Need to dispute RW talking point re: scientists dispute Al Gore

[AndyA]

I've heard this person repeat that "thousands of scientists are not in agreement with Al Gore's statements regarding global warming."

I checked Snopes, Google, and searched DU and found nothing. I know this has been discussed Where can I find irrefutable proof that this statement is incorrect, and that most scientists do indeed agree with Al?

TIA.

[unpossibles]

1. first off, check the environment board here

sadly, I'm not sure it helps. In my experience they don't really want an answer.

[BOSSHOG]

2. Actually its trillions of scientists

I don't know the answer to your question but your obviously dealing with a fucking lunatic who listens to right wing garbage. Garbage that wants to politicize science by quoting "scientists" who spend more time in liviticus then in the lab. Real, honest to goodness scientists who study and come to objective conclusions are mostly onboard with gore, lunatic motherfucking "scientists" who believe shit and don't take a notion to knowing shit disagree with him, because they, like the lunatics who support the war in Iraq, are too fucking proud to admit they are wrong. And pride is a result of ignorance.

[tsuki]

3. If the person that you are speaking to is that stooo-pid, give it up. Most

RW'ers that I know now accept global warming, and I live in a county that voted for possum-lady with the pointy tits.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Ask for the names of those scientists.

There's about eleven of them, they keep using the same ones.

All of them are on the payroll of the oil lobby.

[gratuitous]

8. Yep, the short answer is always, "name them"

And then, when the "thousands" of names of scientists is reduced to a handful, and you show the ties each and every one of them has to industry, be sure to let your correspondent know that he or she is a fool to believe shills on the payroll of big polluters.

Not that it will make any difference, but at least you've increased your own knowledge base for discussions with other, more honest people.

[deutsey]

5. This is pretty interesting re: scientific consensus

http://snre.ufl.edu/Attachments/Global%20climate%20change%20consensus%20V5-1.pdf

[moc]

19. Thanks for posting this!

[sinkingfeeling]

6. OK, you've got the UN, NASA, and the Pentagon, plus lots of scientists, what's he got?

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20B17FB395B0C708CDDAB0894DF404482

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

[Poiuyt]

7. The IPCC just came out with a report that stated that there is a 90% probability

that global warming has been caused by human factors:


http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2004768,00.html

The report the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published today in Paris was almost three years in the making.

It is the first volume of three, which will be drawn together later in the year to make the fourth of the IPCC's assessments.

The authors have reached some pretty depressing conclusions: that human activity has contributed to climate change, and that even if we change our behaviour today, the planet will become a more dangerous place.

snip-

The report has around 130 lead authors, including meteorologists and climatologists from across the world.

The three reports will bring together the work of hundreds of scientists. More than 800 scientists have contributed, and more than 450 lead authors from more than 130 countries have been involved. At least 2,500 expert reviewers have looked over, and commented on, the draft versions.

The IPCC is an intergovernmental body, and its reports are reviewed by governments as well as experts. They were given the opportunity to comment on drafts of the report, and the lead authors will have taken into account their contributions when putting together the final version.

more at link-

The person you heard would not be able to document that "thousands of scientists are not in agreement with Al Gore's statements regarding global warming." There have been a few, but they have mostly been funded buy Exxon

[Sapere aude]

9. I have RW friends who argue that way and even if you give them proof they are wrong they deny your

proof and continue to make up facts on the spot to support their opinion. It is useless to argue with them. My shrink told me once that it is not a good idea to look for a rational answer to an irrational problem. Or it is not a good idea to try to reason with an unreasonable person. Of course most of us can't resist knocking our heads against the wall.

[ComerPerro]

12. good points

[AndyA]

10. The person making these comments is my RWer Brother,

so it's hard to totally disregard him.

He listens to Glen Beck and the other suspects. He and my Dad are just alike, although there are other family members who see things from my point of view, so I'm not totally alone, although I am the only one who has to work with them every day. :(

Thanks for the info, it will give me some great factual data to present. We'll see if his references are as qualified.

[ComerPerro]

11. ask for proof

[stanwyck]

13. Always ask for details, links

names. The right (through talk radio) has been flooding our country with nonsense. And that's dangerous. Whenever someone starts spouting off with this babble, pin them down. Demand the source. Demand the link. Ask specifics. What you'll encounter is vague "I heard it somewhere...I read it somewhere...my preacher told me." Keep up the heat. The right has to be held accountable. We've had enough misinformation and outright lying.

[Lisa]

14. if scientists do have a beef with Gore, it's about things like ...

... his use of a Mercator projection in the Greenland clip (rather than one like the Robinson that shows area near the poles a bit more accurately). Or about the length of time it would take for the global sea level to rise 20 feet -- or for the deep ocean circulation to stall. I work with climate scientists, including some who contributed to the IPCC report, and they don't have fundamental disagreements with Gore's major points (that global warming is happening, that we're responsible, that if emissions continue we'll see temperature increases beyond what human civilization has experienced, and that it's still possible to do something about it if we act now). There are some quibbles with the timing and extent of the impacts (largely because we are still learning about how ecosystems work and how human activities might be affected). But none of my co-workers are saying that this doesn't mean that global warming is the most serious issue we'll have to deal with this century ... or that we needn't bother with response strategies because "agreement isn't unanimous".

To borrow one of Mr. Gore's metaphors, if the house is on fire, we shouldn't be standing around debating over whether it's worth evacuating the place and calling the fire department just because we aren't sure whether the top floor will collapse in 30 minutes or a full hour.

[SemperEadem]

15. tell them

anyone who disagrees with Gore is on the payroll of big oil. They're being paid to sell out your children and grand children's future and health.

[walldude]

16. You are going about this the wrong way

righties do this shit all the time. They spew some fake bullshit then they tell you to prove they are wrong. It's their facts. Make them prove they are right. Demand names and where their financing comes from. I bet they can't come up with more than 10 people all of whom are financed by Exxon-Mobile.

[Johonny]

17. Science is debated

not on the internet, the news paper, the movie theatre or the TV set. Legitimate science is debated in peer reviewed scientific journals. Scientist are allowed to have opinions on all kinds of subjects. But their scientific data is published in science journals. A quick review of any scientific climate journal will discover that global warming isn't much in doubt and since Al Gores movie is based on published data you won't find much to be said.

[seasat]

18. It's true. Here's thousands of scientists that disagree with Gore.

The American Association of Petroleum Geologists

Of course they may have little bit of conflict of interest.

However, the National Academy of Science, American Geophysical Union, Union of Concerned Scientists and hundreds of other science organizations that don't work in the fossil fuel industry agree with Gore. I also imagine that if you polled the AAPG group, you'd find that most of them actually agreed with Gore too.