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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:00 AM
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Screwed? Oh, let me count the ways.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 02:05 AM by Mythsaje
An economy in freefall. No serious attempt to address the cause and an insanely obsessive interest in talking about the symptoms. Money is flowing from our government into our corporations in bailout maneuvers that will, at best, simply slow the fall. HB-1 visas are devastating our IT employment rates, jobs are being off-shored at unchanging rates, we're in TWO wars with another country waving its nukes at us and blowing us a raspberry in the process.

Our for-profit and quantity over quality health care system is bleeding the people dry, but now they're talking about not only mandating insurance (what happens to people who are already on the edge who just can't take that one little push? and taxing benefits as income).

Let's also include the fact that a rather large proportion of the goods we receive from our "favored trading" partner (who happens to own roughly 40% of our debt) are either of very poor quality or actually toxic.

Higher education rates are skyrocketing, and anyone who could be considered "middle-class" (if they're lucky enough to get a job doing what they studied to do) start their working life under several tens of thousands worth of debt.

Now they're talking about a national consumption (VAT) tax to try to bring in more revenue.

Our media, for the most part, couldn't do a real bit of investigative journalism if its existence depended on it. Their idea of "information gathering" is asking the loudest asshole around what HE thinks about anything in particular. And, for a "liberal media" it sure spends a lot of time repeating Republican memes.

Our environment is taking hit after hit, and rather than making any really bold moves toward green energy, they've fallen into a holding pattern.

You have to ask. "Oh, fuck. What next?"

Our elected representatives, both legislative and Executive branch, having won their seats in a landslide victory based, very much part, on a mantra of Hope and Change, seem incapable of or unwilling to fight the battles that need to be fought to give us a fighting chance. I don't know. But, honestly, it's frustrating the shit out of me.

The Republicans are absolutely batshit insane. The banks and other industries come running to the government for bailouts, partially due the fact that the Republicans are so far in their pockets they're sucking lint and have been pushing the whole deregulation thing to the point this kind of financial tomfoolery was not only possible, but inevitable. But OUR leaders seem to have no interest in putting the brakes on with regards to this madness. How many things can we juggle at once without slipping and losing a leg as a result?

A leg upon the bleeding stump of which our government (with the brainless complicity of our media) will insist on slapping a happy-face spongebob band-aid before calling it good?

We elect these people to office because, allegedly, they know what the fuck they're doing? We come here and discuss these things because, for one, they matter, and for two, we're from much the same block of talent as the people we elect.

Yes, problems rarely have simple solutions. And each item we're dealing with has its own level of complexity. But that doesn't excuse a lack of meaningful movement toward ACTUAL PROGRESSIVE GOALS. We're trying to tiptoe through a pack of vicious attack dogs by saying "nice doggy," just hoping we don't get bitten. Guess what--we're going to get bitten. There is NOTHING the Democrats can't do that won't raise the right's ire. So why are we tip-toeing again? Why are we going into the battle for this country waving a white flag? "We know we can't get anything we really want, so we're just going to ask for this little thing okay?"

And then react with shock when we get bitten. News Flash: They're NOT going to cooperate with us. So why pretend they will? The very few moderate Republicans out there aren't the ball and chain that keeps us from overriding them--OUR OWN fucking representatives are. The DLC, the Blue Dogs, the "third way" people who either don't understand the stakes, are too timid to do anything remotely progressive, or are down there sucking lint with the Republicans in the corporate pocket.

We're out here shouting "HEY! Listen to us!" And they're sitting up there saying "So, who wants pizza?"

Corporations that profit off our labor in countless ways, who command literally hundreds of little aspects of our lives, from our jobs to the food we eat, spend billions--tens of billions--of dollars to promote their agendas within Congress. Our elected officials get money to campaign, to stay in office, and we bear the brunt of it when their loyalty to their donors takes precedence over the good of the American People.

So, you say, "We hear you complaining, but what do you propose we do about it?"

Well, for starters, we can look at addressing REAL campaign reform on a state by state basis starting with those states that have ballot initiatives. We can tell the corporations and moneyed individuals "You can donate as much as you want to the political arena, but it goes into a general fund that all viable candidates" (anyone possessing, say, the support of a minimum of 02% of the population of any given political entity (city, county, state) gets an equivalent amount of that funding to finance a campaign0.

This would open up a lot of room for third parties too, the way I see it. It would make campaigning, initially, about going out and getting the support of real people, not artificial ones. It would initiate a true grass roots movement in politics.

And I'm not sure I see why it couldn't work... Change the state laws to get money out of the mix, and build from there. It won't solve all our problems, but might bring some truly creative ideas to the fore.

