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TexasTrue Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:58 AM
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Whores on Terror: Never mind the waterboarding, here's the sodomy
"Yasser tearfully described that when he reached the top of the steps 'the party began…They started to put the of the rifle the wood from the broom into . They entered my privates from behind.'...Yasser estimated that he was penetrated five or six times during this initial sodomy incident and saw blood 'all over my feet' through a small hole in the hood covering his eyes."

–Physicians for Human Rights, Broken Laws, Broken Lives: Medical Evidence of Torture by US Personnel and Its Impact

Waterboarding. It’s all we seem to discuss when comes to American torture. Whenever you see people discussing "enhanced interrogation" on your TV, chances are they’ll be throwing around the same tired arguments, all revoling around waterboarding. Why, of all the things we’ve done to our suspected (and not-so-suspected) terrorist detainees, is waterboarding the issue? Why confine the rapidly dwindling debate to that single technique? We’ve engaged in a lot of other practices that qualify universally as torture. Are sleep deprivation or "Palestinian hanging" not controversial enough? Is solitary confinement too mundane?

How about sodomy? Is that something we consider unremarkable?

"This is highly consistent with the events Amir described, including a traumatic injury and subsequent scarring process. Examination of the peri-anal area showed signs of rectal tearing that are highly consistent with his report of having been sodomized with a broomstick."

–Physicians for Human Rights

That’s right, sodomy. Forcible anal penetration. The documentation of this and other forms of sexual humiliation is too extensive to be denied or pawned off on a couple of redneck privates. And we know now that sexual humiliation techniques were among those discussed and approved by the National Security Principals Committee, a White House group including Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, George Tenet, and John "History will not judge this kindly" Ashcroft.

I don’t want to come off as minimizing the horror of controlled drowning. It’s just that there’s something about forcible anal rape that brings the torture issue into sharp focus. Just once, I’d like to hear one of these American Enterprise Institute psychos, the ones that always trot out to defend the Neocons’ freakish obsessions, have to defend shoving a flashlight up a guy’s ass. I want to hear Frank Gaffney or Jonah Goldberg tell me why I shouldn’t be fucking mortified that raping prisoners was considered within tolerable interrogation practices by my country. I want Glenn Beck to justify butt-raping a suspect.

The next time I hear some idiot refer to Jack Bauer in defense of torture, I want to ask him what he thinks of Jack Bauer rogering terrorists with a broomstick. You’ve never seen that in the hours of not-so-subtle pro-torture TV drama we’ve seen since 2001, have you? Never saw Andy Sipowicz cornhole a skell on NYPD blue? Or Michael Chiklis on The Shield making a suspect drink his pee? Me neither. Something tells me that might have hurt their ratings.

"He also recalled having been forced to wear soiled underwear, often for weeks or months at a time. 'I had diarrhea and I was in handcuffs. I was making my toilet in my underwear and I was very dirty. That was very painful.' ...When he asked to see the doctor he was told that 'we brought a medicine to you.’ Laith explains that, in fact, 'They brought to me bottles urine and told me if you do not drink these now we will bring your mother and sisters. Because I was hearing the voices of women and children, I drank it. I was in handcuffs and they poured the urine and sometimes I vomited from that but when I vomited they kept on pouring on my head … I died at that time.' He said that he was forced to drink urine from the soldiers on eleven different occasions."

–Physicians for Human Rights

The key to winning the debate on torture is to eradicate any illusions about just what this was, which is sick, twisted, and freakish beyond any usefulness in gathering information. And it becomes very clear in the light of a rectally inserted lightstick. Raise the specter of White House-authorized sexual abuse, and anyone who doesn’t shrink away from defending it will be doomed to be remembered as the guy who defended ass-rape and forced urine-drinking, which is the very least an American should suffer for trying to justify brutally raping prisoners.

But no one will pull the trigger. Even as more proof is revealed, nobody seems to mention the sodomy. The torture debate is limited to waterboarding alone. Why? Forget the 48 photos Obama has flipped on releasing (like the putz he’s turned out to be). There are known photos—you can see them at Salon.com—of a female prisoner being raped, and a male. Not to mention the kinky naked slave-stacking and forced masturbation--and the prisoner with a banana up his ass.

We blared Metallica at them 24 hours a day while they shat themselves, chained to the floor. We kept them in coffin-sized boxes for hours on end. We hung them from the ceiling. We made them jack each other off. We beat some of them to death. Many have lost their minds. Some these people were guilty of nothing but being in Afghanistan or Iraq and being swept up as part of an intelligence “mosaic.”

"Perhaps most important are the anal scars that were observed. Not only are these scars highly consistent with anal trauma (i.e., as would result from forced sodomy or penetration with an object), these scars are in a location where accidental injuries would not occur."

