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marylanddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:43 AM Original message |
As a woman, I am very proud of Senator Boxer |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. context please |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Did you watch Professor Anita Hill testify to the Senate Committee about Clarence Thomas? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Excellent point! I"m glad there are those here who have this thing figured out for what it is. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
90. Sexism has alwasy been a staple here on DU. We're told to "deal with it" |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. It's kind of everywhere, but surprising here at DU. I truly don't think some people here |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Yes, "progressives" are "used to it". How fucked up is that? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. "How fucked up is that?" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
147. Bingo. n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
213. Silliness. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #213 |
300. If she's called before a public hearing it certainly is. As for Anita Hill, a lot was conveyed... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #300 |
336. I thought you said they talked respectfully during the hearing. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #336 |
362. Ah, no. That was what caused the outrage that I and millions of other women felt. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
473. OMG yes, I remember those hearings |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Here you go, a video of her simple and rather appropriate request |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
72. I agree, simple and appropriate, but I don't think the gen was being condescending either. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. She didn't say he was - she asked him to refer to her as Senator |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Well, the OP sees this as some sort of victory for women |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
101. She handled it perfectly. Noone was condescended to. There was no victory, it's called COMMUNICATION |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. I agree. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Cool. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
193. strictly speaking "Senator" is not a title at all |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #193 |
232. Uh... |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #232 |
271. They are both jobs |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
441. Odd. Bush was made fun of because he insisted on being called |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #72 |
135. That's military parlance, no? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:14 AM Response to Reply #135 |
157. It's sexist. Male senators are simply referred to as "senator." |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #157 |
168. Isn't it military protocol to refer to female officers as "Sir"? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #168 |
222. No - women officers are addresses as "Ma'am" |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #222 |
331. That's the problem. She is not in the military. She is in the Senate. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #331 |
337. So he might have nervously called an African American "boy" and that would be okay? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #337 |
343. No, it's no more OK than calling a senator, "Ma'am." And if it happened, |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #343 |
349. I hear it about 60 times a day, I probably use it at least 20 times a day. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #349 |
390. Perhaps if you were female, with experience, you would know that it can also be used |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #390 |
416. Any title can be used condescendingly, all you have to do is roll your eyes. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #416 |
419. I have many times |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #419 |
422. Wikipedia has a different take. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #422 |
432. FWIW. That would have been a perfect opportunity |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #432 |
434. Yes, do my best to comply. Isn't that better than ignoring the request. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #434 |
436. Every little bit helps |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #432 |
435. I'll ask you again did the General refuse the Senator's request? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #422 |
440. Oh, well!!!! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #440 |
442. I'm not going to stop using the counterpart of sir because a few people find it offensive. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #442 |
445. You are simply more aware that they may not appreciate you calling them that and may not tell you |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #440 |
444. Wiki trumps women in the pecking order -- not quite as high an authority as God... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #444 |
447. That's a strange belief you have there. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #447 |
448. That's what YOU said! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #448 |
449. And you have a quote of me saying that right? I thought not. No need to apologize, it's okay. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #449 |
452. It's okay |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #452 |
454. Cya. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #448 |
450. I'll ask you again did the General refuse the Senator's request? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #416 |
430. If that was your attempt to look at it from a female point of view, thank you. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #430 |
431. You're welcome, ma'am. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #343 |
364. Oh, please. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #343 |
391. "Ma'am" reflects the same condescension pretending to be protective but actually putting women down" |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #391 |
414. But, both were terms that separated. Gender discrimination has a |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #391 |
478. Deleted message |
Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #222 |
389. He was insulting to her and she put him in his place. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #157 |
177. Thank you very much .......... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #177 |
335. We did do a good job of it. I have two daughters who prove it. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. +1 Excellent post |
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Pool Hall Ace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #135 |
277. "fucking bag of organs" |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #277 |
282. That's why I get the big bucks........ |
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Pool Hall Ace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #282 |
309. Was the General upset about the Senator's request? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #309 |
310. Naw, he just assented, and went on ..... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
160. Dead link. n/t |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
195. "Video no longer available" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #195 |
267. It is disrespect when the recipient |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
479. except that her title is Senator and all Senators both male and female are addressed as such |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #479 |
