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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:09 PM
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Why I'm passing on hosting an OFA meeting for Healthcare reform
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

If this is the only information I'm getting on the plan, I'm not going to be organizing to support it. I'm not a policy wonk, but until I see a public option like you promised in the campaign, you can fight your own damn battle for quasi-reform.

No bill is better than a bad bill.

Sorry Barack, I'm not a sheep.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:23 PM
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1. I'm not either
They don't give us a clue of any details and we are closed out of any of the decision making. I usually do this kind of stuff too but not this time.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:39 PM
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4. I'm pretty sure I'm done with that group altogether
I'd rather volunteer for a progressive group than one that is controlled by the White House. I've got better things to do with my time than be a cheerleader.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 07:38 AM
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49. The flip side of this is that it's amusing to see right-wing critics attack the "plan".
They're not sure what the plan is either, but they're certain it's Soviet-style communism.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:30 PM
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2. Me either - not even attending a meeting. Time for the admin. to get its priorities straight.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:34 PM
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3. I sent a message demanding a public option. n/t
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:49 PM
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30. I have sent many memos demanding Single-payer.
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Ocracoker16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:52 PM
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5. I am not promoting something that has been highly compromised
I would have liked a public option. However, Obama decided to bring health insurance companies to the table and I no longer recognize the plan as a result of that. I will champion bold reform, but this healthcare plan is not reform.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:59 PM
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6. I concur
If he's unwilling to share details of what he thinks the plan will look like right now but is asking his election supporters to hold meetings of support it is a red flag to me this plan is going to be quite shitty.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:24 PM
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7. I wrote them back and told them that I couldn't support any movement
that doesn't give doctors, health care providers and patients an equal place in the discussions with the for profit insurers and PhRMA, meaning the single payer advocates. I got some nonsensical email back that had nothing to do with my position and thanking me for my participation. ????
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:27 PM
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8. Isn't that cute of them.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:46 PM
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12. All the more reason to attend and promote single payer n/t
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:10 PM
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37. I got about the same response to the Senator (Dem) that I wrote to.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:00 AM
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41. I did pretty much the same thing
got the same auto-reply back.

Boy do they take us for granted -- they assume we're right on board just because...well, because.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 02:13 PM
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53. Proof that they aren't paying any attention to us or even reading our comments. n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:31 PM
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9. I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue.
I think then I'll get my way, or maybe I'll just refuse to participate, that will show him! :sarcasm:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Yes
Edited on Sun May-24-09 08:44 PM by AllentownJake
I should enable him by holding rallies for a bill I have no clue what is going to be in it.

You want to hold a cheer leading rally for a health care plan you have no idea what's going to be in it fine by me.

For myself, before I bring friends and neighbors and ask them to sign on to support something, I'll wait till I see what I'm asking them to support.

Its summer, I'd rather go to the pool than organize for a plan I don't know what's in it. He wants the non-sheep support, give us some details. Otherwise I'm going swimming.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:56 PM
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16. You could attend a house party to voice your opinion.
To boycott them doesn't sent as powerful a message, it seems more like refusing to vote.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:59 PM
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17. These OFA meetings are worse than DU
I have the email addresses of people to voice my opinion and it will be known much more than me showing up at an OFA meeting being forced to lead a discussion group and play referee between the Obama can do no wrong crowd and the bomb throwers.

I'd rather visit my brother at the group home or have a drink with a friend.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:12 PM
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19. Fair enough, meetings are not all alike.
Ours are integrated with our US Congressman McNerney local groups and a little less divisive.

:thumbsup:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:16 PM
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21. Last one I held
I had a guy handing out Nader literature and speeches and demanding we indict Specter, the one before I had one nut compare our County Executive to Hitler, the one before that there was a McCain supporter who showed up to disrupt.

If I go to any of the other team leaders they will use me to take care of one of the break out groups because that's what we've been doing since February 2008.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:45 PM
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11. Jeebus! Organize a party and promote single payer and/or public option!
It's their dime, ferchrissakes.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:48 PM
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14. It is never their fucking dime
Everytime I've hosted one of these things it cost me about $30 for refreshments.

