Abortion Poll

[Renew Deal]

Here are the common opinions of abortion on DU. Where do you fall? Lets try to get through this intelligently without being cruel to each other.

[LynneSin]

1. Personally what I think it is doesn't mean squat....

It's what the person considering it and their doctor decide.

[boobooday]

2. Barring medical necessity I don't think it would be my choice

But I certainly wouldn't make that choice for others.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Other

'Considers anyone anti-choice to be pro-forced birth'


Under any circumstances.

[omega minimo]

4. Breaking it down this way is simplistic, incomplete, misleading and ignorant.

:thumbsdown:

[Renew Deal]

16. It's meant to be simplistic

It's a way to reset the discussion and also to remind people that we're 95% in agreement.

[omega minimo]

18. Its' OVERSIMPLISTIC, which means the discussion is "reset" in a limited, incomplete, dense way.

:thumbsdown:

[Renew Deal]

23. Maybe, but look at answers 6, 7, and 15.

I think they're interesting and what I was looking to come out of this. It's a starting point.

[fascisthunter]

22. what way would you break this down?

[uppityperson]

5. Women need to have the choice between a legal hygienic abortion and a back alley one

I will continue to fight to keep the legal hygienic one a reality.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Other.

"Pro-choice" and "Pro-life"/"Anti-choice" are meaningless rhetorical inventions.

[omega minimo]

29. They are not meaningless.

"Pro Choice" comes from the Women's Rights Movement. "A woman's right to choose," "Choice" and "Pro Choice" signify the movement away from women's subjugation to husbands, doctors and laws that forced many to resort to dangerous methods, which killed many women.

The rights of women to make health and family decisions in private and in safety is what "Pro Choice" means. The rights of women to be considered human beings and not merely incubators for fetuses with more rights than the mother, is what "Pro Choice" means.


"Pro Life" comes from the Anti Abortion Domestic Terrorism Movement. "Pro Life" and "Right to Life" signifiy the movement reinforcing women's subjugation to husbands, doctors and laws that forced many to resort to dangerous methods, which killed many women.

The sick need of strangers to dictate -- based on their religious intolerance and hypocrisy -- to women and violate their health and family privacy rights, up to and including murdering women and their doctors, is what "Pro Life" means.

"Pro Life" means the value of a fetus justifies killing the woman and her doctor.



Pro Choice = Health

Pro Life = Death

[VelmaD]

7. Other

Sick and fucking tired of people who think they have a right to tell me what to do with my body. Also sick and fucking tired of it being used as a political football. Also sick and fucking tired of having to hear what other people think about it since it's nobody's fucking business.

[myrna minx]

8. If your option was included in this poll, this would be my selection.n/t

[rcrush]

9. Can I merge options 2 and 3?

Thats pretty much how I feel about it. Er I guess add 1 to that also.

[Arugula Latte]

12. And how convenient for you -- you have no uterus. nt

[Occam Bandage]

15. The options are different.

In #2, you are saying that you think abortion is acceptable but exceptionally regrettable, and you want to keep it legal. In #3, you are saying that you think abortion is completely unacceptable, but you want to keep it legal.

[rcrush]

17. I was trying to say

It should be legal. Up to the woman to decide. Its a medical procedure. Not something I personally agree with.


:shrug:

[AndyA]

10. Government needs to get the hell out of people's BEDROOMS.

What happens there is a PRIVATE matter, as long as minors aren't involved and everyone involved is a willing participant.

Other than that...GET THE FUCK OUT!

[sutz12]

11. We need a constitutional amendment..

stating that "Congress shall make no laws inhibiting the performance of medical procedures."

[Occam Bandage]

20. That wording would have terrible consequences.

It would effectively prevent the government from stopping doctors who perform dangerous, useless procedures. The word "inhibit" there would likely mean that all regulation of medicine would go out the window. Plus, that would effectively end the debate on medical ethics by declaring any procedure valid. Human/animal chimera cloning? Sure, why not, it's a medical procedure. Growing forebrainless people for organs? Sure, why not, it's medicine.