And if we need anything right now, it's creativity. Or am I just fooling myself?


edited for clarity
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:09 AM
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1. I agree with you.
The only problem I see is that at this moment the very people needed to implement such changes are the ones benefiting from the current corporate scheme.

Changes like the ones you propose won't happen without a long and drawn out fight. Unfortunately nothing ever changes in politics without such battles, so sign me up.

Q3JR4
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:14 AM
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2. Which is precisely why I suggest the tactics in my final lines
Edited on Thu May-28-09 03:28 AM by Mythsaje
We take it out of THEIR hands and put it back in ours. THEY'RE not going to do it, and in some places we have the ability to do it ourselves. It's got to start somewhere.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:17 AM
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36. A More Perfect Union: Democracy! Legalize Democracy! Take the Power Away from the Poneracracy.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:38 AM
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3. Corporate finance of politics is coming to it's logical conclusion.
It's been many years in the making but at some point we did cross the threshold of the government existing for the benefit of corporations.

I've got to say the last few months have been frustrating to watch. Based on the campaign Obama ran I never expected him to be an iconoclast like FDR but I was, at least, expecting the kind of creativity you mentioned. Rather than letting corporations write the rules and the government rubber stamp I thought we might see the best and brightest roll up their sleeves and get to work after discussing and analyzing the problem in public and maybe solving it in the public interest.

After watching the banks lay down the law and basically run the biggest equity stripping operation in history I think any sincere person can see who makes the rules. The wealthiest 1% have been saved at public expense and now have some additional time to get rid of their dollars and move their capital out of harms way while the general public will eventually watch the balance of their meager savings evaporate in an inflationary depression.

Great people are out there with solutions and creativity but unless their solutions involve protecting wealth the case won't be heard.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:14 AM
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4. It's becoming pretty clear that our leadership is not capable of dealing with the current situation
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:21 PM
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11. +1
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:40 PM
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21. +2
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:19 AM
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37. +3
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:58 PM
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27. I don't think capability is the issue (in most cases), it seems obvious that it is a case
of willingness. To quote Barbara Bush (I'll take a shower afterward), "This is working very well for them", so why on earth would they want to change it?

The problems are obvious and the solutions are clear, in many cases the problems are duplicates from the past and the solutions are on the shelf, yet still they will not move. We have made our wishes known, and still they will not move.

These are not stupid people, but they are people. They are arrogant with great egos (you don't get to be President of the US, especially at 46, without these traits) and they are almost without exception rich, so why should they change how we're being treated? Fear of defeat? With retention of >90% and the party apparatus behind them why would they fear that?

We, the great unwashed, will eventually have to realize that if we want change, we will have to force it, and when/if we do it will be met with violence. "The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house".


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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:08 AM
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5. I like that idea.
Some way of removing the automatic control of who is nominated and elected based on connections to well-moneyed, and powerful, donors is essential.

I favor 100% public financing for all elections, with re-regulation of the media and equal and equally neutral air/press time for all. Along with real, authentic debates where all candidates get equal talk time and answer all questions.

All that, and IRV.

Your idea is one good way to take a step in that direction, since all those donations would dry up if they weren't buying influence.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:03 PM
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6. can you imagine for just one brief moment what life would be like
Edited on Thu May-28-09 05:03 PM by Soylent Brice
if democrtas acted as pushy, abrasive, and psychotic as republicans?

we'd have clean air, universal health care, iraq and afghanistan - history, marriage equality, ...

you name it. it's time to get crazy. it's time to have a KO on every fucking network, and someone exponentially more extreme on the air waves.

liberals aren't wusses, we're civilized, and when compared to the barbaric antics of the repiggies it's easy to see how our behavior is mistaken for weakness.

we should be bulldozing legislation through.

no doubt about it.

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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:11 PM
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31. "we should be bulldozing legislation through."
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. More action, less words.

Great comment.

:applause:
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 07:12 AM
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46. thank you. it just seems like everything is posturing any more.
all they have to do is ram it down their throats like the repigs do with their bullshit agenda.

this must be one dirty fucking complicit congress. it's the only reason why they won't just plow right through the repigs.

too many of them must be involved on one level or another.



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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:05 PM
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7. Don't forget the working class and all those union jobs that are fast disappearing.
The Obama administration & Congress kicked automakers and union workers to the curb and they could care less that union construction jobs have been undercut with scab labor.

Obama & Congress should have used bailout money to launch as many green manufacturing jobs as possible which would have solved a whole helluva lot of problems this country faces.

