Wars end progressive movements

[SoCalDem]

Last night I watched a great documentary about Lewis Hine..

For those who do not know of him, he was a wonderful photographer who was largely responsible for ending (trying to) child labor. He also went up with the ironworkers who built the Empire State Building, and documented the amazing feat of engineering (at that time).

He was a card-carrying member of the progressive movement, and had high hopes that it would continue, and make permanent changes, but when WWI came along nationalism, hyper-patriotism and all the kneejerk reactions that go hand in hand with those things, happened, and the progressives were labeled subversive, and anyone who remembers the Palmer raids, know what happened next.

The depression brought out the progressive movement again when they tried to help the dust bowl farmers, the unemployed, the destitute, and yet another war came along, and once again, the progressive movement was shoved aside..

It took until the 60's for progressives to start up again with civil rights, women's rights, and oddly enough there was another war, but this time theprogressives were stronger, and refused to be cowed by the government, but having said that, the progressives were again thwarted by media & heavyhanded government, and a series of deep recessions. The progressives actually "won" their battles of the 60's, but ended up losing their "war" on unfairness. This time around was a bit different, because the VietNam was was seen as unnecessary, so it did not instill the hyper-patriotism, but the reaction to the protesters of it, was as harsh as ever.

Right wing types have always been against progressives, because at the heart of progressive movements, is the belief that people should share..all people..with all people..and that no ONE class should dominate or subjugate any other class.. See the "problem" here?

When progressive movements catch on, the only was to stop them in their tracks, is to unify everyone else..against them.. they have to be made out to be subversive, dangerous, anti-american..and in need of dismantling.

Wars are usually the easiest way to achieve this.

If you have the Documenatry Channel, look for a re-airing of the documentary

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. On September 10, 2001 there were still millions who believed Chimpy was not a legitimate pResident

But it soon became "unthinkable" to say so in public. Despite the stories circulating even at the time that the final Florida ballot count (not sanctioned by Jeb & Cruella) was due to be released that very week, and was just one of many reasons why Chimp would have welcomed what he would himself later call "the Trifecta" that came to him "accidentally" :eyes:

[azul]

2. Natural progression is to peace.

Testosterone has about fizzled us out and cooked the planet.

When there are not enough women we get strife and war. What does that suggest?

[SoCalDem]

3. It may suggest that mothers do not have much control over their male children

:(

[azul]

9. Except in China, where they chose to have more boys that necessary?

Mars Needs Women http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060672/

[Odin2005]

4. Man-bashing BS!

[azul]

6. Peace loving!

Bowing in awe to Mother Earth and her children.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how? Joan Baez

[azul]

7. School of the Americas: retrogression.

How to win friends and influence your uncle?

[Mike 03]

8. Fascinating post. You have definitely got me thinking. NT