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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:29 PM
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Kissinger threatens Regime Change in Iran if coup fails..
Source: digg/BBC/youtube

I am not sure if these sources are allowed in the LBN but I found them an interesting facet on current events regarding the Iranian election.



Kissinger: We must work for regime change in Iran


http://digg.com/politics/Kissinger_We_must_work_for_regime_change_in_Iran

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/31333/264/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6k6FO9gah8



Read more: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/31333/264/



LBN mods, if this is not correct protocol please move to the correct forum – abyss.

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:33 PM
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1. Kissinger on US reluctance to intervene in Iran
Former US Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Dr Henry Kissinger talks to Newsnight's Gavin Esler about how Washington would like to see regime change in Iran, but will not actively push for it.

Esler begins by asking Dr Kissinger if the US taking action to bring about regime change is simply not a viable policy in the 21 Century.


video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8107205.stm
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:59 PM
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2. AlphaCentauri - Thank you!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:15 PM
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4. He doesn't know that he is NO LONGER the Sec. of State. Stupid. Arrogant. Stupid.
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 08:15 PM by peacetalksforall
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 06:20 AM
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15. Might not have the title but has been doing the job for years ...
... and still is (IMO) ...
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:29 PM
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27. Get back in your coffin, Dracula!
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:13 PM
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3. I know we can bomb them
Fucking Kissinger such a maggot.:puke: :puke: :puke:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:16 PM
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5. Do we have room for Kissinger, Gingrich, Romney and all the other
wannabes at GITMO now?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:18 PM
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6. He is pushing Obama to call for regime change to justify all his regime changes - all over the world
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 08:20 PM by peacetalksforall
First, if he gets Obama to say what he wants, then he will say that we should bomb - side by side with Israel - just as he pants for.

Just say this, Obama. Good, Now say this, Obama. Read like a book.

President Obama, whatever you do - do not listen to that murderer. Stear clear. Stau clean. It will make a big difference not to intrude.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:34 PM
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7. Why is that fucking Dr Strangelove asshole even in the picture?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:56 PM
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13. Because he's working for Obama these days.
Of course, he's really working for himself and the masters of the Universe, the Bilderbergers, the Global Aristocratic Elite, whatever you want to call them.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:17 PM
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14. Do you mean the lizards?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:03 AM
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17. Yah. Sure. The lizards. You can put your head back in the sand now.
Remember, all official stories told to you by your TV are true.

That is all.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:40 AM
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19. No
I listen to Alex Jones and David Icke, they know EVERYTHING!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:09 PM
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21. Just to make sure...
:sarcasm:
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:45 PM
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8. Who asked him?
Why can't he keep his mouth shut?
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:52 PM
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9. Is it too late
To send Kissinger and Bolton to the Lunar launch?
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:07 PM
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10. Will he PLEASE go AWAY
I am sick and tired of his opinions
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 06:22 AM
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16. He proves the adage that "the good die young".
He is one of the few people on this planet that I would call "Evil".
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:17 PM
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11. do these assholes know that the protestors hate them
the protestors hate Bush, Cheney, Kissinger and eveyr other wingnut out there.

they like Obama.

Iran presidents and mullahs attacking AMerica works when we have shit like wingnuts running it. attacking america doesn't work with Obama as president.

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:19 PM
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25. So, let me ask you something
If the protests don't do the trick and the regime doesn't fall and the protesters ask for US help through the press, what do you think President Obama should do?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:39 PM
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12. Yeah, I can really see him leading the charge
Maybe we can give him a musket.

You go, Henry!!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:36 AM
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18. One word, Henry. Vietnam.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:43 AM
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20. When did the War Criminal start dictating our foreign policy?
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 11:44 AM by librechik
Oh, never mind. When will he stop?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:10 PM
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22. We should send him to Iran then, since he's so eager about regime change there.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:14 PM
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23. You know, whenever I face a dilemma I always ask myself...
What would the biggest FAILURES in history do in this situation? Of course I then do the opposite of that. Thanks for the help in that regard Henry.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:16 PM
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24. threaten all you want henry, and bring me back a persian rug, please.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:25 PM
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26. The Neo-Con plan to remake the ME originated with Kissinger
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 12:26 PM by Stephanie


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2003/03/thirty-year-itch

The Thirty-Year Itch

Three decades ago, in the throes of the energy crisis, Washington's hawks conceived of a strategy for US control of the Persian Gulf's oil. Now, with the same strategists firmly in control of the White House, the Bush administration is playing out their script for global dominance.
—By Robert Dreyfuss

March/April 2003 Issue

If you were to spin the globe and look for real estate critical to building an American empire, your first stop would have to be the Persian Gulf. The desert sands of this region hold two of every three barrels of oil in the world -- Iraq's reserves alone are equal, by some estimates, to those of Russia, the United States, China, and Mexico combined. For the past 30 years, the Gulf has been in the crosshairs of an influential group of Washington foreign-policy strategists, who believe that in order to ensure its global dominance, the United States must seize control of the region and its oil. Born during the energy crisis of the 1970s and refined since then by a generation of policymakers, this approach is finding its boldest expression yet in the Bush administration -- which, with its plan to invade Iraq and install a regime beholden to Washington, has moved closer than any of its predecessors to transforming the Gulf into an American protectorate.

In the geopolitical vision driving current U.S. policy toward Iraq, the key to national security is global hegemony -- dominance over any and all potential rivals. To that end, the United States must not only be able to project its military forces anywhere, at any time. It must also control key resources, chief among them oil -- and especially Gulf oil. To the hawks who now set the tone at the White House and the Pentagon, the region is crucial not simply for its share of the U.S. oil supply (other sources have become more important over the years), but because it would allow the United States to maintain a lock on the world's energy lifeline and potentially deny access to its global competitors. The administration "believes you have to control resources in order to have access to them," says Chas Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia under the first President Bush. "They are taken with the idea that the end of the Cold War left the United States able to impose its will globally -- and that those who have the ability to shape events with power have the duty to do so. It's ideology."

