do Ford employees make $50/hr?

[Deja Q]

Some relatives of mine think that... even suggesting that it is an accumulated value (wages + health benefits), they still said it was too much.

I gave up on the fight, especially the health care one and it's weird because we agree on that and a bunch of other things too...

Never mind, in their day, minimum wage had so much more buying power...

[BlooInBloo]

1. (shrug) Why bother talking with anti-worker people?

[Deja Q]

3. Because they're misfed information. Why not counter that and persuade with real information?

Maybe they have a point, but their 1 point can be countered by 6 points.

Preaching to the choir is boring anyway...

[billyoc]

13. Because convincing like minded people to take action is effective,

trying to convince reactionaries to change their thinking is not.

[spanone]

2. no, the repukes say all u.s. auto workers make 70 an hour...except my brother makes 28 @ gm

[Jeep789]

4. Do they also think that CEO's making billion dollar bonuses

is too much? Why is it that the same people that think unionized workers make too much usually think CEO pay is fair?

[Deja Q]

6. Never got a chance to go that far.

Good tactical strategy; ask too many questions and the subject gets changed. :)

Now I won't deny unions, in some ways, HAVE gone too far. Doesn't mean they're entirely wrong or that CEOs are innocent little sheep being slaughtered in this financial nightmare either...

[w4rma]

9. I disagree that unions may have gone to far. IMHO, they haven't gone far enough.

And that reason is that American workers aren't unionized enough. Which is why EFCA is so important. That bill has the ability to turn our economy around in time.

[Jeep789]

15. I take it that some are jealous of those that have similar skill sets

and make more than they do. Wouldn't it be a better strategy to attempt to lift their incomes instead of knocking down the incomes of the comparative group?

[pacalo]

11. Yes! Good example would be Lee Raymond of Exxon in 2006...

Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.

http://abcnews.go.com/gma/story?id=1841989

And the Repukes have the gall to inflate auto workers' wages by including benefit costs?

[pacalo]

5. The "accumulated value" in determining their wages is a first for me.

When one fills out an application for employment, they certainly don't follow this line of reasoning when indicating what wage they expect to receive.

This was the brainchild of the heartless, mind-twisted Repukes who resent anyone from getting any help from the government.

Shameful.

[Joe the Liberal]

7. Typical republican nonsense.......

It's ok for a CEO to make millions pushing paper around but it's not ok for the average worker who works on the factory floor to make $50 an hour?

[imdjh]

8. I think there is a perception that it's unskilled labor

I personally find very few occupations to be unskilled. Yes, there are jobs that most anyone can do, but can they do them day in and day out for years? I can pick tomatoes for a day- I'm pretty sure I can't do it for a week.

I'm pretty sure that the noise and constant standing would make an auto assembly job outside my abilities. That doesn't mean it should pay $100,000/yr, but as you said, it doesn't pay that. $56,000 a year is pretty good pay for working in a factory, and I think it inspires envy. Paying a plumber generally inspires anger. Ultimately, though, a person has to accept that his envy or anger is at himself for not making enough money so that he can afford what he wants. Taking responsibility is a tough thing for most people.

[tech3149]

16. I think the "unskilled labor" idea really nails it

I don't think there is one executive that could work on the line for a year without getting canned for poor performance or quit because they couldn't handle the job.

[TahitiNut]

10. Some do ... they're called "managers" and "executives" and "engineers."

NOT the UAW workers on the assembly line, however. :shrug:

[angstlessk]

12. well, hell the ceo of the union...er uh..the president of the union only makes

145,000 per year..so .. I recon his is not very overpaid according to scale??

PS...bullshit I call...50 per hour is over 100,000 per year...and NO WORKER IS PAID THAT EVAH!!!

[excess_3]

14. starting pay is what $$ an hour? n/t