Winterblues
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Thu May-21-09 12:32 PM
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So do you think Obama really means what he said in this quote from his speech today? |
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Edited on Thu May-21-09 12:33 PM by Winterblues
"But we must do so with an abiding confidence in the rule of law and due process; in checks and balances and accountability."
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Thu May-21-09 12:34 PM
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1. Well, he's given mixed messages - I sure hope he means it. |
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Thu May-21-09 12:34 PM
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2. Well, what do you think? |
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Or was that a rhetorical question?
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Thu May-21-09 12:36 PM
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3. I think I don't care about speeches anymore. I want deeds. I don't trust the words anymore. nt |
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Thu May-21-09 12:38 PM
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7. Me either - he talks a good game, but recent actions tell a different story. |
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Thu May-21-09 12:48 PM
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12. Agree with you 100%/ n/t |
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Thu May-21-09 12:50 PM
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15. I still hope there will be a good explanation, like Cheney insiders... |
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...getting in the way of sanity, or something.
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Thu May-21-09 12:37 PM
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Thu May-21-09 12:37 PM
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5. I think Obama means everything he says |
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Which is why he has already stated that the AG will be investigating the former administration.
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Thu May-21-09 12:42 PM
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but there's so many posters who thrive on negative shit it's pathetic. To quote the Rude Pundit.. ""Stop acting like the other guy is still President, you poor, traumatized bastards."http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5696214
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Thu May-21-09 12:38 PM
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6. Sounded to me from other things he said, that he is giving |
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the criminals a pass -- for having acted on good intentions. That's no excuse for beating up people. Spousal and child abuse (when in the form of beating) are often based on subjective "good intentions." No excuse. Let a jury decide. We need an objective judgment here.
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Thu May-21-09 12:40 PM
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Thu May-21-09 12:42 PM
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10. I don't think he can fulfill all of that relying on the military tribunals |
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. . . due process is one that I don't expect to find much of in regard to the detainees.
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Thu May-21-09 12:45 PM
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11. Speeches just don't count for shit. |
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Thu May-21-09 12:49 PM
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Depends on the socioeconomic class and the political clout of the criminal.
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Thu May-21-09 12:50 PM
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However, I think it means accountablity in all things.
Accountability to prosecute for crimes, but also accountability to push progressive legislation through congress over the next eight years.
Given congress's recent overwhelming vote to prevent the closing of Gitmo, I think it has to be asked if those two things are mutually exclusive.
If you could prosecute Bush and Cheney (with no promise of a conviction) but throw away economic recovery, health care reform, gay rights, etc. would you do it?
It's becoming increasingly clear that doing everything you want to do is a pipe dream.
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Thu May-21-09 12:51 PM
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16. Words are meaningless... |
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I want to see actions. President Obama is a good speaker, but some people need more than a good speech to mollify them.
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Thu May-21-09 12:54 PM
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I believe he is sincere. I believe he will try. Unfortunately, I also believe that no drama Obama will constantly look for the avenue of low controversy and minimal confrontation. This will result in no prosecutions, minimal investigations, and continued protection of those that committed atrocities and war crimes.
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Thu May-21-09 12:55 PM
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18. Road to hell vs good intentions. |
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Thu May-21-09 12:59 PM
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20. I wish DU would really listen with the idea of learning, stopping the Obama bashing. |
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This is giving cover for Cheney's end justifies means. Here we are the national security never an issue side. Sorry, but truth is in the middle on this.
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Thu May-21-09 01:00 PM
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21. "rule of law, due process, etc" + military tribunals = oxymoron. |
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Edited on Thu May-21-09 01:03 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
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Thu May-21-09 01:09 PM
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22. Words without deeds are just..... words |
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Theres too many instances of Obama backtracking on his campaign promises to take anything he says without a "liberal" grain of salt.
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Thu May-21-09 01:13 PM
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23. His actions are speaking much louder than his words. |
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Thu May-21-09 01:15 PM
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24. I hope so - those are the exact words I used to him in my message |
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Edited on Thu May-21-09 01:41 PM by csziggy
At his website during the transition.
Edited to add: I was not talking about just the Gitmo detainees, either.
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