Iraq, in this view, is a strategic prize of unparalleled importance. Unlike the oil beneath Alaska's frozen tundra, locked away in the steppes of central Asia, or buried under stormy seas, Iraq's crude is readily accessible and, at less than $1.50 a barrel, some of the cheapest in the world to produce. Already, over the past several months, Western companies have been meeting with Iraqi exiles to try to stake a claim to that bonanza.

But while the companies hope to cash in on an American-controlled Iraq, the push to remove Saddam Hussein hasn't been driven by oil executives, many of whom are worried about the consequences of war. Nor are Vice President Cheney and President Bush, both former oilmen, looking at the Gulf simply for the profits that can be earned there. The administration is thinking bigger, much bigger, than that.

"Controlling Iraq is about oil as power, rather than oil as fuel," says Michael Klare, professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and author of Resource Wars. "Control over the Persian Gulf translates into control over Europe, Japan, and China. It's having our hand on the spigot."

Ever since the oil shocks of the 1970s, the United States has steadily been accumulating military muscle in the Gulf by building bases, selling weaponry, and forging military partnerships. Now, it is poised to consolidate its might in a place that will be a fulcrum of the world's balance of power for decades to come. At a stroke, by taking control of Iraq, the Bush administration can solidify a long-running strategic design. "It's the Kissinger plan," says James Akins, a former U.S. diplomat. "I thought it had been killed, but it's back."

Akins learned a hard lesson about the politics of oil when he served as a U.S. envoy in Kuwait and Iraq, and ultimately as ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the oil crisis of 1973 and '74. At his home in Washington, D.C., shelves filled with Middle Eastern pottery and other memorabilia cover the walls, souvenirs of his years in the Foreign Service. Nearly three decades later, he still gets worked up while recalling his first encounter with the idea that the United States should be prepared to occupy Arab oil-producing countries.

In 1975, while Akins was ambassador in Saudi Arabia, an article headlined "Seizing Arab Oil" appeared in Harper's. The author, who used the pseudonym Miles Ignotus, was identified as "a Washington-based professor and defense consultant with intimate links to high-level U.S. policymakers." The article outlined, as Akins puts it, "how we could solve all our economic and political problems by taking over the Arab oil fields bringing in Texans and Oklahomans to operate them." Simultaneously, a rash of similar stories appeared in other magazines and newspapers. "I knew that it had to have been the result of a deep background briefing," Akins says. "You don't have eight people coming up with the same screwy idea at the same time, independently.

"Then I made a fatal mistake," Akins continues. "I said on television that anyone who would propose that is either a madman, a criminal, or an agent of the Soviet Union." Soon afterward, he says, he learned that the background briefing had been conducted by his boss, then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Akins was fired later that year.


Kissinger has never acknowledged having planted the seeds for the article. But in an interview with Business Week that same year, he delivered a thinly veiled threat to the Saudis, musing about bringing oil prices down through "massive political warfare against countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran to make them risk their political stability and maybe their security if they did not cooperate."

In the 1970s, America's military presence in the Gulf was virtually nil, so the idea of seizing control of its oil was a pipe dream. Still, starting with the Miles Ignotus article, and a parallel one by conservative strategist and Johns Hopkins University professor Robert W. Tucker in Commentary, the idea began to gain favor among a feisty group of hardline, pro-Israeli thinkers, especially the hawkish circle aligned with Democratic senators Henry Jackson of Washington and Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York.

Eventually, this amalgam of strategists came to be known as "neoconservatives," and they played important roles in President Reagan's Defense Department and at think tanks and academic policy centers in the 1980s. Led by Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's influential Defense Policy Board, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, they now occupy several dozen key posts in the White House, the Pentagon, and the State Department. At the top, they are closest to Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who have been closely aligned since both men served in the White House under President Ford in the mid-1970s. They also clustered around Cheney when he served as secretary of defense during the Gulf War in 1991.

Throughout those years, and especially after the Gulf War, U.S. forces have steadily encroached on the Gulf and the surrounding region, from the Horn of Africa to Central Asia. In preparing for an invasion and occupation of Iraq, the administration has been building on the steps taken by military and policy planners over the past quarter century.

==more==

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:29 PM
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28.  US neo-cons sniff a chance - Asia Times
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF20Ak01.html


WASHINGTON - As United States President Barack Obama attempts to navigate the treacherous currents of the ongoing political crisis in Iran, he faces a heated attack from neo-conservatives and other right-wing hawks who are urging him both to offer unequivocal support to the protesters supporting defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi and to scuttle his planned diplomatic engagement with Tehran.

So far, Obama's cautious stance has earned praise from Iranian activists, area experts and much of the Washington foreign-policy establishment, who warn that an enthusiastic US embrace of the protesters would threaten to delegitimize them.

"What happens in Iran regards the people themselves, and it is up to them to make their voices heard," Nobel Peace Prize-winning Iranian human-rights activist Shirin Ebadi told the Washington Post on Thursday. "I respect comments on all the events in Iran, but I think it is sufficient."

Still, the right-wing attacks have put a great deal of political pressure on the president to take a more activist stance, and may pave the way for a domestic political backlash against him if the Iranian government ultimately represses the protesters and keeps hardline President Mahmud Ahmadinejad in place after he won a disputed term for another four years.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 12:42 PM
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29. What's this "we", you fucking war criminal?
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