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Sat Jun-20-09 07:46 PM
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Sat Jun-20-09 07:51 PM
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1. Why don't we see any war protests like that second to last image? Same war. |
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Sat Jun-20-09 08:27 PM
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7. Where do you live? I matched in many here, but the news did not cover them. |
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Sun Jun-21-09 12:54 AM
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12. They never do. There are protesters outside of the White House almost EVERY DAY! |
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Granted the numbers are smaller now, they don't cover anything.
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Sat Jun-20-09 07:57 PM
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3. And that people powered death and we still cant get shit right |
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sigh.
Anyone have any hope?
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Sat Jun-20-09 08:01 PM
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"Today in Alternate History" isn't something I would cite as a source...
"In 1950 President Harry S. Truman announced a program to develop the hydrogen bomb. Agonisingly, the perverse result of the 1952 presidential race resulted in his passage of the technology to President-elect Douglas MacArthur, a megalomaniac who he had dismissed for requesting thirty to fifty nuclear strikes in Manchuria to reach a decision in the Korean War."
See what I mean :)
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Sat Jun-20-09 08:04 PM
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But it's a nice picture of the Russian Revolution, don't you think?
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Sat Jun-20-09 11:00 PM
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Nostalgia Chick: "And the Revolution was led by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, not Rasputin - *phone rings* ...Hello? Vladimir Lenin: "Yes, hi. I mean to give correction." NC: "Oh! Hi! uh, it's Lenin." VL: "Yes, I believe you're thinking of February Revolution?" NC: "I'm sorry?" VL: "You see, I lead October Revolution. The Romanov were overthrown during February Revolution." NC: "Ooooh. Jesus. How many of those things did you guys have?" VL: "Well... Is Russia. We usually have them on Tuesdays, right before bingo and, eh, shuffleboard."
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Sun Jun-21-09 12:43 AM
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11. It's the one between the Boxer Rebellion and the Proclamation of the Irish Republic |
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Sun Jun-21-09 12:32 PM
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13. Well, I meant which Russian revolution... |
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With an obscure joke thrown in.
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Sat Jun-20-09 08:08 PM
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6. seems to involve lots of violence |
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"Although most of the revolutions were quickly put down, there was a significant amount of violence in many areas, with tens of thousands of people tortured and killed. While the immediate political effects of the revolutions were reversed, the long-term reverberations of the events were far-reaching."
Wiki on the 1848 revolutions.
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Sat Jun-20-09 10:44 PM
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8. These things tend to be violent |
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One side or the other, usually both, resort to violence.
Imperialism is violence, in and of itself. Tyranny is violence, in and of itself.
This is why Khomanei was incorrect yesterday. The responsibility for any violence rests not with the Iranian people, but with him.
Iran needs no supreme leader, nor does any other nation.
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Sat Jun-20-09 11:22 PM
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10. On that note, though... |
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How many violent revolutions have actually brought power to the people?
The French revolution led to the term "reign of Terror" being coined, for good reason. From the chaos rose an absolute despot who waged war against pretty much every nation in Europe, and the institution of a new aristocracy with him.
The Haitian revolution resulted in a military takeover, and had reverberations across slaveholding states and territories i nthe US - fear of a Haitian-style slave revolt led to further crackdowns on free blacks and increased oppression against enslaved blacks. Haiti was forced to pay grossly inflated reparations, and has been the western hemisphere's most impoverished country ever since, even as it is the second-oldest Democracy in the world.
The many European revolutions in 1848 ultimately produced nothing but dead bodies and increased power among the aristocracy and military of the affected nations and kingdoms.
The Boxer rebellion was not a "power to the people movement" but was a violent reactionary attack against the foreign powers in China. It was a "rebellion" in the eyes of the British, but what it actually was was an attempt to reassert the absolute authority of the Qing dynasty emperor. To do so the "rebels" pretty much massacred anyone with white skin or who was a Christian that they could lay their hands on. The rebellion was ultimately crushed and weakened the Qing dynasty considerably - it would collapse 13 years later.
The Russian Revolutions of 1917... Jesus. Do I need to go into those?
The Éirí Amach na Cásca was a spectacular failure, because the bulk of Dubliners actually sympathized with the British for that one. Again all that happened were people were killed and injured and an oppressive presence was strengthened.
And the 1979 uprising against the Shah in Iran resulted in the institution of a military theocracy, and well over a million dead due to the war with Iraq.
So tell me. Thirty years after the deposition of the Shah and the rise of the Mullahs, what do you think violent protest in Iran is going to produce?
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