Rumsfield did promote torture, so he's got that going for him. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
30. The GQ article was so well written by Robert Draper -- K&R. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. Didn't the Blue Dogs just love Rumsfeld? |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
35. Fucking psychopath. He needs to spend more time with his prison cell. n/t |
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yoyossarian (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. Delusional is not the word I'd use... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
42. I'll never forget calling my (then) Senator, a Republican, and screaming at his staff |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I called Bill Gates (am in WA) and did the same thing |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
70. I did that too - glad I'm not the only one |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
103. This was a precedent in national emergency non-action by Repugs . . . |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
45. Rumsfeld is a monster in human form--a murdering monster. People need these periodic reminders... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
46. Katrina NOLA was American genocide. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
47. And the rehabilitation of George Bush's legacy begins... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. totally my thought. Which eye-witness is providing this belated testimony, again? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
55. Someone diverted the choppers that were going to stop the flooding. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
63. They all sat and did nothing . They are all guilty. |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
65. Bullshit. |
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SusanaMontana41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
66. Read the GQ article yesterday |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
67. I call BS on what Shrub allegedly said. NORTHCOM was waiting to be called in by him |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. Found a link to BBC video of interview with NORTHCOM officer |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Thank you for digging this up. As you can see I was pretty active on that thread and at one |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Thank you again for bringing it up. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
111. Rumsfeld's hands were tied. Shrub had to suspend posse comitatus in order to allow |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Northcom waited while those bastards tried to make political hay out of Blanco |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
68. IIRC everyone was on vacation-staffers had to compile a DVD for Bush to watch |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
69. "The president cut Rumsfeld to pieces." I call bullshit... |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
71. memos will do major damage to our relationship w/Middle Eastern countries |
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DesertDiamond (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
72. This actually gives me a modicum of respect for GW Bush... |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #72 |
112. Don't give him too much credit... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
73. Add several hundred counts of manslaughter to the |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
78. Heads must roll!!! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
79. But we can't hang him? What kind of pension is he getting from us? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
80. This is patent nonsense about bush having a rant. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
104. Time will tell . . . |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. Rumsfeld must have sent to much time at his vacation home Mount Misery |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
83. The article says federal troops weren't sent in because rumsfeld didn't |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. "The president holds the power" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Federal troops get limited role in Katrina work |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Bush politicking delayed Nat'l Guard for a WEEK after Katrina |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Blanco spoke DIRECTLY TO BUSH during this turf war: |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. IIRC you are correct... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. bush had the power to send in federal troops from day one. his father did it for a riot. |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. A large portion of the National Guard was in Iraq, that was part of the problem |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Right, and moving to a Federal troop system for domestic use would simply FREE UP more troops |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Nothing to do with it. Special federal units (not NG) have capability to deploy |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
91. Those bastards are ALL responsible. I don't believe for a minute * gave a rats a$$ about any of it. |
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agentS (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-19-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
113. More reason to keep Rethugs out of office |
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bdab1973 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-20-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
119. That article isn't exactly accurate... |
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