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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 04:02 PM
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Zeke, Rahm, Ari Emanuel, new HBO series, phasing out Medicare, VAT, and the power in DC
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 04:59 PM by madfloridian
There is already an HBO about Ari Emanuel and his power in Hollywood. Haven't heard much about this new one coming up devloped by Zeke and Ari...guess it will give Zeke Emanuel a vehicle for his health care views. Very interesting, and a very powerful family.

ABC News and Zeke and Ari

Zeke is working in the White House as a major health advisor to Orszag and Obama.

Emanuel is also working with his youngest brother, Ari Emanuel, the inspiration for Hollywood superagent Ari Gold's character in the HBO series "Entourage." They are developing a new television show for HBO about medical ethical issues.

"I've worked with both brothers, the Hollywood brother and Rahm," Emanuel said, "and while you're growing up and you love your brothers and know they're both at the top of their field, sometimes you wonder what makes them good. I don't know Hollywood. I didn't know politics at all. But once you see them in action, I really understand what makes them so, so, so successful."


Successful they are indeed. They do have the power.

Zeke manages to get his views heard. Here is more about his health care plan.

Emanuel has advocated scrapping employer-based health care coverage, outlining his plan in his 2008 book "Healthcare, Guaranteed: A Simple, Secure Solution for America."

Under Emanuel's plan, Medicare and Medicaid would be phased out, and all Americans would be given a voucher that could be exchanged for medical coverage, funded by a value-added tax.

It's a plan that goes much farther than anything advocated by President Obama, who has proposed a more incremental approach, setting aside $634 billion as a down payment toward universal coverage and expanding subsidies to make coverage more affordable.


There is another strong article at The New Republic about the power of Zeke Emanuel and his role in the White House now along side his brother, Rahm, who is Chief of Staff.

Zeke's Anatomy

Emanuel is officially "Special Advisor for Health Policy," and his ambiguous place in (or, rather, outside) the OMB bureaucracy can create minor strains. His memos don't always swim through the normal channels, but they have a knack for finding Orszag's desk.

..."But, perhaps not surprisingly, Emanuel digs deepest into his healthy reserve of enthusiasm for the parts of the plan that dovetail with his own ideas. At the top of this list is a so-called insurance exchange--a regulated market in which people who lack coverage through their employer (and maybe people who work at small companies, though that's still being negotiated) could choose from a variety of private plans, which would offer at least a minimum level of benefits and could not discriminate by health status. "He's a key thinker on the exchange. How it operates. How it interacts with insurance market reform," says the administration official.

On the one hand, the exchange is absolutely central to the Obama plan--it's how the uninsured get covered. So it's worth having Emanuel's considerable brainpower on the problem. On the other hand, one can imagine a future in which the employer-based system gradually withers away, leaving everyone to purchase insurance on the exchange. Though Emanuel scrupulously avoids such discussions, it's hard to believe the thought has never occurred to him.

.."The weekend we spoke, The New York Times Magazine had published a long piece about White House legislative strategy on health care. I asked who from the administration was likely to hammer out the final shape of the package on Capitol Hill. Rahm and Phil Schiliro, the chief White House congressional lobbyist, seemed like a lock, I said. So did Orszag and Nancy-Ann DeParle, the health care czar.


It worries me that Zeke Emanuel is also advising Peter Orszag on how to finance the health care solutions using a national tax.

Still, Orszag has hired a prominent VAT advocate to advise him on health care: Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and author of the 2008 book "Health Care, Guaranteed." Meanwhile, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul A. Volcker, chairman of a task force Obama assigned to study the tax system, has expressed at least tentative support for a VAT.

"Everybody who understands our long-term budget problems understands we're going to need a new source of revenue, and a VAT is an obvious candidate," said Leonard Burman, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, who testified on Capitol Hill this month about his own VAT plan. "It's common to the rest of the world, and we don't have it."


They vary from 10% to 25% on the national tax.

What would it cost? Emanuel argues in his book that a 10 percent VAT would pay for every American not entitled to Medicare or Medicaid to enroll in a health plan with no deductibles and minimal copayments. In his 2008 book, "100 Million Unnecessary Returns," Yale law professor Michael J. Graetz estimates that a VAT of 10 to 14 percent would raise enough money to exempt families earning less than $100,000 -- about 90 percent of households -- from the income tax and would lower rates for everyone else.

And in a paper published last month in the Virginia Tax Review, Burman suggests that a 25 percent VAT could do it all: Pay for health-care reform, balance the federal budget and exempt millions of families from the income tax while slashing the top rate to 25 percent. A gallon of milk would jump from $3.69 to $4.61, and a $5,000 bathroom renovation would suddenly cost $6,250, but the nation's debt would stabilize and everybody could see a doctor.