482. you know... at the end of the day, a Senator outranks a General |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #482 |
502. So it was a power play to put the upstart in his place. nt |
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grandpappy (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Me too!! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. Uppity women. It's even going on here on this board. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That's because "they" are correct, and you are wrong. NT |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Ever watch the courtroom scene from A Few Good Men? The judge |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
136. Some men don't get it, |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #136 |
186. Good points. They may also not understand how intimidated they are to do it!! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. You shouldn't be. She made an ass of herself. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Was he calling the males Sir or Senator? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. I don't know. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. There was no "pissed" to it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I heard what I heard--she was putting the guy down, putting him in his place, |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. LOL - that military man should have known better |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. This isn't an "uppity woman" thing, so stop shopping that tired meme. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. And it was within her right to ask him to address her as Senator |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Hey, who do I believe--you or my own lying eyes? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. If you think she "won" then you were not paying attention |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. See for yourself. She jumped in and STEPPED on his answer, to make her point. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Was she the Chair of the committee? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. She was "Madame Chairwoman." That said, "Sir or Ma'am" are supposed to be ALWAYS OK. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. She had the right make the request, handled it graciously, nuff said. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #108 |
131. No, not "nuff" said. She did have the right to make the request, yes. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #131 |
344. "have the right to say she was a complete and total boorish asshole to the guy. Which she was." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #344 |
380. Yes, it most certainly was vile, her attitude. And unnecessary, too. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
107. She interjected when he paused. That's what happens in politics. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
133. No she did not. She stepped on his answer and he, courteously, stopped speaking. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #133 |
187. You asked why someone was making this discussion personal. That's exactly what you are doing. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #187 |
297. It's not about me. It's about Boxer asking the guy a question, and |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #297 |
345. She was very gracious. Anyone who is upset needs to grasp the same reality check as the general did, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #345 |
379. No, she was not. And your obsessive repitition isn't going to change that. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #379 |
388. Your obsessive repetition and ill logic don't make it so. You're wrong. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #388 |
394. Oh boy, now the "copycatting!" Such fun....nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:24 AM Response to Reply #59 |
161. His use of "Ma'am" was a device to put her in her place. She was right |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:38 AM Response to Reply #161 |
163. You obviously did not watch the testimony, otherwise you wouldn't shop that Big Lie. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #163 |
189. You are exhibiting the macho tendency to totally disregard and disrespect another POV |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #189 |
276. >>>>>>> |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #276 |
291. Nope, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #291 |
304. Watch the hearing. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #291 |
346. So sick of the BS, don't even want to read the post and there FINALLY is the link |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #346 |
395. I've posted the link in several places throughout this thread. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #395 |
405. I asked you for it directly and politely. Apparently you didn't want to provide it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #405 |
408. I provided it to you. Why don't you read the replies to your own incessant posts? nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #408 |
426. . |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #426 |
457. Don't blame me because YOU shoot off your mouth without reading the full thread. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #163 |
330. I lived in the south. Younger women and African-American women |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #330 |
415. I got bad news for you. I lived in the south, too. I remember "Colored" drinking fountains. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
465. Psssttt...your eyes ARE lying. Time for a checkup. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #465 |
471. Just had one. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
138. His use of "Ma'am" was appropriate, yes, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:24 AM Response to Reply #138 |
144. No, I do not. He started out calling her, appropriately "Madame Chair" |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:29 AM Response to Reply #144 |
145. I stand corrected, then .......... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. The big deal is not that she asked, but WHEN she asked. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #148 |
181. You may be right about this, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #181 |
287. ..........vehement, vociferous, and often irrational ? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #287 |
289. No, |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #289 |
294. MADem has not flipped out in this thread. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #294 |
296. If you read his posts about Senator Boxer's |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #296 |
299. I've read the thread, and watched the video...all of it except the last two minutes. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #299 |
302. You know, you're right ....... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #289 |
295. Watch. The. Full. Hearing. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #295 |
298. On second thought, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #298 |
301. Information? You don't need no steeeeenkin' information!!!! |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #295 |
365. You're absolutely right on this. The general did NOTHING sexist |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #148 |
197. Total bullshit. And why is the onus on her staff and not his? You're out of line on this |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #197 |
399. The onus is on her because she is the SENIOR in this equation. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #399 |
481. What "established protocol"? Military? No, it wasn't good enough. Now everybody knows. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #481 |
491. The protocol of polite society, something you plainly know nothing about. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