[Occam Bandage]

13. I'd like to see the anti-choicers defend their positions here. nt

[Renew Deal]

19. I would too.

I bet there's a few hiding out thinking they'll get banned. I don't believe that being anti-choice is banable on DU (nor should it be).

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. You want I should go to a Freeper web site and recruit?

Who else would defend that position?

Heck, even Sarah Palin bragged about CHOOSING to not abort. Nice that she is free to choose.

:hi:

(just kidding about going to Freeperville)

[EndersDame]

14. I consider it to be none of anybodies business beside a woman and her doc

[Toucano]

21. Pro-choice and glad it is not a decision I would ever have to make.

It is way above my pay grade.

[RoadRage]

25. Pro-Life & Pro-Choice

I personally do not think there is any reason aside from saving my own life (if it was in danger) that I would ever choose to have an abortion. I don't know if I could live with the mental reprocousions (sp?).

However, I see that as my OWN PERSONAL choice that I can and will make for myself. It is not my place to push my own personal convictions & choices on ANYONE else. No one has lived my life, and conversely I have never lived anyone elses. I have no idea what reasoning goes in to the decisions they choose to make - nor will I.

So, at the end of the day - I am both Pro-Life & Pro-Choice. If a friend asked for advice, I'd give her all of the options and information I have on not terminating her pregnancy. However, if she CHOSE to do so, I wouldn't think any less of her (and I have 4 friends who have all had abortions in the past 5 years).

If both groups would spend more time on trying to reduce the number of abortions over-all, and less time on fighting each other on who is "right", we might end up with a few less unexpected pregnancies, a few more fetuses that are born instead of aborted, and a whole lot more time focusing on other bigger problems like War, Poverty, etc.

[omega minimo]

26. Even after this murder, you don't understand the difference, who's "right" and still use "Pro Life"

[RoadRage]

27. huh? NT

[omega minimo]

30. Even though you get the concept of privacy, you are using the killers' terms

"So, at the end of the day - I am both Pro-Life & Pro-Choice."


"If both groups would spend more time on trying to reduce the number of abortions over-all, and less time on fighting each other on who is "right"...... "

Read the post again, maybe you'll :think:

[RoadRage]

31. Right... so

you'd rather focus on the terminology that I used (that you disagree with, even though it's commonly used) then the ideas I discussed over-all.

Got it.. so unless you're strictly Pro-Choice (am I allowed to use THAT TERM?) it's best to just not comment on the topic at all. Got it. :eyes:

[omega minimo]

32. Yesterday was a wake up call for those using "Pro Life" the way you do. Or not.

[RoadRage]

33. Yeah.. yesterday was clearly the fault of those who have ever uttered the term "Pro-Life"..

:eyes:

Perhaps it was clearly the fault of a guy named Scott Roeder.. you know, the killer?

[omega minimo]

34. Your logic is odd. The point is, language matters. Branding matters, That's why the DO it.

That's why that brand is a lie. That's why people applying it to themselves -- ignoring the history and background which reemerged yesterday -- are misguided.

The term is INTENDED to mislead.

[Eyerish]

28. Other

It's no one's goddamned business except the woman making the decision.

A poll of this nature is intentionally devisive...

[Maine-ah]

35. as a woman who had an abortion at 21, and gave birth at 33

having an abortion is not something I'd do again. That's my CHOICE.

Both the anti-choice and the choice side do need to work together to provide birth control/sex education to our children at an early age, certainly b/f high school. Birth control should be free for those that would financially qualify for state/fed aid, and should also be free to teens. Parents need to be more involved as well. Abortion should be available for those that chose to have one. As for late term, I feel that only if it's medically necessary to save the life of the mother or if the child has severe medical problems to the point that even if the babe should survive that his/her life would be hell to live.

I'm sure I am going to be educated more through out this thread, I do like to keep an open mind about such topics.