Than I have a mix of people that show up. Basically think of all the different types of personalities that are on DU ideologically and imagine them in your basement talking to each other in real life.

Lets just say, I also go into a $10 cost for a good six pack because I need a drink.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:20 PM
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22. Convincing people who start out thinking of themselves as at least Obama supporters
--is a bare minimum of what we need to do to pull everyone else along. If you think we can't do it, you are essentially accepting being screwn.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. I don't fully trust the administration right now on this issue
The public option is suddenly being talked about less and less and the possibility of taxing employee benefits more and more.

Those two aspects in the equation, and I may be organizing protest against the President.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. I don't either. Which is exactly why we need to use every venue possible
--for promoting single payer, or failing that, a good public option.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. From my experience
There are two types of Obama supporters that show up at these meetings. Those of us who worked our ass off because we were praying he wouldn't be another Bill Clinton, and those that no matter what he does or say it must be defended at all cost or W is coming back.

I already know locally who is who.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. You seem to be making a wise decision.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
45. Yeah! Great idea! Let's leverage what they give us to undermine the sell out of our future,
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:47 PM
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13. I did not opt out but I asked for more detail as to what
I was being asked to support and have not heard a word back. I'm not working to advance mandated for profit crap, nor for a pig in a poke.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. If that is what it is,
I will actively campaign against it. Using my list from the election.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:10 PM
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18. If the Democratic "Health Care Reform" .
....does NOT contain a viable Public Option ("like MediCare"), I will be organizing support rallies for a 3rd Party.
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Promise.
If you are smart, you will join me and let the Democratic Party KNOW your intentions.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:13 PM
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20. I like posting on here
So, I won't be talking about 3rd parties. However, democrats I donate my time and money to in the future will be more carefully vetted.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:25 PM
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25. HR 676 (Medicare for ALL) has 93 co-sponsors in the House.

That will be the list of Democrats I will still support.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:24 PM
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24. Obama never promised a "public option" in the campaign
Edited on Sun May-24-09 09:25 PM by Canuckistanian
Nor did Hillary.

In fact, they both advocated for some kind of mandatory participation in a private plan like in Massachusetts, in the vain hope that a vast number of participants could somehow lower costs.

It was discussed here endlessly. And also criticized.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Hillary wanted to expand Medicare which is the public option. Obama
said it was ok to omit about 16 million which is Baucus's definition of 'universal' coverage.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Hmm, I must have missed that part
Thanks for the clarification.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:57 PM
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33. She said the adminstrative structure was already in place.....
--which it is....and it would hold down costs. New new system would require a new administrative bureaucracy----adding billions to the cost.


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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:29 AM
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43. Not true! I heard him live with my own two ears!
Obama said health care reform would include a public option--bascially where we could buy into Medicare.

However, I now know that the only solution is national single payer health care. Anything less will only take tax dollars and further enrich the private health insurance companies.

Check out Bill Moyers' Journal for May 22 at pbs.org.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:42 PM
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28. I totally agree. Without a putlic option, the new bill will only make things worse.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:33 AM
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44. Can't even be a public option--must be single payer
Otherwise costs are not really reduced for medical providers who still need to spend inordinate time with the insurance paperwork of dealing with dozens of plans.

Also, with a public option, the private insurance companies would dump all the difficult to insure on it, making it costly and politically liable.

I would have settled for a public option, knowing that single payer was better, until I listened to the May 22 Bill Moyers Journal on pbs.com.

I urge you to take the time to hear the cons to even a public option.
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:58 AM
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46. Why single payer is the only solution--accept nothing less!
Please watch Bill Moyers Journal from May 22 on health care reform:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/watch.html

"DR. SIDNEY WOLFE: The seats at the table, or the witnesses at the hearing are, in a sense, controlled by the health insurance industry. They don't want someone essentially saying, "We don't need a health insurance industry. We can do what most other countries in the world have done. Have the government collect the money and pay the bills and get rid of all these people who are wasting $400 billion a year on excessive administrative costs.