194. She didn't "step on him." NO ONE is "jumping on him." She prefers her title. He was testifying on CH |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #138 |
162. Senator Landrieu is a southerner and the term "Ma'am" is southern |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Deleted sub-thread |
Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #162 |
171. Excuse you but "ma'am" and "boy" are absolutely NOT equivalent. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #162 |
199. Senator Laudrieu is also Republican and supports the white male dominant power structure status quo |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #199 |
223. Senator Landrieu is a Democrat. Try to keep up n/t. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #223 |
253. Why would a Democrat participate in federal genocide in her home state? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #162 |
216. Hey boy, you are an idiot. That's demeaning. Saying yes maam is polite. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #138 |
192. And isn't it interesting that there's an assumption that b/c they're women, they would have the same |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #192 |
225. It doesn't matter......... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #225 |
256. "Senator Boxer very politely and gently, almost self-effacingly asked the general for" |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #192 |
424. To be perfectly honest, with you, |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
95. there is. Non military are refered to as sir or ma'am. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
106. Absolutely not. No way. She was respectful and kind and started, "Could you do me a favor." |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
137. I disagree - |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
159. If he had called an African-American senator "Boy," you would understand. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:42 AM Response to Reply #159 |
165. You really are disgusting. You're slandering this guy and your assertion |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #159 |
173. No it's not! You are simply wrong. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #173 |
201. "Boy" is much more highly charged -- (from black history we looked at for Juneteenth) |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #201 |
326. Well the poster picked the dumbest of analogies. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
217. This is perhaps the dumbest argument ever made here. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
227. That's pretty stupid nt |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
188. Is there another link? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #188 |
334. Amazing isn't it - all of this over a simple request. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
226. They are called both - it depends on the context. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. This is not a settled area of protocol. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Yes, it is. Ask any female general -- she'll take "ma'am" as the equivalent to "sir" any day. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
202. Correct. They want to be called "Senator" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #202 |
410. No they don't. They'll take Sir, Mister Chairman, or Senator--like the |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Boxer had every right to be called Senator. It is her title and they were in a formal hearing - she |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Stop calling me a "right wing panderer" because I know military protocol and you do not. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Military protocol is not the issue here. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. OK, now you're just being absurd. The man was in uniform, testifying for DOD. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Glad we settled that. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
109. She was within her rights. You think she was wrong. So what? She WAS within her rights |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #109 |
146. She made an ass of herself. But she was within her "rights." |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #146 |
204. "Boorish ass"? Perhaps you can proved any evidence of that. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #204 |
412. I did. Bit you're too busy having a sword fight with everyone on this forum to bother to watch it. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #412 |
453. I don't need 1:10 to know that Senator Boxer is one of the best and deserves more respect |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #453 |
455. Something I've said ten or more times in this thread: I like Boxer. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #455 |
458. I can read half through the thread with an open mind and when the insults kick in, your credibility |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #458 |
459. The only one tossing insults is you. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #459 |
460. Read your own post and take just one moment to consider how you shoot yourself in the foot |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #460 |
463. I have been reasoned, you've been both abusive and obnoxious. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #463 |
467. oh yes most certainly congratulations. Better luck next time. (You always do this, don't you?) |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #467 |
469. There you go again. More accusations. This time, you are accusing me of |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #469 |
474. "You really should stop insulting people and check your conduct." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #474 |
475. No they aren't. They're about you, accusing people of being sexist, rightwingers, etc. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #475 |
476. "Odd how ALL of your accusations are about yourself." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #476 |
477. There you go again, with your rightwing accusations, like a broken record. NT |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
231. She had the right to be rude I guess - doesn't mean she had to exercise it. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #231 |
273. She wasn't "rude" |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #273 |
320. She went out of her way to publicly embarrass someone - that's rudeness. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #320 |
347. A woman senator got tired of being called "Ma'am" rather than her title and said so, politely. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:03 AM Response to Reply #347 |
371. What he called her is standard military etiquette |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #371 |
372. Both your assumptions depend on questions posed here repeatedly; no one has the answers |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #372 |
374. The military has been briefing Congress for years |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #374 |
376. Go ahead. Miss the point/s. Don't have the answers, anyway. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #376 |
381. There are no points - just people justifying the rudeness of an egocentric politician. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #381 |
382. Willful ignorance is bliss. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #382 |
384. I am glad you are happy - Bye. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #384 |
386. Get back to us when you have the answers. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #386 |
387. Deleted sub-thread |
avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
42. You most certainly do not know military protocol or even common etiquette given your |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Yes, I do, and I even quoted the TRADOC guidance downthread. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