–Physicians for Human Rights

The inevitable dunderhead response, "they beheaded our people," is a sickness unto itself. From Abu Ghraib to Gitmo, we’ve suffered countless such humiliating comparisons, judging ourselves by the lowest standards current events can offer. Sorry, but it is not enough to say we aren’t as bad as Saddam Hussein or the scumbags that killed Daniel Pearl. The very idea that we should measure our own conduct by theirs is a total failure of self-respect. Only the worst kind of scumbag can excuse himself by saying, "I’m incrementally better than the Taliban."

"These brainstorming meetings at Guantanamo produced animated discussion. 'Who has the glassy eyes?' Beaver asked herself as she surveyed the men around the room, thirty or more of them. She was invariably the only woman in the room, keeping control of the boys. The younger men would get excited, agitated, even: 'You could almost see their dicks getting hard as they got new ideas.' "

–Phillipe Sands, Torture Team: Rumsfeld’s Memo and the Betrayal of American Values

What’s so sick about it is that the sexual nature of the torture seems so unnecessary. I mean, even if we were going to torture them, we could have stuck to waterboarding, pulling some fingernails or just beating the shit out of them. But menstrual blood smeared on their faces? Ass rape? What kind of people do that? What possible purpose does that serve that outweighs becoming known as the country that ass-rapes people? We couldn’t get enough answers, or false confessions, or whatever we were looking for, from regular brutality? We had to go all BDSM on these people?

The upshot is this: America is the country that rapes its prisoners. We’re sex criminals. That’s our thing now. And Obama’s refusal to "look back," i.e. prosecute these incredibly serious crimes, ensures that it’s our permanent legacy. No national reputation can survive this simply by shrugging it off. We used to be seen as a bastion of freedom and decency around the world. That shit is over, folks. We’re like the Soviet Union with better movies now. When we talk about human rights, we are an international joke.

And when we talk about torture, we stick to waterboarding, because nobody, not even the "liberals," are willing to face what we’ve done.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/22497
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:16 AM
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1. I can't recommend this highly enough.
:cry:

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:17 AM
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2. k/r
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:19 AM
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3. kick
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:20 AM
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4. Welcome to DU, TexasTrue.
And to answer your question from another thread, no, it's not always like this here.

:hi:
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:30 AM
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5. A good occasion to feel ashamed. What those people did IN OUR NAMES.


No, no, no, no! Not even my worst enemies! Not even Satan himself! NO, no, no! WRONG; WRONG; WRONG!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:05 AM
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6. Kinda scary that the Crisco Kidd turned out to be the sane one.
When he wasn't out strangling cats in the night.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 06:44 AM
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7. War crimes....we became the terrorists. Not in my name, is right.
These atrocities scream for accountability.

K & R
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 06:48 AM
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8. knr
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:17 AM
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9. kicking in fury. . .
It can't be ignored.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:25 AM
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10. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C said it best over five years ago
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main616338.shtml

May 7, 2004

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.

Notice there was never any followup questions from our liberal media about this? Not one.

Like who was being raped and murdered and who was doing the raping and murdering?

Not even Frank Rich would dare ask that question. That is why we are all screwed. We don't have a free media. Government owned from top to bottom. Some people just don't want to admit it.

Don
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:11 PM
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40. May I suggest that the media is not government owned but
that just like the media the government is corporate owned.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:38 AM
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11. Oh my dear lord. This needs at least 300 recs and to remain kicked until the RIGHT
criminals are in jail. Thanks for posting this.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:19 AM
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15. +1 n/t
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:05 AM
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12. OMFG
:cry:

Thank you - and welcome to DU.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:12 AM
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13. K&R
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:14 AM
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14. K&R
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:34 AM
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16. America will never be right again...
until everyone responsible for this is brought to justice. According to Sy Hersh, they also sodomized children to get their parents to talk. I will never be proud of my country again until this issue is settled. K&R
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:54 AM
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17. Even here on DU there are people who never miss an opportunity to make prison rape "jokes"
whenever someone is going to be incarcerated. I think this sort of desensitizing makes some people think that certain other people "deserve" to be raped. I personally don't think rape is humorous in any context and that the prevalence of it that seems to exists in our detention systems is "cruel and unusual" punishment.

Why do we suddenly hear all these weird stories of high school athletes brutally bullying and abusing targets with objects? This acceptance of these practices has filtered down to adolescents somehow.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:55 AM
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24. Last I heard, long ago, 280,000 male-on-male rapes in prison every year --
and imagine much more.

This is the right-wing in action and I've never seen them pass up a situation to exploit

another human being. Heaven knows what is really going on in our prisons -- torture is

something that prisoners mention. Drugs, gun-running . . . prisons as a way to supply

new victims for sexual abuse?

