Shooter had Christian fish symbol and "Jesus" on car, believed in "justifiable homicide"

[jefferson_dem]

Suspect supported killing abortion providers, friends say

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In the rear window of the 1993 blue Ford Taurus that he was driving was a red rose, a symbol often used by abortion opponents. On the rear of his car was a Christian fish symbol with the word "Jesus" inside.

Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.

"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who made headlines in 1995 when she was ordered by a federal judge to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic. "I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."

Dinwiddie said she met Roeder while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic in 1996. Roeder walked into the clinic and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist, she said.

"Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds," she said. "Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death. On the way out, he gave me a great big hug and he said, 'I've seen you in the newspaper. I just love what you're doing.'^"

Roeder also was a subscriber to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated the justifiable homicide position, said publisher Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines, Iowa.

"I met him once, and he wrote to me a few times," Leach said. "I remember that he was sympathetic to our cause, but I don't remember any details."

Leach said he met Roeder in Topeka when he went there to visit Shelley Shannon, who was in prison for the 1993 shooting of Tiller.

"He told me about a lot of conspiracy stuff and showed me how to take the magnetic strip out of a five-dollar bill," Leach said. "He said it was to keep the government from tracking your money."

Roeder, who in the 1990s was a manufacturing assemblyman, also was involved in the "Freemen" movement.

"Freemen" was a term adopted by those who claimed sovereignty from government jurisdiction and operated under their own legal system, which they called common-law courts. Adherents declared themselves exempt from laws, regulations and taxes and often filed liens against judges, prosecutors and others, claiming that money was owed to them as compensation.

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/69151.html

[dkf]

1. So when do we start monitoring those who believe in justifiable homicide?

aka domestic terrorism?

[Baikonour]

8. We will once their skin turns brown. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. Depends what you mean by justifiable homicide

Self defense and the defense of others when under threat of violence is considered justifiable homicide by just about everyone. Its a question of breadth of coverage not the basic concept.

[dkf]

13. Premeditated Justifiable Homicide isn't self defense, is it?

And I'm talking about right wing extremists of course.

[roamer65]

2. GOOD. Kansas has the death penalty. Fry his ass....ASAP.

I don't normally support the death penalty, but I am making an exception on this one. Send him to his beloved Jeezus.

[flvegan]

3. Told you. He's an Army of God follower.

[Maru Kitteh]

4. Mother of Pearl. He was a nutjob EXTRAORDINAIRE.

He will be their hero though, count on it.

[cascadiance]

14. Giving to "charitable organizations" that help terrorists can get you sent to Guantanamo!

Maybe we should start telling these folk that start donating to his church and regard him as a "hero" that, so that we can haul their asses off and perhaps deport them someplace where they can hate each other to death... And shut down some of those organizations that fuel murderous terrorists like this!

[Kievan Rus]

5. So much for Matthew 5:38-42 from this guy

[Alcibiades]

6. He's a Freeman

These militia folks have not gone away. In fact, they are gaining strength, in part by recruiting in prisons, where what was once simply a kooky ideology has become a viable defense strategy.


The MSM pretends the militias have gone away, but their members are out there, committing crimes and doing crazy shit in the court system. Perhaps this killing will remind media folks that these nutjobs are still out there.

[Triana]

9. These anti-gov't militias were refered to in the DHS report recently about domestic terrorism...

..being on the rise.

Pissed off the Repigshits because so many of them are members.

[Alcibiades]

12. That was a big Ooops

The ideology of the Freemen is absolutely within the mainstream of contemporary Republican thought--it was only by stupid accident that Malkin and others acknowledged thus publicly.

Good catch. I doubt any of the MSM asshats will now call Gingrich and others on their outrage.

[onehandle]

7. Where did he get the gun? nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Thats a very good question...IIRC he was a convicted felon

That is a fresh aspect of this I have not seen discussed before...and its and excellent question. Bravo

[rustydog]

15. God said: Thou shall not commit murder

NOWHERE in these bastards Holy Bible are the words; Thou shall not commit murder, EXCEPT when it is justifiable homicide.

[AllentownJake]

16. Yes and in another book in that Bible God instructs his people

to kill every living thing in a city, animals, women, and children.

The book sends some conflicting messages.

[rustydog]

17. True, but in the words of GOD Almighty him-herself

or at least the words attributed to God written in stone:
Must be fucking important for God to write them down:
10 simple rules. None of them say "Except"

All the teachings of Jesus Christ, the "Risen Son of God" he never preached revenge, murder, ever.
He preached love, forgiveness. IBelieve he allegedly said: As you treat the least among you, you treat me."

The bible is confusing or conflicting only if one wants to make it so. like the fundamentalists of all religions who go bat-shit crazy preaching hate, distruct and terror in the name of their religion.

[nc4bo]

22. Doesn't it also mention something like do not to judge lest ye be judged?

I mean the hypocrisy of christian (domestic and foreign) terrorists is nothing short of obscene.

No better than the nutbags terrorizing lands outside our borders IMHO.

[pansypoo53219]

18. i don't remember any

fine print on the 10 commandmets. or is he one of those christians who don't know them?

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. So, if someone talks like him and has a gun, can it be called a hate crime?

[BolivarianHero]

20. Freeman...

It's just a euphemism for White Supremacist, Christian Identity BS. Declare these Nazis terrorists and burn their Churches down.

[RadicalTexan]

21. But, but... religion is HARMLESS.

[eppur_se_muova]

23. Living the Crazy-Driven Life. nt