American Commander Loses it - Cusses Out Iraqi Police Unit - Video

[TwixVoy]

Interesting video.... "I have no problem beating any of your asses because I don't give a fuck"

Prior to this statement he is accusing them of not being loyal. Gee I wonder why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHD5uoKl8Y

[MercutioATC]

1. He has a point.

We'll train an American kid for 10 weeks and send him off to fight in Iraq.

How long have the Iraqi forces been "training"?...and they still can't seem to defend their own country.

[TwixVoy]

2. Defend it from who?

Their fellow people? This guy was trying to get them to go walk the streets and as he puts it "Get in a shooting match and fuck some people up". Yea, sounds like a great way to "defend" ones country.

What would you think if Russia invaded us, and outside your house a Russian General was bitching at American police for not marching through a neighborhood and starting a fire fight to "fuck up" fellow Americans? Would those police be "defending" america in your opinion?

[MercutioATC]

3. Defend it from what we euphemistically call "domestic terrorists".

The people he was encouraging them to "fuck up" may be Iraqi citizens, but they're actively fighting against government forces.

And yes, in your scenario the police would be derelict in their duties if they were tasked with enforcing the rule of law and they holed up in town, refusing to go 3 miles down the road to confront people who were killing civilians.

[TwixVoy]

4. I wouldn't take orders from a Russian who occupied my country

would you?

If not, why would you expect Iraqis to do the same in a similar situation?

[MercutioATC]

5. Then they should stop accepting our "help".

We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American lives in Iraq. They've let us bear the responsibility for maintaining order for too long.

They weren't being given orders, they were being told that they weren't doing their jobs. There's a distinct difference.

[Alamuti Lotus]

6. didn't ask for it, and obviously don't want it

that's the whole business of "it being forced upon"; you know, the business of that whole little foreign invasion and occupation thing.. Now, if they had done a better job of defending the country from what I'll euphemistically call an "international terrorist" (his arrogant ass of a trainer and his pals), this wouldn't be an issue.

[Fumesucker]

8. They fucking *had* order...

Before we came in like a bull in a goddamn china shop and literally blew their society to smithereens.

Jesus wept, if even Dems can't understand this shit it's no wonder America has its head so far up its own ass.

[MercutioATC]

9. I'm not arguing that point. We are where we are, however.

As things stand now, the police deserved the chewing out, IMO. If they can't figure out how to keep the peace by now, it should be their problem, not ours.

[Fumesucker]

10. So we get to blow their society apart

And then wash our hands?

Pilate would be so proud.

Iraq is the most culturally, tribally and religiously fragmented society in the Middle East, so much so that it makes Lebanon look like Japan. That Iraq would disintegrate into chaos without a dictator in charge was a foregone conclusion, anyone who knows anything about the ME knew that.

Iraq is not America and anyone who thinks Iraqis are going to have an American outlook on their society is seriously deluded.

We broke their society out of sheer blinkered stupidity and titanic hubris, it is our responsibility not that of the victims of our idiocy.

When we can hold our own leaders responsible for war crimes maybe then we have room to point fingers at the average Iraqi.

I'm certainly not holding my fucking breath waiting for that though.

[MercutioATC]

12. Ok, what's your solution?

...and at what point does Iraq step up to the plate and take responsibility for their own security?

[Fumesucker]

13. At what point does America step up to the plate...

And take responsibility for their own fuckups?

If you think chewing people out who see you as a world class hypocrite is going to do any good then you are beyond any reasoning with.

[MercutioATC]

14. So charging Bush, et al, will stabilize Iraq?

Exactly how does that work?


...and, just to be clear, Iraq had "order" because it was governed by a ruthless dictator. I'm not suggesting that we didn't screw up, but we didn't "break" Iraq, we just further screwed up an already broken system.

[armyowalgreens]

15. I think a lot of people think that internal revolution would be better

for a place like Iraq.

I'm still torn on the subject.

[Fumesucker]

16. As I already pointed out..

The only way Iraq was going to *be* stable was with a dictator.

It is my opinion that Iraq, as currently constituted, can't be fixed, you can't unscramble an egg.

Pointing fingers and chewing people out when your own house is in corrupt disarray is hardly the path to moral leadership.

[Fumesucker]

7. But the Iraqi government is a puppet government..

Americans may not want to admit it but the Iraqis know that the USA controls their government.

And we have officials at the very highest levels of our own government who refuse to enforce the rule of law even though they are in no physical danger from doing so, the only penalty they will pay is political and yet they will not act.

I would say the Iraqis are looking at those who are trying to tell them what to do and thinking what fucking hypocrites we are.

[Smith_3]

11. The Iraqis are obviously to blame for the situation in Iraq.

If they were more eager to accept american-style democracy, we wouldn't have to be occupying them for their oil.

:sarcasm:

Learn something everyday. Next we will hear that Poland is actually to blame for the invasion of Poland, because the were unfit to be an arian nation.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. What an ass

[ThirdWorldJohn]

18. The Commander is with the same military that lied to the USA and Tillman's family

He was probably one that was all for the war and now blames other when it goes to shit.

[DrDan]

19. "Are you too much of a woman?"

wow - why doesn't he play that film for his troops.

I am sure it would go over very well as a motivational message.

[justinaforjustice]

20. Video Shows the Perfect Example of The Ugly American.

This "commander" is an embarrassing example of how low the U.S. has sunk. He has the vocabulary of an uneducated 5th grader, who can't communicate anything but the "F--k" word. His treatment of these Iraqis is arrogant,insulting and counter-productive. He is turning them further against the U.S., not motivating them to fight. If this is an example of how we are training our commanders to lead, it's obvious that Bush really has wrecked our military. This guy should be fired and every guy in the chain of command who "trained" him should be cashiered as well.

[MercutioATC]

21. I'll hazard a guess...you were never in the military, were you?

It may offend you, but "fuck" is just punctuation in a lot of careers (my civilian career included).

The average new enlistee in our own Army receives much worse...hell, that's not much harsher than some of what I got as a civilian air traffic controller when I hired in 18 years ago.