Instead it's the same old shit different day except now they've gone one better than * & Co by wanting to further screw all of us who are barely hanging on by taxing our health care as income. :wtf:

What a bunch of mo fos! :grr:


The sooner we all get on board and see this class war for what it is the better.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:07 PM
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8. I agree whole heartedly
Edited on Thu May-28-09 06:09 PM by Sadie5
with everything being said here. Nothing is for the people anymore, it is for the corporations and politicians. I might add that I have felt this way for some years now. I tended to look the other way when the Democrats erred and the Bushies ran things. No more.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:02 PM
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28. Hey earth mom, that's two posts on two threads that you've summed it up
with the precision of a laser. Thanks from the Greyhounds.


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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:20 PM
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32. :woohoo: Who knew
that I'd find people like this here. I'm lovin this thread.

:applause:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:33 PM
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9. Can you spell national "Day of Rest?" Or maybe national "Month of Rest?"
We have a lot of power we aren't using.

I admire your ideas. But I'm not a spring chicken and I would expect to see them implemented (given current conditions) in about my next incarnation on Planet Earth.

This isn't meant as throwing cold water on your proposals. I'm just tired of sitting and waiting. I write letters. I talk to people. I make phone calls. I still live in a house (a rental house). I'm self-employed. One small disaster, such as a health problem, would put me under.

I live a very scaled-down life, and wonder every day what I would do if an economic collapse pulled the rug out from under me.

We need to have a huge collective temper tantrum, and scream to the Heavens that we didn't get our pony, just like those people did back in the day, with their muskets on Boston Common! Bunch of whining ninnies, were they (if you listen to some of our fellow "Democrats").

We are an abused people, and the PTB keeps bringing candy and flowers (or threatening to), after the beating. But still .... we love them. We show our love by continuing to let them into our wallets, no questions asked.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:23 PM
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15. Revolutions are fought on empty stomaches..
But we are too well fed...And why is that?...Dare I say our social safety net keeps the people
"fed" so the revolution will never happen. Thats the way the powers to be wants it; give the masses enough to live on and they will stay fat dumb and happy/ Take away the social saftey net; SS, medicare,welfare,foodstamps, etc, and watch what happens.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:33 PM
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17. Isn't that what Arnold proposes in Calif?
Edited on Thu May-28-09 09:13 PM by DemReadingDU
5/27/09 Faced with a ballooning deficit and a clear signal that voters won't pay more to fix it, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger released a budget plan Tuesday that would eliminate welfare, drop 1 million poor children from health insurance, cut off new grants for college students and shut down 80 percent of state parks. In a state that long has prided itself on its social safety net, it could well go down in history as the most drastic reduction in social programs ever. And billions in further cuts will be unveiled later this week. The governor's proposal to whack an additional $5.5 billion from state programs stunned even longtime Capitol-watchers with its blunt force.
http://www.mercurynews.com/california-budget/ci_12454979


This sounds like a disaster. And what happens in California, usually comes to the other states.


oops...edit spelling in title




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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:11 PM
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18. Yep, sure sounds like trouble...NT
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 01:08 AM
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38. jesus f christ. i missed that completely and am SHOCKED. thanks for the link. nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 06:28 AM
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44. yeh, they voted down raising taxes on the rich

So now they cut services to the poor. How crazy is that.


:crazy:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:47 AM
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49. it's not necessarily "crazy"...

... i think it's just *evil*.

pure, unadulterated, out-of-control greed and total lack of empathy for fellow human beings.

how those f*ckers get away with this sociopathic crap is absolutely beyond me. it's total, in-your-face, plutocracy. it's just OBSCENE.

:grr: :grr:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:09 AM
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41. Yes, I agree. Empty stomachs helped with Gandhi's "do nothing days." nt
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:41 AM
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48. Gahndi didnt start a "revolution"
I am talking about bona fide revolutions you see, you know, the violent kind...
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 08:58 PM
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51. Gandhi (note spelling) knew that violence begets more violence.
Edited on Fri May-29-09 09:00 PM by puebloknot
If you want to get violent, knowing that there are draconian weapons that will make a greasy streak in the street out of you, be my guest.

The American Revolution was said to be a "bloodless" revolution. We, the People need to be smart, not go off half-cocked. In my opinion.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:11 PM
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52. American Revolution was "bloodless"?
Wow, whoever said that must have a high tolerance for blood.

Yes I agree with the people being smart, and I am not advocating a violent revolution. I was only offering a suggestion as to why we havent had one here yet. And that is, we are not suffering enough yet. If you think of the Russian Revolution, French Revolution, Romanian Revolution in the 90's; the people literally were starving. We are far from that.