And while we are discussing such a thing they are protesting in Manila against just such a tax on food, begging it be removed.


Demonstrators called for a suspension of value-added tax on food in Manila last year. Such a tax is attracting real interest among U.S. policymakers. (By Romeo Gacad -- Agence France-presse Via Getty Images)
VAT gets fresh look


And while nearly the same people have power who had power for years, those who support getting away from the private sector to a type of public option are battling amongst themselves. Hard to make a difference that way.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:11 PM
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1. I have never seen a more smoothly oiled media machine...
than that of the Emanuel family. "Zeke's Anatomy" gives such high praise and so does the ABC piece.

Totally amazing.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:21 PM
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2. So why is this any different than any Milton Friedman economics failed
nightmare? That's all it is is Chicago school economics, which has failed everywhere it has been tried. Any economists with any credits behind them should start denouncing this system loudly and clearly and send it back to the lunatic fringe where it once was. This was why I wasn't on the movie star bandwagon with Obama to begin with and it looks like my fears have been born out. However, next to grandpa and the barracuda, we had to vote for him.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 09:24 PM
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6. A question
Are Axelrod and Gibbs Chicago folks also?

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:33 PM
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7. You tell me. I'm more interested in what I have seen and read
about les frerers Emmanuel, whom strictly seem to like the Chicago School of economics, by Milton Friedman. My mother's country has suffered immeasurably because of this coo coo ideology.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:42 PM
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8. I think they are, but would have to look it up to verify.
Lots of hometown folks involved.

I am not happy at all the Emanuels in the WH.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 11:50 PM
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10. Axelrod a Chicago guy. Gibbs started with Obama in 2004 I think.
after being with Kerry and leaving when Jim Jordan got fired.

Gibbs is well-known for a group he led and a very famous ad.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/02/obama_spokesman_under_scrutiny.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:50 PM
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24. The ad
The ad about a dangerous world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DqOwP3Xzc

The group:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0306-04.htm

"On November 7, 2003, a strange new group no one had ever heard of called "Americans for Jobs & Healthcare" was quietly formed and soon thereafter began running a million dollar operation including political ads against then-frontrunner Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean. The commercials ripped Dean over his positions or past record on gun rights, trade and Medicare growth. But the most inflammatory ad used the visual image of Osama bin Laden as a way to raise questions about Dean's foreign policy credibility. While the spots ran, Americans for Jobs”through its then-spokesman, Robert Gibbs, a former Kerry campaign employee”refused to disclose its donors."

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:53 PM
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19. And I am thinking lately that the Chicago School of Economics'
Philosophy would have been actively opposed in that country, and never implemented, if people had not been rounded up and disappeared as the instigators sought to put it in place.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 09:06 PM
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37. Can Anyone Say "FairTax?" Not Exactly The Same Thing But These Klowns Want To Save Rich Folks From:
INCOME TAXES! VAT would still act something like the FAIRTAX in that the lower income folks still SPEND most of their income and thus proportionate to income... would PAY MORE TAXES!

These bastards are SUPPOSED TO BE ... on OUR side????

What friggin School of NEPOTISM did these bastards go to?

Rahm and the rest of these RIGHT WING Z-MEN Need to go find a job w/ the Republicans 'cause this was not what I voted for!

Who needs right wing repubs when we got these klowns?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:50 PM
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18. Granpa and the barricuda... LOL I just hope that
You are not planning to visit Alaska any time soon.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:22 PM
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3. Why are they so successful?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:29 PM
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4. Isn't Ari Gold a pop singer?
n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 05:51 PM
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5. He's an agent for talent...
Edited on Fri Jun-19-09 05:51 PM by madfloridian
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:58 PM
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9. 130 countries around the world
have some form of VAT.

It's an idea worth exploring, IMO - just because one of the Emanuel brothers thinks it's a good idea doesn't automatically mean it's not...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 01:27 AM
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11. No, the fact that it is another regressive tax that burdens the poor far more
than the not-poor and is insignificant to he wealthy makes it a bad idea.


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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 09:53 AM
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12. it doesn't have to be regressive
One of the examples provided in the article is kind of absurd - that of taxing a gallon of milk. Most countries that have a VAT do not tax basic foodstuffs. The tax could be directed at luxury items. The article does point out that a VAT could be made more progressive by being targeted in this way.