"So, we have got a fragmented health insurance industry. And it thrives on being fragmented. The drug countries make much more money with the fragmentation, because there's no price control. The insurance companies make much more money, 'cause they can push away people who aren't going to be profitable. The only people that suffer are the patients."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/watch.html

or read the transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/transcript4.html
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:53 PM
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31.  Washington insiders are pushing the idea of taxing health benefits provided by employers..........

This email I got is a few months old--but taxing the benefits was in the news again these last few days!! This is "reform"????????

singlepayernews@unionsforsinglepayerhealthcare.org
to me

Mar 17




Washington insiders are pushing the idea of taxing health benefits provided by employers. It is an outrageous idea that had been proposed by Presidential Candidate John McCain and rejected by the nation.



Such a tax would undermine employer based health benefits without guaranteeing the care that would come with a single payer plan.



Only through single payer can we save the $400 billion annually from the profits and administrative waste of the private insurance companies.


You can express your opposition to taxing employer health benefits and your support for HR 676, national single payer health care, here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ and here: http://www.healthreform.gov/communityreports/comments.html


The New York Times
March 15, 2009
Administration Is Open to Taxing Health Benefits
By JACKIE CALMES and ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits, as several influential lawmakers and many economists favor, to help pay for overhauling the health care system.

The proposal is politically problematic for President Obama, however, since it is similar to one he denounced in the presidential campaign as “the largest middle-class tax increase in history.” Most Americans with insurance get it from their employers, and taxing workers for the benefit is opposed by union leaders and some businesses.

In television advertisements last fall, Mr. Obama criticized his Republican rival for the presidency, Senator John McCain of Arizona, for proposing to tax all employer-provided health benefits. The benefits have long been tax-free, regardless of how generous they are or how much an employee earns. The advertisements did not point out that Mr. McCain, in exchange, wanted to give all families a tax credit to subsidize the purchase of coverage.

At the time, even some Obama supporters said privately that he might come to regret his position if he won the election; in effect, they said, he was potentially giving up an important option to help finance his ambitious health care agenda to reduce medical costs and to expand coverage to the 46 million uninsured Americans. Now that Mr. Obama has begun the health debate, several advisers say that while he will not propose changing the tax-free status of employee health benefits, neither will he oppose it if Congress does so.

At a recent Congressional hearing, Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat whose own health plan would make benefits taxable, asked Peter R. Orszag, the president’s budget director, about the issue. Mr. Orszag replied that it “most firmly should remain on the table.”

Mr. Orszag, an economist who has served as director of the Congressional Budget Office, has written favorably of taxing some employer-provided health benefits and using the revenue savings for other health-related incentives. So has another Obama adviser, Jason Furman, the deputy director of the White House National Economic Council.

They, like other proponents, cite evidence that tax-free benefits encourage what Mr. McCain called “gold-plated” policies, resulting in inefficient and costly demands for health care and pressure on employers to hold down workers’ pay as insurance expenses rise. And, they say, the policy discriminates against those — many of whom are low-income workers — who do not have employer-provided coverage.

When Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, advocated taxing benefits at a recent hearing of the Finance Committee, which he leads, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner assured him that the administration was open to all ideas from Congress. Mr. Geithner did, however, allude to the position that Mr. Obama had taken as a candidate.

The administration’s receptivity to the idea is owed partly to the advocacy of Mr. Baucus, whose committee has jurisdiction over tax policy and health programs, and to support from Republicans. There is less enthusiasm among Democrats in the House, though the health debate is at an early stage and no comprehensive plans are on the table.

Also, Mr. Obama’s own idea for raising revenues for health care — limiting the income tax deductions that the most affluent taxpayers claim — has run into opposition not only from Mr. Baucus but also from his counterpart in the House, Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, who is chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.

Mr. Obama’s proposed limit on deductions would raise an estimated $318 billion over 10 years, or half of his proposed “health care reserve fund.” That is a fraction of the revenues that could be raised from taxing employer-provided health benefits.

In the campaign, Mr. McCain estimated that taxing all health benefits would raise $3.6 trillion over a decade — “a multitrillion-dollar tax hike,” one Obama advertisement said.

