I'm trying to wrap my head around this David Carradine thing

[CatWoman]

he had a rope tied around his neck and his genitals, plus his hands were tied around his back.

Obviously, the man didn't tie himself up like that. Not his hands, anyway.

David's death reminds me of that of Albert Dekker: http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/d/dekker/albert_dekker.htm

In both cases, it appears that whomever the men were engaged in these acts with fled after death became apparent.

[madaboutharry]

1. The issue of his hands is very troubling, since it really does

indicate someone else was involved. I feel terrible for his family.

[alfredo]

2. There's some dispute about whether his hands were tied or not.

[NightWatcher]

3. and a hooker would never run away if things went bad......

things happen when engaging in dangerous practices like sexual tourism in Bangkok

[CatWoman]

4. I understand theclosed curcuit video shows nothing

as in noone entering or leaving his room.....

[Motown_Johnny]

7. I think he was there shooting a movie, not as a "tourist"

[MADem]

5. No. Not behind his back--above his head.

The picture appeared on the front page of a tabloid paper called Thai Rath.

[uppityperson]

12. and only "above his head" when he was slumped down

otherwise they were at head height, easily reached by his mouth to tighten them if that was what he did.

[MADem]

16. CSI Bankok!

Didn't think of that, but of course, you're quite right.

I just don't "get" the thrill of that whole "strangle yourself" practice, either. It just seems foolish to me.

[uppityperson]

17. Sex is an odd thing, no matter how you look at it.

[MADem]

20. It is.

It's an enjoyable activity that some feel the need to get kinky to enjoy.

I mean, really--eating a really good meal is a total blast, but strangling yourself between the second and third courses wouldn't make it any better...!

I don't think, anyway...

[CatWoman]

23. look at all the cases involving famous people:

Famous cases

* Frantisek Kotzwara, composer, died from erotic asphyxiation in 1791, which is probably the first recorded case.
* Sada Abe killed her lover, Kichizo Ishida, through erotic asphyxiation in 1936, proceeding to cut off his testicles and carry them in her handbag for a number of days. The case caused a sensation in 1930s Japan and has remained one of the most famous Japanese murder cases of all time.
* Albert Dekker, stage and screen actor, was found in 1968 with his body graffitized and a noose around his neck in his bathroom.
* Vaughn Bodé, artist, died from this cause in 1975.
* Stephen Milligan, a British Conservative MP for Eastleigh, died from autoerotic asphyxiation combined with self-bondage in 1994.<23>
* Kevin Gilbert, a songwriter, musician, composer, producer and collaborator, died of apparent autoerotic asphyxiation in 1996.<24>
* Michael Hutchence, lead singer of INXS, was rumored to have died from autoerotic asphyxiation in 1997, although suicide was the official cause of death.<25>
* Kristian Etchells, British National Front party member, in 2005.<26>
* On March 28, 2007, The New York Times had a front-page story on a teenager who had suffered a heart attack and spent three days in a coma after hanging himself for a "rush".<27>, in what appeared to be an instance of a choking game.
* In Herceg v. Hustler, Diane Herceg sued Hustler magazine for the death of her 14-year-old son, Troy D., who had experimented with autoerotic asphyxia after reading about it in that publication. <28>
* Actor David Carradine's death in June 2009 is believed to be the result of erotic asphyxiation.<29>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoerotic_asphyxiation

[MADem]

25. Many, many years ago, I worked with a guy who died with this as a cause of death.

That was the first time I'd ever had a real awareness of it. I sorta knew about it, but I always thought it was more of a fiction than fact--a very rare and odd thing.

And you know how people say "Who woulda thought?" In the case of this guy I knew, that's what everyone was saying. Talk about a mild mannered milquetoast!

You just never know.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

6. His hands weren't tied behind his back -

they were tied above his head, something that's very easily done by one person.

His death was a classic case of autoerotic asphyxiation, a fairly risky game anytime, but in a 72-year-old man, it was suicidal.........

[fob]

14. I'm with CW, if he tied his hands around the closet pole, then

how does he manipulate his, uh, pole?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

15. I could explain this to you,

but, honestly, it's the kind of thing I wish I didn't know.

It's how it works - hands over head, all trussed together with one rope.

Use your imagination, or else google "autoerotic asphyxiation."

[uppityperson]

18. Sometimes there are other ropes, lines, strings, to other parts of the body

You get everything trussed "just right", then things pull on other things when you move, etc.

[MADem]

21. Apparently, "other things" did have a bit of parcel string about them, the reports said. NT

[BlooInBloo]

8. I assumed that it was a "good time, gone too far", and that his playmate fled after he died.

[HopeHoops]

9. It was Jackie Chan in the Hotel Room with a Rope

He could have come in through the window - he's done that in a few movies.

And anyone who has seen Jackie Chan movies KNOWS he always finds a way of appearing naked!

[blogslut]

10. We don't know the complete truth as of yet

But your explanation sounds logical: A high-risk scenario that went terribly wrong and the sex worker fled. Or perhaps, the sex worker alerted the hotel staff and was told/paid to leave the scene. Not murder but involuntary manslaughter.

Let's hope there is a fair and thorough investigation.

EDIT ADD: After reading some of the above responses, those who have seen photos of Mr. Carradine's corpse say his hands were tied above his head - something that can be done by the individual.

I don't "get" auto-erotic asphyxiation but apparently there are people willing to risk their lives for a few moments of enhanced orgasm. Perhaps Mr. Carradine was one of those unfortunate few.

[CatWoman]

11. his brother, Keith, is asking the FBI get involved.

[brentspeak]

13. Albert Dekker was probably murdered

Out of the blue, a 60-plus-yr-old man, who had never previously even had rumors concerning strange sexual behavior, suddenly decided to become a pervert who liked to get tied up, blindfolded, and have messages written all over his body in lipstick? Somebody offed him, and tried to make it look like he was engaged in deviant acts.

[uppityperson]

19. I am finding all this fascinating, what sexuality makes one a "pervert"

[johnaries]

22. Ahem. He was in Bangkok.

For $10 you can get a Thai "bargirl" to do anything you want. And erotic asphyxia is very popular with some people despite the dangers.

Before anything says anything about "racist" or "sexist", just Google Thai bargirls and see wht you get (not at work, of course).

the song is true: "One night in Bangkok makes the tough guy tumble".

[Mike 03]

24. The wrist issue is key, I think. How seriously "tight" were the ligatures with respect to

the hands.

The camera showed nobody entering or exiting his hotel room, and frankly... nevermind.

This is not an unusual practice, but it is very bizarre. I don't get it, but anyone who reviews textbooks on homicide will learn a lot about this and how to rule out "foul play" with respect to autoerotic asphyxiation.

[and-justice-for-all]

26. Sounds like kinky sex gone out of control to me...

but, it could also be some weird murder too. It is most likely kinky sex gone wrong.