130 other countries have made some form of VAT work for them - to dismiss it in the knee jerk fashion you have done is overly simplistic, IMO.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:36 AM
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14. It's an idea that the Republicans love because it taxes expenses regardless
Edited on Sat Jun-20-09 11:40 AM by Cleita
of a food exemption. Rich people don't spend enough to make it worth while. Taxing their wealth would be more effective being that they own 90% of everything according to some stats I have read. Also, many rich people have figured out a way not to pay VAT by setting up dummy corporations that enable them to buy wholesale and it's legal.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:45 PM
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26. you would have a hard time arguing
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 02:45 PM by paulk
that the 130 countries that have some form of VAT are controlled by conservatives.

ed for sp.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:21 PM
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16. Recall the luxury tax imposed in the 80s? The resulting tales of woe
about the poor workers in the yacht building industry was all we heard about until the tax was rescinded. The parasites will not allow anything but a regressive tax to stand. IOW, we've been here before and failed. The problem with all these schemes is the underlying agenda and a lack of leadership.

Simply labeling everything with your off-the-self derision is not an argument. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me a hundred times and I'm just an idiot begging for more abuse.


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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 06:57 PM
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20. whatever
back on "ignore" you go
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:16 PM
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29. Oh no! Well I will continue to read and reply to your nonsense.
Besides, I'm still not completely tired of writing "I told you so".
:rofl:


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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:02 PM
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21. In Canada,when you do your income tax returns when
lower income people will automatically get a quarterly check,estimating how much they would have spent on the GST (our version of VAT).
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 12:49 AM
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30. What is Canada's income tax rate, and is the rebate 100% of the GST paid? n/t
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:03 AM
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35. Income is progressive,the more you make,the higher your income tax bracket.
The rebate is some sort of formula,I don't know how well it works,but I'm sure it's not 100%.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:55 AM
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31. Exempt food and the VAT is not that regressive.
VAT taxes are popular in Europe. They do have an advantage over corporate income tax in that goods manufactured in foreign companies are taxed just as are goods manufactured in the country that imposes the tax at the point of sale. So, VAT is a useful tax provided it is not imposed on necessities such as food, healthcare, housing and other things we can't live without -- maybe heat and lighting. This would help bring jobs back to the U.S. because it would relieve the unfair tax advantage that companies have when they produce their products and take a portion of their products overseas. They would not be able to hide profits from the IRS so easily.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:25 AM
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13. I disagree with their assessment of pricing
If business could get out from under the HUGE burden of Health Care Insurance for employees, which is about fifteen percent, then prices for things such as milk could come down considerably and employees could even get paid more. I believe it would almost be a wash down the road. I am not saying I favor a Sales tax, just that what resulted from such might be more positive then what they suggest.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:38 AM
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15. In some states there is no VAT but there is property tax to make up for it.
Taxing wealth instead of taxing the poor for what they have to spend is a better idea. I wish all states adopted it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:57 AM
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32. VAT os better than property taxes because VAT is imposed on
products that are imported. It is a way of evening out the tax advantage that companies enjoy when they produce products and take a good portion of their profits overseas.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:18 AM
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22. I guess we have to do something, but taxing everyday needs...
will only penalize the poor and those already in need.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:01 PM
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28. strange that WaPo ran that photo from Manila, since most
foodtuffs (except for imported meats) are exempt from Phillipines VAT.

http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno7716.htm

Most countries with a VAT do not tax everyday needs - and some, like Canada - as pointed out by another poster in this thread, give refunds to those of low income.

A nationwide VAT is an idea worth exploring, IMO - and there are plenty of others, besides Mr Emanuel, who feel that way also...


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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:20 PM
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25. Bandit, please give me some examples of basic commodity prices falling when some
type of tax or expense was removed from business. I am very skeptical that this will happen--or has ever happened before. But I'm willing to be educated.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 07:54 AM
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34. It happens almost daily
Take the cost of fuel for example. When it rose so high last year prices on goods folowed, when it came down prices came down as well. Business usually operates on a Profit Margin formula say 25% or so. If a major expense is eliminated the Pricing structure is revisited and adjusted as well. It may not happen the very next day but it does indeed happen.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:49 PM
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17. Sound like sooner or later they will get around to a 95% VAT.
Just think of what that one could do!
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:16 AM
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23. Fuck all the Emmanuels
They were all born on third base and think they hit triples. Willamette Illinois, their hometown is one of the richest towns in the country. They are corporate tools who think the mythical free market will fix everything. And Obama obviously buys into this University of Chicago school of economic bullshit.

This asinine approach is what has brought us to the present day disaster, and it is what is going to intensify our financial disaster into a catastrophe.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:51 PM
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27. These people are the Democrats answer to Karl Rove.
And Lee Atwater. They need to just go away permanently before they ruin everything.

It's just a big game to them. Never mind that they are ruining peoples' lives. I hate these people so much.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 06:19 AM
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33. ask any liberal or progressive in rahm`s old district-
he`s a republican that had to run as a democrat. he was corrupt then as he is now.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 10:11 AM
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36. Wow - someone should tell the President
He's one of Rahm Emmanuel's closest friends. I wonder who he's "really" working for.
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