Clockwork Orange

[formercia]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/6522959.stm

'Feral' boys jailed for killing

A pair of teenagers who repeatedly bullied and attacked a vulnerable man, before beating and tossing him into a river, have been jailed for life.

Craig Dodd, 17, and Ryan Palin, 15, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of David Atherton, 40, who died last May.

Warrington Crown Court heard that Mr Atherton, who had learning difficulties and suffered alcoholism, was subjected to regular abuse by the pair.

The court heard Dodd and Palin described as "feral, wild and untamed".

[symbolman]

1. Funny

How people watch that movie NOW and have no idea how VISIONARY it was THEN..

One of my favorite movies, on so many levels.

That and Soylent Green, Jesus, just LOOK at THAT FILM, Global Warming, people living in CARS, eating crap made from God Knows WHAT.. no Libraries, WOmen treated like Furniture by RICH GUYS.. that movie was SO DAMNED Ahead of it's time. Thanks for the reminder of what FILM is REALLY supposed to be about.

[Clark2008]

2. Mine, too.

But, I was far too young to see it "then." I watched it for the first time when I was a teenager (nearly an adult - I think I was 17 or 18 - my parents wouldn't let me see it until then) and it struck such a chord with me.

I rewatch it from time to time now and am amazed that it was made in 1971 - when I was a year old.

Oh - and I also snickered a little when I watched it about two years ago again and realized that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony (second movement) was the same strand as the opening music on Countdown with Keith Olbermann. Having been a concert oboist, I knew that, but didn't equate it until I heard it again. :)

[symbolman]

3. Yes, a kid needs some age on them before watching that one

I waited until my son was at least 16, mostly due to the sexual themes, rape and all.. wanted to make sure I could explain to him that THAT was REALLY BAD.. in any form or fashion.. as for the Ultra Violence, well, by the time he was 16 he'd seen probably 50,000 murders on TV..

Not like when I was a kid, hell, I was Drafted when that Movie came out, so was thinking of UltraViolence in a whole different way.. that was back in the day when most movies weren't even rated, except for porno..

The person who created that crazed music was a genius.. William Tell Overture during a Sped up sex scene, hilarious.

I would advise folks to READ the BOOK, it will blow your mind. The writer uses a form of Soviet and English Slang, so by about the fourth chapter when you finally 'get it', your mind decodes the slang, it all comes RUSHING into your head, all those chapters..

Genius, again.

Hadn't realized that was Olbermann's theme, I should have caught that, thanks :)

[orpupilofnature57]

4. I was born in 1957 and it is a part of me , it's glossary was my dictionary!

Between the Kennedy Assassination and ' A Clockwork Orange ' my contempt for the government as well as the seeing danger of our own positions ,and the Ambiguous concept of who's right or a lesser evil.

[symbolman]

6. My brother and I used to speak that slang in College

amazing how many people had NO IDEA what we were saying :)

Oh my brother, we witnessed the red, red krovvy FLOW..

[MLFerrell]

20. Did you viddy the devotchkas with your glazzies?

You malchicks were a right pain in the gulliver, methinks.

:)

[orpupilofnature57]

25. Come get one in the Yarbowls , that is if you've got any Yarbowls!

[slackmaster]

8. Born in 1958, same here

The movie was rated R. I was underage, but I first saw it in 1973 at the bohemian, somewhat infamous, now long-defunct Unicorn Cinema in downtown La Jolla, CA; one of the few theaters in town that didn't check IDs.

One of my long-time friends from high school, with whom I viewed the movie on several occasions, is now teaching a World Literature class at a high school. He chose Anthony Burgess' novel on which the movie is based as a topic. He just told me that yesterday, and we had a good chuckle about it. His students are now all speaking Nadsat in class.

:nuke:

The book and the movie both give me chills.

[StClone]

5. Off we go

Dated Soylent Green Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c25tTzGJmcs

Imagine Charlton Heston would pass on such a role today?

[symbolman]

10. Well, isn't he Dead?

Or at least still STIFF? :)

I have a little trouble watching him play Moses as it is - but I remember waiting in LINE as a 4 year old for that damned Movie, then it was sold out, so we walked over to my aunt's home nearby, and waited another FOUR hours for it to play, so we could go back to the Theater and Watch it for FOUR hours :)

My wife doesn't understand (being about 15 years younger than me), that when I was a kid, when you watched a MOVIE, you WATCHED IT. It was Precious, you might not ever see it AGAIN. There were NO videos available, it was WYSWYG then.

If you wanted to see a film in your home, you had to go to the Library and Check out a HUGE projector, take it home and HOPE that it didn't burn up the Libraries ancient collection of MARX Brothers, or some strange cartoon reel.. if they had film at all..

