Bishops, Baptists Organizing Against Contraception

[kpete]

Bishops, Baptists Organizing Against Contraception

It’s precisely because of stances like this that it’s very hard to take the “abortion is murder” crowd seriously when they say abortion is murder. Their revealed behavior indicates that they don’t actually find abortion especially problematic, but just place it on a spectrum containing a general aversion to women controlling their own sexuality:

But more conservative religious groups working with the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships say they would be forced to oppose such a plan—even though they support the abortion reduction part—because they oppose federal dollars for contraception and comprehensive sex education. This camp, which includes such formidable organizations as the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops and the Southern Baptist Convention, is pressuring the White House to decouple the two parts of the plan into separate bills. One bill would focus entirely on preventing unwanted pregnancy, while the other would focus on supporting pregnant women.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/06/bishops-baptists-organizing-against-contraception.php

[napi21]

1. They don't look at this as "women controling their sexuality", but

ANYBODY BUT GOD controling reproduction! Believe me, I attended 12 years of Catholic school, and I well remember the classes, es
I never studied the So. Baptist religion, but it sure sounds the same to me! I can't imagine anything changing anyone who strictly follows those religious beliefs!

[Tansy_Gold]

2. This is so fucking laughable

I happened to catch segments of the "Banned from the Bible" thing on one of the history channels last night, and some of the stuff that was "banned" was controversial because it encouraged WOMEN to be CELIBATE. Horror of horrors! Women controlling their own sexuality! Maybe even controlling their own fertility! Married or not, they were refusing sex!

It's ALL about control. It's all about men owning women's bodies.

a friend emailed me a link to an old Ike & Tina Turner video this morning, one which it turned out I'd seen many times before. But what caught my eye was the nasty, nasty, really nasty comments posted on the video COMPLAINING THAT TINA TURNER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IKE BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T LEAVE AFTER HE BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HER. It was, of course, her own fault, in their minds. She wanted it. She liked it. She got what she wanted out of it and so no one should feel sorry for her. She coulda left any time but she stayed of her own free will. And no, I did NOT waste my time posting there. I'm crazy but I ain't stupid.

The thing you gotta remember, though, is that there are MANY of those anti-choice, anti-woman enablers right here on good ol' DU. They'll scream that the FDA shouldn't ban NyQuil because 200 people a year are too stupid to read the directions and die of liver complications from taking too much acetaminophen. But when it comes to late-term abortion, they're all on the side of those 1500 or 2500 "babies" who could've been saved because they were "viable." And even here on DU there are the occasional outrages about women who blithely choose to abort healthy fetuses at 37 weeks. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

So thanks for posting this, kpete, and opening up another avenue for the discussion of how belief in a powerful imaginary friend seems to give some people the idea that they have an obligation to impose their bullshit on other people's real lives.

Eat shit and die, bishops and baptists.



Tansy Gold

[madrchsod]

4. i watched that show last night....

actually i watch all those shows on the history of the jewish/christan religion of the middle east.

i have no use for ignorant baptists and catholics

[juno jones]

14. Thanks Tansy

You said it far better than I could. :hi:

[get the red out]

3. So many Democrats see these people as harmless

I have been shocked at the number of people here on DU that see anti-choicers as harmless to a woman's right to use birth control. They are against any choice at all, I hope people read this thread and get this into their heads. No anti-choicer is benign because support of the anti-choice, misogyny movement ends in no birth control or sex education for anyone and a return to the dark age of our great-grandmothers.

These people inspire me to hate as nothing else can. There are no worse people on this planet than the religious right here in the US. Maybe as bad, but not worse. Faith-based misogyny is their creed.

[OneGrassRoot]

5. You know I'm with you, GTRO....

Not only the bible thumping, moralizing/demoralizing, controlling aspects of the religious right, but how it ties in with racism and bigotry. Many people don't recognize how prevalent these worldviews are, and thus how dangerous they are as well.

[get the red out]

8. You are right about that!

They look so foolish that they are easy to joke about but they would do anything to push their hateful agenda on us. These people will bear watching, their power is waning but that will make them desperate. We have seen terrorist attacks come from these people, though the media doesn't like calling them that. White supremacist - anti-choicers; they all have the same vicious far right wing root.

[madrchsod]

7. the goal religious right in any religion

is to suppress women`s control over their sexuality. birth control in one form or another has been practiced for thousands of years. during some periods of time it was open and others it was hidden. we are now in another open period of time.

as a society we can not afford to return to the dark ages of coat hangers and rue water

[get the red out]

9. Very true

I was thinking this morning that if they are trying to go along with "God's law" or at least natural law they would be promoting women breast feeding for longer periods of time to naturally space their children, as ancient peoples did. But it is obvious they are about nothing but control of women and the production of more potential financial supporters for their religious coporations. And of course cheap slave labor for them, because the "leaders" of religion always plan on being the elite.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. I live in Kansas

No way do I see these forced birthers as 'harmless'. They are freakin insane and downright dangerous.

[fishwax]

6. every sperm is sacred

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

[Ikonoklast]

10. Only the white, Christian ones.

It's how they get new members as their proselytizing efforts are failing.

I remember how once the Republicans were quietly for birth control and abortion, but mostly for the 'inferior races'.

That didn't work out so good, and now they need more fodder for the machine, so get out there and reproduce, you Mighty Christian Warriors!

[Gwendolyn]

11. All the Abrahamic religions are the same.

Ir's all about the numbers.

[Ikonoklast]

13. Numbers=Money=Power.

And they are losing numbers.