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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:30 PM
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O'Reilly demonized Tiller on 28 episodes of his show.

O'Reilly's campaign against murdered doctor

The Fox News star had compared Tiller to a Nazi, called him a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day"

By Gabriel Winant


May 31, 2009 | When his show airs tomorrow, Bill O'Reilly will most certainly decry the death of Kansas doctor George Tiller, who was killed Sunday while attending church services with his wife. Tiller, O'Reilly will say, was a man who was guilty of barbaric acts, but a civilized society does not resort to lawless murder, even against its worst members. And O'Reilly, we can assume, will genuinely mean this.

But there's no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists. Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006.

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/index.html
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:33 PM
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1. Tweetys "Big # " tonite ?...n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:33 PM
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2. That SOB will, no doubt, attempt to weasel out of
any complicity in Tiller's murder. We shouldn't let him do that. Let's keep reminding folks about his "Tiller the Killer" crap. It may just have been the thing that sent Roeder over the edge.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:52 PM
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16. I doubt if O'Reilly coined that phrase
lots of people were calling him "Tiller the killer". It's a natural riff on his name especially for those who equate abortion to murder.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:06 PM
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19. No, he didn't coin it, but he used it very frequently. Whoever
coined it doesn't have the platform O'Lielly has. He owns the phrase now, I think, having spread it far and wide.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:35 PM
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3. This guy should be taken off the tv and air ways as a terrorist enamler..as should
beck,limpballs,and many, many more...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:38 PM
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5. Yep, censorship is the answer!
Eliminate all opposing views!

:eyes:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:49 PM
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7. Nice straw man.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:13 PM
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21. Not at all. The poster is advocating censorship.
O'Reilly and Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity, etc. have not broken any laws. They have the right to state their opinions.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:49 PM
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8. Hate speech is not an opposing view. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:59 PM
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11. So inciting violence is a-ok? I know, censorship is a no-no, but I
do wish the lines of what is acceptable were clearer.

And I firmly believe people like O'Reilly were inciting violence.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:21 PM
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23. "Incitement to violence" has a legal definition.
People may have their own personal definitions, but unless O'Reilly, etc. specifically called for the murder of this doctor...or abortion doctors in general, it does not meet the legal standard for "incitement to violence".

That's why crimes have legal definitions...to prevent people from using personal ambiguous standards to judge others' actions.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:16 PM
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14. Then, why is Charles Manson in jail????
He didn't kill anyone -- all he did was talk. Just the same as O'Reilly. Are we censoring Charles Manson?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:11 PM
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20. Manson actively planned a murder.
If you can't see the difference between that and publicly stating one's opinion...however offensive it may be...then you have issues.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 04:48 PM
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24. O'Reilly did too
Stating your opinion on choice is one thing. Holding up an individual to repeated (i believe 28) attacks, labeling him as a child murderer, and insinuating that something had to be done about him, goes way beyond stating your opinion.

O'Reilly incited violence.

O'Reilly takes full credit whenever something comes about that he has advocated.

He claimed full responsibility for his blustering leading to the downfall of newspaper. He took full credit for his war on Christmas successes. He took full credit for tanking GE stock. He took full credit for lowering gas prices.

So, if O'Reilly's words -- by his own claim -- were responsible for all of those things, then they are responsible for this terrorist murder.

He can't have it both ways.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:31 PM
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25. Fortunately, the law disagrees with you.
As I stated above, that's why crimes have legal definitions...so people don't get randomly charged based on an arbitrary definition of the law.

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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 06:32 AM
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27. Thank you !
You are absolutely correct! The law is not arbitrary nor should it be in regard to the issues raised here about O'Reilly's comments concerning Tiller.

O'Reilly has much more to fear from a civil action for his incendiary bullshit.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-02-09 01:06 PM
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28. Taking away someone's microphone isn't censorship.
No one should be able to tell Billo not to spew hate speech, but he damn well shouldn't be paid to spew it to millions.

The constitution doesn't grant you a right to marketing for mass consumption.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 07:03 AM
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29. Depends on how you intend to "take away someone's microphone".
If it's a business decision, that's fine.

