From Red State: " Killing Tiller was the ethical thing to do"

[brooklynite]

We tend to focus on the nut-jobs at FR, but apparently the "intellectuals" at Red State have the same frame of mind:

.....We celebrate the breaking the laws every time the media canonizes Rosa Parks. She broke the law. There is no question of that. The question is whether it was the ethical thing to do (it was.) We celebrate the Nazi resistance, we celebrate the Tiananmen Square uprising. I’m sure those were all illegal actions, yet were unquestionably the moral things to do. So how would killing a killer, when all options are exhausted, not also be the right thing to do?

http://www.redstate.com/mr_ed/2009/05/31/breaking-kansas-abortionist-shot-killed-at-church/#comments

[Lavender Brown]

1. Are they seriously comparing Rosa Parks to this murderer?

:grr:

[whyverne]

2. What if Rosa had done it their way?

She would have shot the bus driver.

[Wednesdays]

16. Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam!

All the moneychangers lay dead.

Jesus was a smart dude, wasn't he?

[noiretextatique]

27. and she probably would have been lynched

without a trial.

[ScreamingMeemie]

3. You beat me to it.

To equate the fight for civil rights with blatant murder blows my mind.

[Rebubula]

4. I remember...

...after the killings of clinic workers in Pensacola, FL - someone spray painted on a wall near a Sears in White Oak, MD 'God Bless Paul Hill' - I SEETHED every time I had to drive by it. Thankfully, Mr Hill will never kill again - though he is a martyr to many of these assholes.

These sick fuckers see these actions as glorious attacks on the baby killing machine.

However, when I try to put myself into their minds, I can see how they get to the killing. If I truly believed that someone was killing children and the authorities were not doing anything to stop it - I would see killing that person as justified.

That said - I despise these Operation rescue assholes and the people that enable them. Randall Terry is a slick and charismatic asshole - I used to do clinic defense in DC and was assigned to 'shadow him' when he came to town. I always needed a shower after those days.

[KayLaw]

5. Foolish and evil.

I hope this creep doesn't pretend to be a Christian because he's a little confused about the Commandments. Also, the doctor was not a killer but performed legal medical procedures.

[bluestateguy]

6. I do hope that this killer is not tried in some Freeper county in Kansas

Anything that has to be done to get a conviction--even if that means moving the trial to San Francisco or Berkeley--must be done.

[customerserviceguy]

9. Almost always, murder laws are state laws

There are some exceptions, such as the killing of a political figure, I would imagine, but he will be tried in Kansas.

I see only two possibilities, one is that he will just simply plead guilty and accept his hero status from the far fringe of the movement, and the other is that he will want to use some sort of "justifiable homicide" defense. He won't find a single lawyer willing to help him on that one, so he'd have to act as his own attorney. He'd love to have a courtroom as a stage before they lock him away forever, it would burnish that "living martyr" image that he no doubt sees himself filling.

[anonymous171]

22. What about domestic terrorism? nt

[customerserviceguy]

31. Possibly, I'm not familiar with the Federal laws concerning such

But it is clear that to try Roeder under such a statute would be to say that he was making a broader attack on a large number of Americans. Yes, there is a possibility of saying it was an indirect attack, but clearly, he avoided shooting two people who approached him after the shooting of Tiller when they backed off. He'd have even a public defender making that case for him.

Also, it would require action from the Justice Department to try him under a domestic terrorist law. That might anger a lot of people that President Obama is going to need the votes of, my prediction is that it will not happen.

[Lochloosa]

26. The Feds can and will step in if there is no conviction. The can charge him with

violating his civil rights. It's been done before.

[Maru Kitteh]

7. k&r

[marmar]

8. Unreal......

..... Rosa Parks and resistance to Nazis justifies the murder of a doctor? :wtf:

These people are really f**ked up.

[saltpoint]

11. "Unreal" is exactly the word.

That level of rationalization is unreal.

[gizmo1979]

10. DR. Tiller was one brave dude.

How many of us would have continued in a job where we were shot,blown up,and received daily death threats?He and his family were extremely dedicated to live with such hostility.I'd have to say he was a true American hero,and I hate the way hero is bandied about,but this man was Brave.

[WeDidIt]

12. Redstate Stands With Terrorism

Along with Operation Rescue and FreeRepublic.

[BolivarianHero]

13. Tiananmen Square...

Leftist students demanding a reversal of Deng Xiaoping's neo-liberal reforms and demanding the democratization of Chinese society. After its suppression, Poppy established closer economic relations with the Chinese.

[snappyturtle]

14. OMG! What twisted minds. K&R nt

[Wednesdays]

15. K&R

:kick:

[mnhtnbb]

17. They are all twisted around their perception of Biblical authority

and the righteousness of their denominations which condemn abortion (along with homosexuality).
They cannot begin to fathom that there are Christian denominations which are pro-choice--they are immediately demonized as not being "right with God". These people are rigid, hierarchical, unempathic
and basically hate the idea of women being allowed to make choices about their bodies. They do
not respect the government of laws in this country, but ultimately want to use that system of laws
to make other people behave the way they determine.

They are dangerous. There is no live and let live among these people of the red state.

[KamaAina]

18. Who exactly did Rosa Parks kill?

:shrug:

[Eyerish]

19. K&R n/t

[Puzzler]

20. By that logic you could justify any assassination/murder...

... as long as you think it's ethical. The same argument could be made defending the 911 hi-jackers.

[BrklynLiberal]

21. This alternate reality that some folks are living in is scary...very scary.

Is it air pollution? Water pollution? Inbreeding? Brain disease?

[myrna minx]

23. Damn. This is beyond the pale. Who did Rosa Parks murder?

They are now giving the green light to all of the kooks out there. :puke:

[ColbertWatcher]

24. Saying that Rosa Parks is a criminal is a Colbert joke. He should sue. n/t

[reggie the dog]

25. yet another reason I am glad to have left the USA

and yet another reason I doubt I will move back ever. I have to think of my daughters best interests.

[krabigirl]

30. DH and I are hoping to one day move ack to his native country (France).

I just don't feel that my daughter is safe here, either.

[reggie the dog]

34. I live in France.

It is great. there is national health insurance for everyone. Abortion is an unquestioned right, as are morning after pills and birth control pills. The death penalty is against the constitution (thank you Chirac).


It is a bit hard to find work, but hey, it is hard to find work in the states now too.

[Kievan Rus]

28. That is seriously fucked up

Rosa Parks didn't kill anybody by her act!

[spanone]

29. posted by....mr ed.....ain't he a horse?

[Shanti Mama]

32. Just read the entire redstate thread

Many argue against the one who wrote the quote in the OP. And they discuss terrorism. They may be too 'christian' for me but at least they're a bit open-minded, as opposed to many hard care religious rights.

It's worth a read to see how some other folks think. Thanks for the link.

[tavalon]

33. Wow!

They really compared civil disobedience to assassination. That is really, really disturbing.

[L. Coyote]

35. Isn't there a law against advocating murder. ARREST THEM, FCS!!

I mean that literally, the "For Christ's Sake" part.