The Congressional Budget Office says that including health benefits in taxable income could mean $246 billion in additional revenue for a single year. Stopping short of full taxation, as Mr. Baucus and others suggest, would mean less new revenue.

The latest government figures, for 2007, show that 70 percent of the 253 million people with health insurance received at least some of their coverage through employers. Employment-based insurance covers three-fifths of the population under 65.

Those who want to tax benefits in whole or in part make two main arguments. They say the tax exclusion is a generous subsidy that insulates employees from the true costs of health care, leading them to demand more of it and driving up overall costs. Critics also say the policy is unfair because it favors higher-income people. “It’s too regressive,” Mr. Baucus said. “It just skews the system.”

But in a blueprint for health legislation that he issued last November, Mr. Baucus said taking the exclusion on health benefits out of the tax code would go “too far” and “cause widespread disruption in employer-based health benefits.” Mr. Obama has also said he wants to preserve employer-provided coverage. Mr. Baucus, in his paper, cited other options, like taxing benefits above some value, taxing only wealthy employees or both.

However the proposal is devised, advocates will not have an easy time selling it.

Republicans, like Mr. McCain and former President George W. Bush before him, tend to favor taxing the benefits to finance other incentives for people to buy their own insurance. But given Mr. Obama’s use of the issue in his campaign, Republicans are unlikely to support a change unless the president himself proposes it, a senior adviser to Senate Republicans said.

Many Democrats, especially House liberals, are opposed. “It’s a dumb idea,” said Representative Pete Stark of California, chairman of the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health. “We have to maintain as much as we can of the employer payments.”

Administration officials often say they will not repeat the mistakes of former President Bill Clinton, whose plan for universal health insurance collapsed in 1994. But Frank B. McArdle, a health policy expert at Hewitt Associates, a benefits consulting firm, said, “If President Obama agrees to cut back the tax break for employee health benefits, he will risk repeating one of Mr. Clinton’s errors by disrupting health insurance for people who have it and like it.”

Some big businesses consider nontaxable employment benefits a tool for recruiting and retaining workers. The United States Chamber of Commerce opposes eliminating the exclusion on health benefits, but James P. Gelfand, senior manager of health policy, said the group had not taken a position on limiting it.

Organized labor, a pillar of the Democratic Party base, considers the benefits among the union movement’s historic achievements for the middle class. But a split could be developing between the manufacturing unions, which have negotiated rich benefit packages, and the growing service employees unions, which include many low-wage workers without generous benefits.

Alan V. Reuther, legislative director of the United Automobile Workers, said: “These proposals would represent a tax increase on working families. They would undermine good health care coverage.”

But at the Service Employees International Union, which was an early supporter of Mr. Obama, Dennis Rivera, the coordinator of the union’s health care campaign, said that while his organization was “predisposed not to agree to the taxing of health benefits,” he would wait to pass judgment. The union, Mr. Rivera said, wants to see how any tax changes fit into the overall effort to revamp the health care system. “We need to see the total picture,” he said.

Distributed by:

All Unions Committee For Single Payer Health Care--HR 676
c/o Nurses Professional Organization (NPO)
1169 Eastern Parkway, Suite 2218
Louisville, KY 40217
(502) 636 1551
Email: nursenpo@aol.com


http://unionsforsinglepayerHR676.org

03/17/09
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. They tax benefits
I promise you I will write in Howard Dean for every single Democratic race in 2010.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:26 PM
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38. have a big supply of pencils at that time. .....
I am feeling down about this whole issue right now. It just seems to get worse each time I read something coming from DC.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:03 PM
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34. FOR Baucus "universal" means MEANS 12 to 18 million WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.......
Edited on Sun May-24-09 10:04 PM by snowdays
This is what you would be organizing for. Some version of this likely (HOW to pay for it TBA).






