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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:11 AM Original message |
Bush Destroyed General Motors |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. bush can be blamed for many things |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. You got it |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. LOL Mind if I print and frame that? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I want royalties |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And if Obama doesn't make all our wildest dreams come true RIGHT NOW |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is tongue-in-cheek, right? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. No |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. There's no doubt that Bush was an an anti-labor corporatist, BUT... |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:43 AM Original message |
GM is responsible for the demise of GM |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
46. From Nawlins? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Hardly. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yep |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. BeFree come on? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Heh |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. Personally, I don't think the president should be deciding which corporations |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Except for Citibank, AIG, and Goldman Sachs, you surely mean. nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. So you are in favor of bailing out the banks. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. No, but it's done. Therefore, it is bizarre to point to a "free market" which does not exist |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. GM asked for a bridge loan. GM got a bridge loan. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. AIG asked for 100% taxpayer bailout of its "counterparties" ($180 B and counting.) AIG got it. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
33. No, I surely don't. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Why do the banks get to "learn" after $12,000,000,000,000.00 of taxpayer $$$? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And it shouldn't have happened. I'm not sure why you can't get that. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The bailouts both distort the so-called "free market" and undermine its ideological underpinnings |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. "your last free-market prophecy" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The free-market was insufficient to properly regulate and sustain the financial institutions.. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. "He should have saved us. He failed his duty." |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Ummm, "AIG", Mr. "Free Market Warrior". |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Ummm...that's not an argument. |
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votingupstart (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. good point nt |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. The President should NOT be in the business of saving individual companies... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. Sorry, but Obama forced GM into bankruptcy, while bailing out his bankster buddies at 100%. nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. How? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Please confine your remarks to me to one sub-thread. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. So what exactly happens when a bondholder isn't paid? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Defaulting on an obligation is not the threshold whereby a creditor may force a corp. into BK |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Under what legal authority? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. The bankruptcy code is at 11 USC 100 et seq. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. As a condition.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Try to make this a morality play about personal responsibility. Others got treated VERY differently |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Once again I am opposed to AIG bailouts. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. But they've happened, and must be accounted for...they distort the very basis of the "free market" |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. GM has a long track record of losing money. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You see? Goal posts moved from "Let the Market Decide" to admitting that politicians decide |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Once again if it were up to me I wouldn't have bailed out AIG. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. If it were up to me, we'd never die! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. "Where the hell is this "free market" where we are testing GM's profitability?" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. LOL. Points for refusing to address the question, I suppose. Keep on ignoring inconvient data |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
10. Boosh had the Midas touch. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Bush destroyed everything he touched n/t |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. bush was the front man who took our eyes off the real decision makers |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. computer glitch dupe |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
19. GM's downfall started in the 1980's when they produced cars |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. One word. No, two |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Why didn't Ford fail? n/t |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Not yet |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I mean why didn't Ford NEED Bush to save them? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Except your list of losses is bullshit. for example: |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. 1999. Height of SUV boom years and around the end of GM profitability. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I see profits 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, contrary to the posters' |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. JUNE 10, 2009 Ford Seeks Loans, Guarantees From an Array of Governments |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. LOL Pensions and health care? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Never? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Really you are starting to get irrational. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Ok |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. That is at least logical. |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
36. Wrong way around. GM ran Bush. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
42. Not this time. Bush was a total fool or a supporter of the free market (freepers READ THIS) |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
56. GM destroyed GM |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. It was clearly a suicide by avarice and gluttony. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. Bush created conditions that caused GM... |
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