111. Or the general's staff could let him know how to behave before a Senate committee |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #111 |
130. Don't make a complete fool of yourself. The Army guidance tells |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #130 |
205. Didn't see the link. Does the protocol prevent the witness from using "Senator"? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
110. +1.. Absolutely SPOT. ON. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
203. That is what you're doing. RW is doing this. Military protocol doesn't supersede Senate protocol. |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Maybe somebody should say stuff the Madame |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Fat Denny Hastert was "Mister Speaker." Nancy Pelosi is "Madame Speaker." |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Well, at least we agree on that. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. If you call her Sir, you deny her her gender. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
139. I just wanna KISS you |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #139 |
348. I prefer the gender neutral. Why the clumsy choices? The male is not gender neutral. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
328. actually, "their" is perfectly fine in that instance, and has been used that way for 500 years |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
425. The male pronoun is NOT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
206. She's not. That's why she DARED to request her title in a considerate, appropriate manner. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
100. So he should call her "sir"? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
429. He should call her what she ASKED to be called! |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. As I posted yesterday, she has the right to be asked to be addressed |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. She has the "right" to act like a fucking asshole when she does so, too! |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
73. Maybe she was having a bad day? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I think she was, especially since she spoke about her frustration with the ACOE |
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malletgirl02 (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #75 |
284. ACOE |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
208. It seemed she was explaining why she had a preference and did it to take responsibility |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. I disagree. She's not in the military. She's a senator. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well, you can disagree, but you're wrong. It is appropriate protocol to |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
118. As a former woman officer and member of a general's staff, you are wrong. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #118 |
142. No I am not wrong. And there are not "very few women generals." |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
254. I heard it on the radio and yes what I said is true - a BG says "yes General" not "Ma'am." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #254 |
292. Again, I do not believe anything you are saying. Environmental subcommittee meetings |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #292 |
315. Now I don't believe a word you say. Nice try. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #315 |
322. Ah yes, the "I'm rubber, you're glue" argument. Thanks for proving my point! nt |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
52. She isn't in the military. They should use the more formal manner of addressing her. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. She's been in the Senate for three terms. The default is Sir or Ma'am. |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
62. I agree |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. +1 |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
105. "Do me a favor, could you call me Senator instead of Ma'am, it's just a thing, I worked so hard to" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #105 |
153. She "made Democrats look good?" She made them look so good that her |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #153 |
214. If the Reich Wing propagandize on this, the appeal will be to status quo sexism and bigotry. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #214 |
281. Her idiot opponent already has a commercial out and is fundraising based on it. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
158. No. Ma'am is a sexist word left over from the period of slavery. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #158 |
179. You aren't from the South are you? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #179 |
332. Yes, I lived in the south for some years as a girl/teenager. |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #158 |
323. That's one of the most idiotic things I've read on DU lately |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. I can't tell from the video if he was being condescending. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. Is it only me , because English is my second language , but I always thought that "Ma'm" was an |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. "Ma'am" was what women were called when they had no legal rights in this country. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. I agree. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
82. Exactly. It may have been meant to be equal, and might seem |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
366. "Ma'am" (short for "madam") was what women were called when people had manners. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. See Post #9 above. It's about context, in my opinion. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
39. It does imply respect. It is a respectful form of address. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. That's how I was raised |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Senator Landrieu didn't have a problem with Walsh calling her Ma'am. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
114. How do you know? And if she didn't SO WHAT?!! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #114 |
129. Are you saying she is so weak-minded she wouldn't have piped up? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #129 |
219. No. YOU are. Another of your projections. And it's sexist to assume women all think the same. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #219 |
305. I am not saying that at all. Try reading and stop ass-uming. It reflects badly on you. NT |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
433. May I ask why |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
54. You are correct. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
81. It was, but IMO it is 19th/early 20th century stuff that needs to |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #81 |
156. So just how do you refer in a couteous manner |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #156 |
421. crickets n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
12. Hmm. This thread is playing out just about the way I thought it would. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Wow, throw a little gas on the fire, why don't you? No one is saying that except YOU. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
112. The only controversy is you think your opinion outweighs the Senator's right to be called Senator |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
149. No, that's not accurate, but thanks for your input. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #149 |
215. Yes it is. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
113. Doesn't she LOVE a man in a UNIFORM? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
140. Really? You're not surprised? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #140 |
169. So am I but sadly there are those who stand with the protocol argument. For them, if the |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