This is the madness of patriarchy -- and its homphobia - it's hatred for women.

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:34 AM
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18. These would be crimes on every nation on earth, in every state and town.
Anyone who perpetrated these acts as well as those who ordered and condoned them should be prosecuted and jailed.

What is so difficult about that concept to understand?

Why do we have bipartisan coverup of rape?

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops with demonstrations at the offices of every single official who knew about this and closed their eyes, too.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:37 AM
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19. Some here do not seem to understand
that these are not secrets. We've already been outed. Pretending it didn't happen is not an option. Attempting to do so now will neither save lives, nor make our nation more secure.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:34 AM
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54. But it will soothe our conscience!
:hide:
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:46 AM
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20. This is needed - you are needed. Welcome. I can say not more. K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:53 AM
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21. This is what you see with the rise of the right . . . sexual perversions . . .
it's a continuation of patriarchy's violent and suicidal instincts --

And thank you for having written this -- there's been a big gap in this coverage --
and a big gap in the information the public is getting.

Also, the "penis cuttings" . . .

Patriarchy is an illness --

and it gives license to all right-wing perversions.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:29 PM
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31. Patriarchy
Is obviously not the ideal structure for government, but to say it has suicidal instincts, that it is an illness, and that it gives license to all right-wing perversions is (at least) bombastic and (at worst) misandrious.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:25 PM
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48. You don't see patriarchy as suicidal?
How else would you describe the overturning by violence of the majority gender
on the planet?

And why would one half of our species do such a thing --- ??

Out of hatred -- or out of self-loathing?

Do you deny patriarchy's war on nature?

Further -- organized patriarchal religion is the underpinning for patriarchy --
it's own invention of a "god" which proclaims males superior, females "inferior."

I'm sure you'll recall organized patriarchal religion's "Manifest Destiny" and
"Man's Dominion Over Nature" . . . ?? These are the license for the elite to exploit
nature, natural resources, animal-life -- and even other human beings according to
various myths of inferiority.

Recall the Papal Bulls which permitted the genocide against the native American

Recall the Papal Bulls which permitted the ensalvement of the African in America --
or their deaths.

Maybe it's patriarchy's violence you want to deny?



Capitalism is simply another tool of patriarchy --
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:55 AM
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50. Well, since there isn't an example
of a true matriarchal society to show us all how well such a form would function, I can almost understand how you could convince yourself that all of the evils of the world are caused by patriarchies.

Actually, assuming that since patriarchies suffer wars, slavery, and other societal ills, that these ills are CAUSED by patriarchs, is as fallacious as assuming that since B follows A, A causes B.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:53 AM
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22. On this subject I say to hell with what Obama is doing
Maybe Spain will speak for decency and human rights. Because we've given up that right.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 07:09 AM
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60. WTF can Spain do to us?
I support their claim but we are essentially international outlaws already.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:55 AM
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23. Stop the Cover Up
I too would like to see the Frank Gaffney's and Glenn Beck's of the world defend the bondage and S & M torture that we did to defenseless prisoners under our control. But, until the entire truth of what occurred is widely publicized we all know that they would just say that it was only a few "bad apples" who did this and far too many people would believe them. In my view Obama is doing great damage to our country by covering up the crimes. The American people need to know exactly what was done in our names so that people like Cheney, Gaffney & Beck can no longer get away with fooling people about what happened and can no longer have any influence upon future policies. They need to be exposed for the pathetic creatures that they are.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:57 AM
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25. cover up!
is also a crime!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:14 AM
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26. We talked about waterboarding until we were tired of it so obviously nothing is left to discuss
We have an attention span of about 2 weeks for the very most important of matters, 2 months for the trivial.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:16 AM
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27. "The very idea that we should measure our own conduct by theirs is a total failure of self-respect."
Every republican apologist and self-identified "conservative" needs to read this, hear this, or in some way made to look at the absolute horror they are excusing. This article brings it home like I've not heard yet.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:21 AM
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28. k&r
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:54 AM
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29. Good that there is physical evidence.
For too long, this sort of abuse has been easily denied because no one wants to believe it.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:24 PM
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30. K&R
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:45 PM
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32. Another K & R
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:29 PM
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33. Did rape happen aided and abetted by BushCo? Absolutely yes, I believe. However . . .
We need more than old references to Seymour Hersch and links to blogs to convince the American people and generate the outrage it deserves.

Until someone credible really assembles the evidence in a provable, verifible way, we don't have much to work with.

As much as I would like to see Bush and Cheney frog-marched for their war-crimes into a max security prison . . .
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:25 PM
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47. You mean more credible than the International Red Cross?
They are the final arbiter on the torture of prisoners, under all international and domestic laws.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:43 PM
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34. You guys didn't get The Memo.
Our President has decided that America will simply look the other way....or "look forward".