The American Revolution was an exception, the people were not physically suffering, just fed up with the BS from the King.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:42 AM
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53. Compared to the French and Russian Revolutions, ours was ...
... *relatively* bloodless. No mass executions and gulags, just the casualties of war.

I agree with your assessment of why we haven't had a violent revolution in recent times in America. Too bad we can't seem to get up the energy to just get fed up with our current royalty (yes, *current*) and stage a revolution of one kind or another. The hunger may yet come.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:45 AM
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54. Relatively, yes for sure..
A revolution fought between standing armies...kinda unique actually..
I'm afraid your right on what it will take...People seem to be still satifisfied with the
bread and circuses..
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:59 PM
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10. Oh for a gov that worked for the people instead of the corporations.
Public funded elections.. with mandated TV time to be supplied by any media that doesn't want its license yanked.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:47 PM
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13. Nothing less than a full-scale revolution could bring that about, and even that probably won't.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 07:49 PM by tom_paine
So fuggedaboudit.

Most revolutions throughout history have simply exchanged one group of greedy shortsighted assholes for another group of greedy shortsighted assholes.

Given the current psychological configuration and absolute madness of a VERY zealous third of our nation, if we had a revolution, we'd probably wind up with the BushChenzis is charge.



See how neatly the Bushies line up? How martial they are!
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:44 PM
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12. I say we will have anarchy and bloodshed in the streets.
Not among ourselves. We're already doing that, with spouse and child abuse incidents from the starving multitudes. No, I mean people blowing up stuff, setting skyscrapers on fire, shooting anyone in a Lexus.

I'm not proposing violence. I'm no good at it. But a lot of other people are, and if they ever get tired of just taking it, I think they will provide a "bloody good" show. Some of that blood will probably be ours, but it will take just a horror act for the people in power to change. They won't give a damn until their Starbucks-fueled lives are in danger.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:26 PM
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16. Take to the streets, national shutdown day

Maybe what we Americans need to do is what the French do almost monthly. Just take to the streets, calmly, with our protest signs. Everything is stopped. That would get the news attention!

If a million people can get to Washington for Obama's Inauguration, surely there is at least a million who could protest and shut down their towns and cities.

:shrug:
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:22 PM
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33. People don't have the courage for shutdown, let alone riots.
Because protests can always be under-counted. Faux News will say your million-man shutdown was caused by fifteen loony liberals. Nothing counts in terms of protest until a good number of people die.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 06:34 AM
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45. Americans have become spineless

Content to watch mindless tv. Most probably know who won American Idol.

:eyes:
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:04 PM
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50. Although there is one sport Democrats enjoy...even here.

They have the energy to do this to the only guy on their side, but not enough to take the war to the real criminals, the megacorporations and the bankers.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:39 PM
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25. Please, the people causing our problems aren't having coffee at Starbucks.
They have their staff make their lattes inhouse, and fly to and from "work" (ie board meetings) in private helicopters.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 03:47 AM
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42. That may be true, but they still need their mail and clearance to land their choppers
Edited on Fri May-29-09 03:47 AM by Grinchie
Honestly, you make it sound like money buys everything one needs to exist, when in reality they depend on the gullible "Little People" to wash their fruit, make their coffee, pluck their chickens, drive their trucks, answer their phones, and basically run their entire operations for them. They delegate authority so well that they don't even know how to do the basics anymore.

If you think for one minute that a large number of people calling them out and not cooperating with the system tilted in favor of them in regards to wealth and power, then you really don't get it.

A single person that takes a few minutes each day to pull weeds or plant a few trees can transform the countryside in a few years. I know, because I've done it.

All it takes is the will to be consistent and work for the greater good instead of always for ones self.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 09:12 AM
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47. Did you respond to the right post? And the hostility was unnecessary regardless. nt
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:07 PM
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14. And now for the bad news.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 08:10 PM by Zorra
The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel . .

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html

I remember a line from an old Jethro Tull song - "Now there's revolution, but they don't know what they're fighting".

I believe that first, we need to determine exactly who/what it is that is preventing our democracy from working the way it is designed to work. Obviously, on one level, it is those disingenuous (or would treasonous be a more accurate word?) Blue Dog/conservative Democrats that prevent any reasonable progressive, pro-democracy, pro-human being policies from being established. Most likely, these Blue Dog Democrats have been placed in our party by wealthy special interests, financial interests that have no loyalty to our country, in order to make the Democratic party ineffective as an force for forwarding democracy.

Until we find a way to remove the traitors from our midst, we will be relatively powerless to make significant changes toward the liberty and well-being of the vast majority of our people. The problem is, the economic/power elite complex that Roosevelt and Eisenhower warned us about has insidiously bought/infiltrated all the main strategic areas that influence information, government, and the exercise of power and control. Etc.