16. One could argue about Sir and Ma'am |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
47. It wasn't simple, though. |
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312. There you go with the personal "characterizations" and the insults. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #312 |
314. Your post applies directly to you. "...she is being painted as an asswipe who hates the military..." |
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383. I understand perfectly. You presented it. Your choice. Totally disrepectful. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #383 |
396. Faux outrage fails to convince. Don't tell me what I may or may not do here, either. |
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427. You are consistent. Pestering people from start to finish. Trashing one of our best senators. |
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470. Wahhhhhhhhhhh |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #483 |
485. I am not the one behaving badly here. You are. NT |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #485 |
487. You started out badly, that's the POINT. I'll believe it when I see it. Better luck next time. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #487 |
503. No, I didn't. You simply get angry at anyone who disagrees with you. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
19. Good for Senator Boxer!!!!! WOOT WOOT WOOT!! |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. I agree and Sen. Boxer is Senator Boxer! |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
438. I just HATE that! |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
20. Could someone put this in context? Maybe a link? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
68. It's long. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
22. Geez, Pelosi must be OUTRAGED!! |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Pelosi doesn't have any "fellow Senators". |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You get my point. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. OK, enough of this nonsense--let's go to the MANUAL. Boxer was wrong. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #46 |
125. Gee, I wonder why no one responded to this. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #125 |
132. Because facts are pesky things. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
141. " ... scold him..."? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #141 |
150. Watch the whole tape. It is over an hour. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #141 |
170. No kidding. I went back and watched the clip again and was surprised at how meek she was. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #170 |
178. No kidding ............ |
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edbermac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
48. Some blogs are stating that Boxer called Condi Rice Ma'am. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. There is tape of her on YOUTUBE, calling Condi "Madam Secretary" |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. I hate to have to say it but I have to agree with you there. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Why is she a bitch for asking to be called by her official title? |
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Dramarama (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I think it's the tone |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. The funny thing is, "Ma'am" and "Sir" , although usually the former |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #89 |
174. I saw the video, and she came across badly. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #174 |
198. I thought she looked fine. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #198 |
327. Meh, she came across as rude to me |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's standard in the military to call men "sir" and women "ma'am" |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Agreed n/t |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
115. It's standard in the Senate to call senators, "Senator." |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. I was raised to use ma'am and sir. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #65 |
166. Yeah |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. I think it was disgusting of her and completely rude. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
116. Is he so uninformed he can't use the title she prefers and requests by right. No. He's not. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. Rude and condescending. She was doing nothing more than showing her disdain |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. I think she came off as a self-important jackass. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #78 |
127. You mean like any other member of the Senate?! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
79. Senator Boxer..... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
80. Ma'am sucks, I can't put a finger on why, but whenever I get |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
397. LOL... |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. Boxer was grandstanding. As a woman, I find that way more annoying than being called "ma'am." |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
117. She made a brief request, explained her reason, the hearing continued. How is that grandstanding? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
85. things that make you go hmmmm. why is this clip out here? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
86. oops |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
87. I guess you have never been in the military |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. And the context was a Senate hearing, not a muster. n/t |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. ma'am is the correct title of respect for non military females. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
124. I think non military females get to be the deciders on that one. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #124 |
175. sure, but dont act like hes being disrespectful |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #175 |
196. He had no reason to invoke her gender. Her title is Senator |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
121. And how many women generals do you think this BG says "Ma'am to"? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #121 |
151. You're such an "expert" you think this guy is in the Air Force! |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #151 |
255. Listened on the radio and radio person called him Air Force. I was |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #255 |
285. Cough. Bullshit. You did not. And you were not. You have no credibility with me. NT |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #285 |
290. Not worth it.......... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #290 |
303. There you go again. I expected better of you and am again disappointed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #121 |
154. He had zero reason to invoke her gender in that public setting. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Yeah, he was being a sexist asshole when he SIR'd the shit out of Vitter too! |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
261. If you were a woman, you would know that "Sir" and "Ma'am" are not equivalent. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #261 |
279. How do you "know" what I am?? You don't. That is a shitty excuse that is dragged out |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #279 |
318. I've got your number and probably out ranked you so you can just say Yes, Ma'am |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #318 |
325. I rather doubt that. See, senior leadership usually recognize military uniforms |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #325 |
