Healthy debate among our own is only to be feared by those who didn't listen to -- Obama himself!

[democrat2thecore]

Just because Obama is president doesn't mean we silently kick back and let him do things that some of us believe are at odds with what's best for the average American. I remember the campaign well and I remember candidate Obama insisting we hold his feet to the fire. But, when some of us do that here at DU - we're accused of "snapping up rightwing bait." (That "snapping" comment was written by a poster in a thread in GD-P)

Sorry - healthy debate among our own is the very essence of being a Democrat (big D and little d). And, again, he said in the campaign that he's only human and when he's elected he expects us to hold his feet to the fire. What does that mean - if not questioning policies that seem to fly in the face of campaign rhetoric?

[JeffR]

1. He was right, you're right and yet the same tedious debate

about the debate seems destined to continue here ad infinitum. I wish we could all find something to argue about other than arguing. It's as stale as a 100-day old Triscuit.

[democrat2thecore]

5. Actually

I was hoping that it might lessen the tension over "the debate about the debates" by reminding people that President Obama, himself, asked us during the campaign to hold him to the ideals he had expressed across the country; and when his actions as president don't match the words he was speaking then - to remind him loudly. Call me naive, but I believe that he meant it knowing that Washington isolates a president.

[vaberella]

2. Sure there's healthy debate and then there's...."Obama=Bush."

I find your post ridiculously one-sided and as targeted as you find the people who you consider to be classing you as a shill (in effect). Look, I can take a discussion the best as any body.

I just find threads with that title..or posts that say, "That's change we can believe in." <---Sarcastically. Or, "It's not change we can believe in." Are people who already have a predisposed mindset that will not facilitate a real discussion.

And from what I am inferring from your post, you're defending the people above and well...then I would say you were rightfully accused of "snapping up rightwing bait" because all the comments above sound like right wing tp.

[democrat2thecore]

3. Reminding DU what Obama asked of us is wrong to put in the subject?

My post was "one-sided?" How can a post that states a position based on a comment from our president when he was a candidate somehow include another view? That's just arguing for arguments sake. I thought what I wrote was worth thinking about because he said it repeatedly and I haven't seen anyone here at DU mention it.

[leftstreet]

4. If you don't like those statements, don't click on the threads

problem solved

[vaberella]

10. I didn't click on the Bush=Obama thread.

However the thread that has the other posts are included in response threads so it's not as easy as people like to think...to click away stupidity.

And in regards to the OP and your post...if you don't like the posts where those agree on one part or another with O---then don't click on the thread if it's that easy.

[Captain Hilts]

6. Obama is NOT GWB and those threads piss me off too. nt

[DireStrike]

9. I don't think posts with sarcastic "change" remarks show such a mindset.

"....posts that say, "That's change we can believe in." <---Sarcastically. Or, "It's not change we can believe in." Are people who already have a predisposed mindset that will not facilitate a real discussion."

Those sort of statements are facilitated by Obama's own marketing of himself. If you hold yourself out to be a proponent of change and hope, people are going to apply their own meanings to those words.

Personally I wouldn't use such a statement (anymore) because it's tired and not even close to funny or witty. However, I do feel all the time like it could be said: where's the change? It's just such an obvious statement that it can't be avoided by people who expected some kind of real structural change out of Obama.

It depends on what you're discussing. If you try to talk about the general thrust of Obama's presidency, yeah we are probably not gonna agree at the moment. However, I'm quite open to discussing all manner of other things, including specific things Obama is acting on or has already acted on.

[vaberella]

11. The quotes were used by Right Wing shills UNTIL O was not meeting the demands of the left.

Then it was taken up by the left. So yes, I do have problems with it and I do think it says something about the individual.

[pleah]

7. K&R

[emsimon33]

8. I remember when Obama said that, too.