I still watch movies the same way. I see so much MORE in them than some folks do. Of course I spent some time studying them since I felt so strongly about WATCHING them as a kid. I still can't stand people talking in Theaters, I want to strangle them.. :)

One of the reasons I wrote my Book (as seen below, and not on TV), since it was a Movie in my Head, so I decided to write it DOWN and get it OUT of my brain.. got some folks in Hollywood having a look at the book right now, wish me luck, with any luck it will be a classic, like MASH, only in the Tundra of Alaska, and addressing Global Warming from as far back as the 70's.. :)

Thank god for Good Movies, I'm so sick of all the "run 'em down, rape 'em" crap that flits around on screens now...

[skids]

7. Let's hope "Idiocracy" doesn't turn out to be as such...

...though I guess maybe in some ways it's already too late.

[TheMadMonk]

9. I never even thought of that until you mentioned it.

But now that you do... Happy slapping; The Islamoperverse (perversion of Islam) gang rapes in Sydney; Bullying broadcast on Youtube; Low grade state sponsored torture.

As for the bloody slang... I usually read at a page a minute. That slim little volume took me two ruddy days to digest.

[Mnemosyne]

11. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

:evilgrin:

And it may not be that far off with them putting human genes in rice.

Malcolm McDowell still creeps me out to this day.

[symbolman]

12. If only

PEOPLE were 'People' anymore..

I'm older and sick of seeing everyone so enraged and beat down in my aging days.. it's really sad, folks are like Zombies compared to the fun times I grew up in, all wearing earth tones, have their hair cut like a kiddie haircut, same shoes, same cars, boring as hell really..

If they made People into real soylent green I wouldn't eat it, not just because it's made of people, but because it would be so damned BLAND :)

[Mnemosyne]

23. I hear you, symbolman. There are so many

mean and angry people now walking around allowing themselves to be led by whatever current trend is popular, or does it just seem that way and nothing has really changed, only our perception of it?

I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Earth Shoes were/are so comfortable. Maybe too many people are wearing uncomfortable shoes? :evilgrin::shrug:

Or maybe they have been taught subtly, over time, to value possessions more than their fellow man or themselves? Then they become self-conscious, and very critical and dissatisfied with what they have because it is never good enough, thus causing them to feel *never good enough*. Just a theory. They have often NOT been taught the difference between a want and a need, nor their own value, imo.

I know what you mean about things all the same. I worked restoring antique vehicles for quite some time and for the life of me I cannot tell one car from another hardly at all anymore.

I wouldn't eat the SG because it would be extremely tough, stringy and chemically/hormonally/biologically toxic! :evilgrin:

[catmandu57]

13. I think we're going to be seeing more ferals

I hate to sound like an old fogie complaining about how civilization has gone to hell since my day, but, with the rise of homelessness, throwaway people, instant access to violence, both real and staged, this is something we're going to be seeing more of in our future.

[ThomWV]

14. It Is Not Prescient To Say That Young Men Will Band Together And Do Violence

Two men will gang up on another if there are three men in a room; make that young men and they will do it sooner. Its no problem at all predicting that it will happen again, and again, and again. What you are seeing in this instance is not a sign of new times but more a sign that we are now just as violent and amoral as at all other times.

By the way - it is my all-time favorite movie. If Lewis Carroll displayed genius with the Jabberwolky then no less can be said for Anthony Burgess with his language of the future street.

[Venus Dog]

15. I remember seeing the movie when it first came out

I was only like 19 and a big fan of Kubrick after "2001" and Malcolm McDowell after "If". I couldn't watch the whole thing and walked out - it was so upsetting to me.

[Sal Minella]

17. Same here. Walked out of the theater and to this day have never even tried to watch it again.

[mrfrapp]

16. US vs. UK editions

Just out of curiostiy, which version of A Clockwork Orange has everyone read? The US edition had the last chapter removed for nebulous reasons producing IMO, a very different book. Incidentally, it seems it was the US edition that Kubrick used to base his screenplay on.

Just curious.

[MLFerrell]

18. Fifteen is too young to be sentenced to life.

People aren't mature enough to fully appreciate the consequences of their actions at the age of fifteen.

Twenty years? Fine. Life? A little much.

Now the seventeen year old... That's a different story.

[shadowknows69]

19. Wow. Yep, we're here.

n/t

[porphyrian]

21. The question is, did Clockwork Orange predict the future, or did it shape it? - n/t

[cgrindley]

24. Neither it was based on an incident during WWII

or so Burgess claimed... although the most recent biography of him was unable to decide the truth of the matter...

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/burgess.html

[porphyrian]

26. Artist intent is only a piece of the meaning of any given work.

In all art, the audience brings some part of its meaning as well. That's what makes art personal, even when centuries have passed between its creation and its being experienced.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. And especially this one , it's a comment about Science, philosophy and society.

[omega minimo]

22. videogames