439. I heard it on the radio too... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #439 |
492. Anyone who has served on a general staff knows the proper forms of address, |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #492 |
496. My point was not the argument |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #496 |
499. She couldn't have "heard" the color of his uniform on the radio. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
308. damn straight, FAFD |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #308 |
313. Can you imagine the trail of kicked asses you would have left behind had you been offended? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #313 |
316. oh, I kicked plenty of ass |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #316 |
317. LOL..this is why I love you. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #317 |
319. that guy was well over 6 ft tall, 200 pounds |
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harry_pothead (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
93. He was being respectful |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Any woman can be called Ma'am |
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Retired AF Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
268. Of course she isn't in the military |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
119. She didn't snip him out. She had right and reason to her title. Explained it. Deal with it. He did. |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
102. My two top fave senators are Boxer and Feingold, BUT.... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #102 |
120. If the Senator prefers to be called Senator and explains she worked hard for it, why is it even a ?? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
143. We weren't in that room. It comes down to, do you trust Boxer. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #143 |
152. The entire hour and a half of testimony is available on the internet. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #152 |
183. MADem, thank you |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #183 |
411. You are quite welcome. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #152 |
212. "Petty"? Another projection on her behavior because she's female? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #212 |
283. Watch the video. Watch it. ALL of it. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #212 |
375. So you think women can't be petty? You think petty is a gender-specific term? |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #152 |
288. If you ever run for public |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #288 |
306. You are enabling ignorance and bigotry and sexism. Dems need less of that, not more. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #306 |
329. You are a slave to your preconcieved opinion and no amount of facts or logic will sway you. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #329 |
341. That almost made sense. You agree with a flawed POV. Great. I call BULLSHIT. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #341 |
373. You have no point of view |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #373 |
378. LOL |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #378 |
392. I am listening to posters |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #392 |
393. Got yer number |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #288 |
400. Thank you so much. I'm a bit past my prime for that level of public service, I think. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #400 |
406. i need to find some time |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #406 |
407. It's easy for me--I have an abundance of time. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
122. I don't see Palin refered to as "Governor Palin" around here much |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-19-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
123. Frankly, I'm not. Have any male senators *never* been called "Sir"?!1 n/t |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
126. I don't see what is wrong with Ma'am |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. BB PREFERS "SENATOR." SAID SO GRACIOUSLY, OFFERED A REASON, "I WORKED HARD TO GET THAT TITLE" |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
134. I support her too. I hate "ma'am." I just can't stand it, and apparently I'm not alone. nt |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
167. If he was also calling male senators sir, this conversation is over |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #167 |
211. Was he? Or did he call them both "Senator" and "Sir." And was she the "Chairperson" |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #167 |
275. Really? Is this so hard to figure out? She asked him to call her "Senator," her official title |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #275 |
398. Of course she has every right to demand to be called only by a title |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
172. Some of us boys like Senator Boxer, too. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
176. "Ma'am" is a title of respect. This outrage is BS |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #176 |
210. The outrage over the Senator making this request is BS. |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
180. All about respect. |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
182. As a progressive woman, I am ashamed of Sen. Boxer's behavior |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
184. As a man so am I |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
190. Ma'am is derogatory now? |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
191. As a woman... |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
200. fwiw. Senator is not a title at all. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #200 |
220. LMAO. That doesn't have anything to do with calling a senator a senator. nt |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #220 |
272. of course! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #200 |
224. LOL. It is a job title, not a title of nobility. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #224 |
270. exactly. (nt) |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #200 |
237. Saying it twice |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #237 |
269. No its President Obama |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #269 |
274. OK, honey........ |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #274 |
278. Yes sweetie |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #278 |
280. No, I'm not toasting you ....... |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #280 |
293. Impressive |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #200 |
401. +1. nt |
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Norwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
207. This is just another example of the PC crowd looking for something to be offended by |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #207 |
209. No one said it was deliberate. She expressed her preference, rightfully so. Read the thread |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #209 |
218. Yes, she expressed her preference |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. All of that is completely false and projected from a point of male insecurity |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #221 |
228. Being a female... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #228 |
235. Senator Boxer made her rightful resquest kindly, respectfully, provided her reason. It's that simple |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. There was nothing |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #238 |
245. If you can't see she was kind and respecful, you think she was an "uppity woman" |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #228 |
324. +1 |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #228 |
402. +1. nt |
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sylvi (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #221 |