If the government makes the decision, it's censorship.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:07 AM
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30. I was referring to the former.
But yeah, in most cases the government can't silence someone, nor should they.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:10 AM
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31. If FOX (and other broadcasters) make that decision, I'd have no problem with it.
Edited on Wed Jun-03-09 08:11 AM by MercutioATC
:)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:36 PM
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4. O'Reilly's a typical republicon chickenhawk
Spews lots and lots of hate, then whimps out on service to America and dodges the draft, while cheerleading for others to go fight in a phony Crusade for oil profits so his stock investments will go up.

Sooooooo republicon.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:47 PM
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6. O'Reilly should be investigated for terrorism.
I work for a doctor who deals in pain management. He also writes certificates for medical cannabis if he feels it would be helpful to the patient. I told him about the assassination murder of Dr. Tiller and asked him if he could possibly targeted by anti-drug nut jobs. He told me he carries anti-terrorism insurance for such a possibility happening. So murdering doctors who legally practice something you disagree with is legally considered an act of terrorism. I believe inciting people to act in such a matter would make you an accessory. I would like to see arrests or investigations at least tested on people like O'Reilly and Free Republic to see if such charges could be made to stick.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:51 PM
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9. it's a rw criminal conspiracy
o'reilly and others are just as guilty as the man who pulled the trigger. it's time for the justice department to connect the dots.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:59 PM
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10. O'Reilly is scum
And in his sick twisted brain I bet he is happy about this just like Randall Terry and the whole Operation Rescue crew.
U.S. grown terrorists.

:grr:

Sonia
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:01 PM
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12. Can't wait to see Countdown tonight!! I know KO will do us proud! n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:03 PM
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13. Wrongful death suit.
I'm hoping some enterprising attorney slaps a wrongful death suit against O'liely personally. Dr. Tiller was not a political/public figure, but a private citizen. The media is not allowed to attack and incite violence against private citizens with same impunity it does politicians and celebrities.
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:00 PM
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18. He was shot before
Long before O'Reilley became big. I don't doubt yesterday's events would have happened with or without O'Reilley.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:46 PM
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15. O'Reilly is a hate monger and one of his viewers went off the deep end
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:53 PM
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17. Taking Hate Groups To Court by Morris Dees and Ellen Bowden
Taking Hate Groups To Court by Morris Dees and Ellen Bowden
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - http://www.splcenter.org/pdf/static/courtroom_victories.pdf


A hurdle facing most civil hate crime suits is that the defendants are penniless. .....


Courtroom Victories:
Taking Hate Groups To Court
by Morris Dees and Ellen Bowden

NOTE: This article first appeared in the February 1995 issue of Trial, a publication of the American Trial Lawyers Association.

On a quiet evening in November 1988, Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian graduate student, was being dropped off by two friends. Three skinheads from a racist group, East Side White Pride, spotted them. Wearing steel-toed boots and military jackets, the skinheads blocked the Ethiopians’ path and ordered them to move. When the Ethiopians did not respond immediately, one of the skinheads took a baseball bat and smashed their car windows. Another skinhead then turned the baseball bat on Seraw. With repeated blows, the angry skinhead crushed Seraw’s skull. Seraw was dead before the paramedics arrived on the scene.

Unfortunately, stories like Seraw’s are not uncommon. Hate crimes have reached epidemic proportions. Hate has motivated over 100 murders since1990. According to the FBI, 7,684 incidents of hate crime took place in1993 alone. The saddest fact is that these figures do not come close to measuring the true number of hate crimes in the United States. For every reported hate crime, as many as nine others may go unreported.
Hate crimes know no geographic boundaries. Once most often associated with violence in the South, hate crimes have touched every region of the country in recent years. No group is immune. Once most often associated with violence against blacks by whites, hate crimes now count Asian-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, gays, lesbians, blacks and whites among their victims.

Hate crimes pose unique threats. Victims of hate crime are much more likely to endure severe physical and psychological harm than victims of other violent crimes. Compounding the problem, hate crimes have the potential to convulse an entire community. The Rodney King beating illustrates how one hate-motivated crime can quickly become a focal point for venting long-simmering grievances. The social strife that often accompanies hate crime can irreparably damage a community’s cohesion.

The lawyer’s role
What can we as attorneys do to reduce hate crimes? One step ..............
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:15 PM
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22. olbermann should run a montage of this n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:34 PM
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26. "And O'Reilly, we can assume, will genuinely mean this."
Remember what happens when you assume. You make an ASS out of U and ME. :P
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