Of course, it goes without saying that the republican party is completely controlled by the same financial interests that own the Blue Dogs. So somehow, we either have to weed out the traitors from the Democratic party, or form a new underground grassroots party that has mass popular appeal - something that would be very difficult due to the fact that our main national sources of information are owned and controlled by the same individuals and groups that have bought the republican party and compromised the Democratic party.

There is one X factor that I can think of: Obama going totally pro-democracy rogue, and somehow living to tell about it.

(Really good post. Thanks, Mythsaje)
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 04:01 AM
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43. The only way to wrest control is to render the Corporations powerless
And the best way to do this is to stop buying their products. How can we complain of about Corporations that are Too Big To Fail when we are the ones financing them to get as big as they are?

Think about how you would cope day to day if you were suddenly transported back 80 or so years, and the Corporations were nascent entities that didn't own nearly every product you use daily?

We have ceded our lives to the benefit of Corporations, and they now believe that they are indeed too big to fail. So does the Government, which has transformed itself into just another Corporation in its own sphere of PR and Abitration.

We can take control this way, simply because it is the only power we have left. By not supporting the existing source of the power, which is the pervasive control the Corporation have over our daily lives, we can starve them to death and make it not worthwhile anymore.

As they wither on the vine, panicked at the thought that the golden rule is no longer valid, we can expect to see massive disruptions in food, water, electricity, communications, sanitation and law and order, all for the benefit of convincing people that they are incapable of dealing with life without the "Corporation", be it Government or Private. That kind of control is available to the Corporations today, and I don't doubt for one minute that they wouldn't exercise that power to coerce a scared, untrained, fat, dumb and lazy populace such as the US Citizenry.

I know that this is inconceivable to many, but being prepared at least gives one a slim chance of remaining calm and collected if they were to ever exercise their power in such a way.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:17 PM
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19. Woe is us.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:18 PM
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20. Glad you're back, Glad you posted this, Glad to KnR
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:58 PM
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22. We all have to get busy - we already have many, many people in a weakened state . . .
the time to fight is actually when the attacks begin -- when you are strong.

Ironically, though we understand homeless and hungry people can't be expected to

fight -- they often are the ones who do it because they have to.

Not unlike African-Americans having had to deliver themselves from the brutality

of Segregation, Inc. -- a hundred years of it imposed after slavery ended.

It is ironic.

I'll keep hoping -- but I don't think Obama is going to turn out to be the answer

to our prayers!

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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:35 PM
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23. Fantastic post. Love the campaign reform ideas. nt
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:37 PM
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24. another list
The same old list. Dems love their lists, since about 1600.

For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes

It makes some long ass sentences you can skip, already knowing the rote, or you can chant the sutra daily to keep your mind in the right place.
The essays are all the same and the response threads are always the same, running approximately this way:

Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.

The chat for justice never ends, so you must conserve your energy, either by killing everyone on the stage or by determined non participation in the rigged game.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:41 PM
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26. Great post
:applause:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:04 PM
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29. It's like we are living in the Roman republic...
The leaders switch and change but everything sill flows toward the wealthy...

They give us bread and circuses, but we pay for all of that with local taxes funneling money to the athletic elite.

It seems the entrepreneurial spirit in this country has been replaced by how can I get other people to pay for my life style spirit.

And now that the media has melded with the political and money elites, there isn't to much we can do about it.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:05 PM
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30. FINALLY! A voice of wisdom crying out in the wilderness!
The moneyed interests must be neutralized if any real change is to come. That is our only chance.

What a great commentary!

:woohoo:

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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:47 PM
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34. The problems this country faces are staggering......
the solution you propose would be a step in the right direction however slight it might be.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:11 AM
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35. K&R nt
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 01:28 AM
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39. K&R, good to see ya around Mythsaje, been awhile.
You seem re-invigorated.

Have you taken a look at Washington Public Campaigns? Making some real grass-roots progress on publicly funded elections in WA State. Check 'em out.

:toast:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 01:35 AM
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40. Reading your excellently written post reminds me
Of the first piece of legislation that I really paid attention to after the Dems seized power in 2006. It came in the follwoing spring - and it was a hike in postage rates for everyone who sends out packages.

As a small time business owner, my husband was struggling. Adding the extra charge to his business was an extremely depressing thing to do. In the end, he charged customers more for shipping. And hated doing that.

Especially given that Pelosi et al wrote into the legislation protections for Time Warner!

For me, that experience pretty much says it all.
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