333. "aware of his place"? |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #218 |
229. She wasn't bitchy or condescending. nt |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. You see it one way |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. So true. I just don't characterize women in general as "bitchy." nt |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #233 |
236. Nor do I |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #236 |
243. You just did. She WASN'T "bitchy." Saying she was is sexist garbage. Wake up & smell the millennium |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #230 |
240. You want her to flatter him with coquettish behavior, which would have really been condescending |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #218 |
239. Whoa........ |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #239 |
244. Yes, I did see it |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #244 |
250. Oh, so you can glean |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #250 |
258. I've seen Boxer many times |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. "Senator Boxer very politely and gently, almost self-effacingly asked the general for" |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #258 |
265. Right ......... |
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Norwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #209 |
241. I read the thread and watched the video |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #241 |
248. Get used to women speaking and behaving as if they are people and don't have to flirt to communicate |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #248 |
252. Are you that black and white? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #252 |
257. Nice try. She was not a "bitch." She was clear, respectful and entrusted him to handle it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #257 |
260. Deleted message |
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #260 |
262. "She was being a bitch" --------- Welcome to DU. Read the Rules. |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #207 |
234. Exactly |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #234 |
242. What's "sexim"? |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #242 |
247. Left out the second "s" in "sexism" |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #247 |
251. Only when I'm invited to, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #234 |
263. Deleted message |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #207 |
246. Why is it a controversy? I don't get how many people can't handle |
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FLDCVADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. To me |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #249 |
286. Yeah, "politely" and "clearly" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #249 |
311. Okay. Maybe I just can't see what some of you guys are seeing. n/t |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #246 |
259. Yeah, she stood her turf for us with Tubbs-Jones, when our SECOND election was stolen |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
307. ??? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
338. I'm a feminist and I thought that she was rude and petty. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #338 |
340. Did you notice if he also called the male senators, "Senator"? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #340 |
350. He called Vitter "sir". |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #340 |
354. the General called Vitter, Sir |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #354 |
369. Her behavior was absolutely fine. People may not approve it b/c she's female. Doing her job. Senator |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-20-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #338 |
342. That was precisely the idea |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #342 |
351. Maybe, but why bully the guy at all? |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #351 |
353. I won't pretend to get into her mind. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #353 |
356. I agree with you on stereotypes. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #353 |
403. She apologized to the guy for giving him a hard time during his testimony. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #351 |
385. SHE DIDN'T |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #342 |
352. Thank you for expressing the male POV and male paranoia so completely. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #352 |
355. Now, that's funny!!! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #355 |
357. that reply was to someone else |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #357 |
359. Oops, sorry!!! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #359 |
360. It's cool, Beacool. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #352 |
361. huh? I invite you to re-read the post. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #361 |
363. She "chastised a subject to gain" her rightful title, which male senators would not have to do. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #363 |
367. Maybe she wasn't playing that game |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:52 AM Response to Reply #367 |
368. Wow, look at us, we're actually discussing!! |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #368 |
370. Wonders never cease! |
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elmaji (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
358. Use of Ma'am is hardly disrespectful. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
413. As a California Democrat I have license to call Senator Boxer a disgrace to my state and to my party |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #413 |
417. As a California Democrat I have license to support Senator Boxer... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
418. If a Senator asks you to call him or her "Senator", you call the Senator "Senator"... |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #418 |
423. I'll call a Senator whatever I damn well please |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #423 |
446. Good answer! nt |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #423 |
480. Bingo! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #418 |
428. This could also be a matter for DUers to attempt to support her rather than promote RW attack memes. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
420. Yes Maam, whatever you say. |
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DarbyUSMC (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
437. Minchia |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #437 |
443. Senator Boxer is the only senator that challenged the bogus Ohio count in Stolen Election #2 in 2004 |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #443 |
451. Your comments are becoming more refined and polished! N/T |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #451 |
461. Your snap judgements got the best of you |
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Brooklyns_Finest (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
484. Boxer is a joke |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #484 |
486. Your post is a joke |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
494. She's my representative and almost makes up for her counterpart, Diane Feinstein. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #494 |
495. That's a tall order for anyone. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #495 |
497. that's a fact |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #497 |
498. Well if you ever get the chance to lob one without her in the way... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #498 |
500. I'll post it as soon as I make bail. ;) |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #500 |
501. Hell, I'll post your bail! |
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