It NEVER happened.
A couple of foreign, A-Rab, whiners had water poured on them...
Thats all.

See how easy and how "American" that is?
Now, Get with the program.

We WILL protect our elite War Criminals and Torturers.
Some values transcend mere Political Parties.
Just like Iran Contra, The Democrats WILL close ranks with their brothers, The Republicans, to protect the system.

NO Rich White elite American War Criminals will suffer the slightest discomfort.
It has already been decreed, and our President has agreed.
In fact, they will live their lives out in Royal Luxury few men have ever known, with big pensions and FREE top of the line HealthCare, and YOU will be forced to pay for it.

Goooooooo...Democrats!

Goooooooo...Republicans!

LOL.
:cry:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 03:32 PM
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35. I haven't read this because it makes me sick. However, I do have
an opinion: May God refuse to forgive each and every person who did this and/or supported it, Amen."
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 04:18 PM
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36. I am being very "patient" ...
but where I can perhaps accept compromise with other things that need to be done to change course in our country, I will never compromise on the issue of torture. Letting those who authorized these activities ... at the highest level ... and those who actually perpetrated these obscene and criminal actions escape prosecution and punishment for them is simply not acceptable in any sane or civilized world. In addition to putting ALL the criminals behind bars for the rest of their lives, I am in favor of seizing the personal assets of those who authorized torture and using those personal assets to pay compensation to those who suffered and to the families of those who died as a result of torture.

Let the criminals feel the pain in that way!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 05:45 PM
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37. K&R.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 06:56 PM
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38. Outsourcing torture and rape. "Civilian-17" in the Fay-Jones and Taguba Reports
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 07:17 PM by chill_wind
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:08 PM
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39. So what to do about it? We can write letters, send texts and
fax, we can call we can cry and complain and we can vote. All that we should do but, it has no substance, there is no punishment, no physical reality to our complaint. In short there is no "there, there". There is no beef.

My proposal:

Until the officials of the Bush and now the Obama Administrations and the Pentagon are investigated and brought to justice we do not convict anyone for any crime in America except for major violent crimes like rape, murder, armed robbery, etc. But in all vice crimes, drug crimes, public or corporate property crimes the vote of the jury is NOT GUILTY regardless of the evidence. I think this should become a public campaign and any of us charged with a minor offense that would normally be plead guilty, like speeding or other traffic offenses should be taken to a jury trial so we could find the defendant NOT GUILTY.

If we could get one juror on every jury I think this would get the message across loud and clear.


Anyone?
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the blues Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:29 PM
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41. Are these the photos we haven't seen?
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:32 PM
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42. This is horrible
It's sick.


I must say though, that the title of the OP sounds like a band I might listen to, as well as the debut album by that band.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:12 PM
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43. Live from Guantanamo Bay
"W Bush" and "Dick Chainy" even sound like old Punk Rocker names (misspelling on purpose)...

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:15 PM
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44. K&R !!
Thank you for bringing up that revulsion I've felt when people say "we're not as bad as XYZ" --
so you didn't behead those you detained-- you just employed thirty other techniques Generally Recognized as Torture, including rape--

I agree that it should not be glossed over. Some Americans may love to pretend and be swayed to rationalize the Cheeeneeeey years but others know there were international war crimes committed in our name that will not be forgotten by the rest of the world.

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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:42 PM
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45. Personally
I'd rather be beheaded than anally raped or forced to drink urine, it would be more humane.
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mdavies013 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:45 PM
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46. I would appreciate it if you focused on the real issues facing this country...

two celebrities died this passed week. Show some respect. (sarcasm)
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:55 PM
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57. lol
sad but true.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 12:39 AM
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49. kick
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:46 AM
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51. I believe this was known a long, long time ago - why the furor now?
Back when I made this 'toon in fact, and I published it when it became known....

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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:03 AM
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55. Because this isn't the sort of thing you just let slide.
At least it shouldn't be.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:21 AM
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52. the reason we have rules against this (geneva convention)
is that when you give people license to do a little something they take it farther and farther and farther. that has been proved with some experiments in human behavior. You have the group dynamic egging people on, and you have the propaganda that builds up the hatred against the 'other' and you also have usually rather young people being told by their superiors in rank and age that things like this are all right. BAD COMBINATION!!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:32 AM
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53. too late to recommend. i tried. anyway...KICK! n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:43 AM
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56. serious Monday morning kick.... DEMANDS ATTENTION!. .N/T
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:51 PM
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58. kick for anyone who missed this. . . . .n/t
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:18 PM
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59. kick
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