In case you missed this.
:mad: :puke: :puke: :mad: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject FOR Baucus "universal" means MEANS 12 to 18 million WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.......
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5714883#5715024
5715024, FOR Baucus "universal" means MEANS 12 to 18 million WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.......
Posted by snowdays on Sun May-24-09 10:17 PM




http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/may/sen_baucus_defines_.php

Posted on May 22, 2009
Sen. Baucus defines universal coverage


Health Care Reform Newsmaker Series: Sen. Max Baucus
Kaiser Family Foundation
May 21, 2009
John Reichard, CQ HealthBeat: I understood you to say, Senator, that you don’t expect to get to universal coverage, that you’re going to get it as close as you possibly can. Is that correct, and then, if so, what does that mean in terms of the ability to keep the health insurance industry at the table? You know, they’re saying that an individual mandate is necessary for guaranteed issue and rating reforms. Do those things then go away?

Senator Max Baucus: Oh, not at all. As a matter of fact, they’re very much there, and you’re correct in your sort of implications. A key to this is everyone having health insurance. It’s very, very hard to accomplish our objectives without everybody having health insurance. A primary objective is that everybody should have health insurance. That’s an objective in itself. Without that then… groups falling out, then it’s much more difficult to accomplish delivery system reform. We want the public and private health providers to be basically working together on delivery system reform. One way to get at that is to work with CMS.. work with the private sector. We want metrics, quality metrics so that CMS, Medicare and other providers are kind of working off the same page.

When I say we won’t get full universal coverage, CBO tells us we’ll get up to 94, 96 percent. There are always are going to be some people who just, you can’t find them, you know, don’t get health insurance. You never attain perfection. And this is going to be good. I think 94, 96 percent is pretty good. There will be, like undocumented aliens for example. We’re not going to cover undocumented… undocumented workers. That’s too politically explosive. But the main point that you want to make, the main point you are making is we will get near universal coverage. I like that word. Nearly everyone is going to have health insurance.


http://www.kff.org/healthreform/hr052109video.cfm

Comment:
By Don McCanne, MD

So according to Sen. Baucus, a key to reform is “everyone having health insurance.” By that he means that everyone will have health insurance - except the 12 to 18 million who won’t. That’s “pretty good,” he says.

Under single payer, instead of assigning an insurance product to each individual, everyone is automatically provided the health care that they need. They provide only their identification when they access care. Those individuals that you “can’t find” in advance will still receive care when they show up with medical needs. In a single payer system, everyone means everyone - no exceptions…………………
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:26 PM
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39. i'd guess that's exactly what they want. let the dissenters drop out
Edited on Sun May-24-09 11:26 PM by Hannah Bell
& the faithful herd the sheep into the preferred pens.

cause unless you want to take on the task of building the alternative, there's no recourse to the pens.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 07:01 AM
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47. As someone who was involved in the movement
We have strategies for dissenters.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:41 PM
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40. No baaaa. n//t
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:26 AM
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42. Y E S!!!! No bill is better than a bad bill, especially one that will use
tax dollars to fund private insurance arrogance and greed when the government pays for those who can't afford to pay. How will this NOT be like the Medicare prescription drug debacle!!!! Don't we ever learn from our mistakes?????

I am now prepared to fight this so called health care reform unless it is single payer and those who don't under stand need to check out Bill Moyers' Journal for May 22 on PBS.org. Health care reform MUST ne single payer or NOTHING!!!!!

And basically that was my response when I received the Obama email regarding June 6.


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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 07:36 AM
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48. I wish I could figure out
how to actually reach someone on his team that will listen to why I'm not hosting.

By the way, I hosted one in December and the majority wanted single payer.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:03 AM
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50. They get their marching orders from the White House
They develop the field plan but the policy that they are supporting at any given time comes from the White House.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:20 AM
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51. I hope you can contact the attendees and get them to actively
push for single payer. This battle is not lost at this time--they need to CALL and write or whatever they can do. Thanks.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 08:26 AM
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52. Me either
If there's no public option, I won't lift a finger or contribute a penny.

If they go for a Massachusetts-style corporate welfare (compulsory private insurance) plan, I'll actively work against it. I already have lousy private insurance, and I want the right to drop it if it gets too lousy.
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