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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:10 PM
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Where to Buy Seeds and Where Not To
As a seed saver I testify to Baker Creek and High Mowing Seeds. There are others. Let's start a list.

Bountiful Gardens is also the real deal, been there also and it is awesome. Johnny's is pretty decent but they had to be pressured to halt their promotion of biotech and the owner is not as benevolent as you might expect.

Seed to Seed by Suzanne Answorth IS the seed saver's bible and a must for any who want to learn how to save seed, anyone-everyone can!

Here's a list please expand:

http://www.victoryseeds.com/

http://www.newhopeseed.com/

http://www.seedsavers.org/

http://www.seedsofchange.com/

http://www.rareseeds.com/

http://www.bountifulgardens.org/

http://www.territorial-seed.com/stores/1/index.cfm

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

http://www.abundantlifeseeds.com/stores/1/index.cfm



Now here's some more info:


Where to buy your seeds, and where not to


There has been a heavy consolidation of the seed industry in the last few years, to its detriment. The darkest force here has been the evil Monsanto, the Satan of agricultural corporations (and that's saying something since there are quite a few other dark angels out there), who bought up Seminis a couple of years ago. Now Seminis is the wholesaler that provides much of the seed for the seed trade, including many classic hybrids and non-hybrid varieties. And recently, I've just learned that Seminis has bought Burpee seeds - the largest single mail order supplier. http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=868. Now I have a fondness for the Burpee seed catalog, and there are a couple of non-hybrid varieties of theirs I love - a red french marigold, a cherry tomato. But I won't be buying there again. Pity, but I have no desire to support Monsanto's chemical agriculture, their attacks on farmers, their attempts to patent seeds created through laborious home breeding. And I try very hard to avoid Seminis varieties of seed. Because Seminis is a wholesaler, and sells to many of the seed companies that send out your catalogs, it can be difficult to tell where your seed originated. That means that I'm pretty much limited to some of the funkier catalogs out there. The good thing about that is that those catalogs have a large selection, a lot of neat stuff, and are usually good stewards of the environment. Giving them my money is an excellent thing.

<snip>

Baker Creek Heirloom seeds www.rareseeds.com is totally out of my region, and I don't know for sure that they don't get any seeds from Seminis, but I doubt it. They have the biggest selection of open pollinated (that is, not hybrid) seeds I've ever seen in a catalog. They were started by a 17 year old boy, who is now a 27 year old married man, and it is run as a family business. One of my first seed orders ever came from them, before knew about local seed, and I get a lot of things from them anyway - I've almost always been happy with their seeds, and they carry many things suitable to my climate. Plus, they have wonderful service and are strongly opposed to GMOs and are interested in the political implications of our seed choices. Black Futsu squash is pretty amazing, as is their huge collection of sweet peas.

High Mowing Seeds http://www.highmowingseeds.com/ is another one I recommend. They grow all their seed locally (to their Vermont area) and while they are expanding their hybrid offerings, offer an alternative to Seminis by growing out many of the classic OP varieties, including Waltham Broccoli and Long Pie Pumpkins. They have good prices, good service and they sent me 25lbs of buckwheat within a week of my order. What more can you ask for (full disclosure - the family that runs it are somehow connected to the church my mother and step-mother attend, which is how I got my first copy of their catalog, but I assure you my alliegence is purely to their seed) from a seed company?

<snip>

Bountiful Gardens is a terrific small seed company that is run in part by John Jeavons, the person who has most devoted himself to figuring out how to feed the world in small spaces. Not only do they have great seed, but they are a great cause. They also have a remarkable variety of compost, fiber and other uncommon crops. For those of you in northern CA and the Pacific NW, this is probably the place to buy, but all of us can get some wonderful things from them. http://www.bountifulgardens.org/. I'm going to take another stab at rice this year, from their offerings. Don't forget to look at their books, if you are at all serious about feeding yourself.

<snip>

Finally, and in a class entirely by itself, is Seed Savers Exchange, at www.seedsavers.org. You can buy seed from them directly, and they have a wonderful selection. Even if you don't save seed, you should become a member - the Seed Savers Exchange has been losing members, and more and more people are the only repositories of a particular kind of tomato, or green, or millet or pea. The Irish potato famine and the corn blight of the 1970s should be evidence to us that relying on one particular crop is unbelievably dangerous - we need all the genetic diversity we possibly can get. The people at Seed Savers are keeping our heritage, our history and possibly our food security alive, and they need you at the very least to join up and give them money. But why only do that? Because the very best place to get seed is not from a catalog at all, but from your own garden, or your neighbors. So join seed savers and consider maintaining one or two or 20 varieties of seed yourself. Grow them out year after year, and save a little to trade to others. This is good practice for yourself, and enhances your own security - after all, if you ever couldn't get seed, having some at home is a big thing. But most of all, it is a way of your participating in the provisioning of the earth.

<snip>

http://casaubonsbook.blogspot.com/2007/01/where-to-buy-your-seeds-and-where-not.html
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:17 PM
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1. You can order heirloom plants
in Arkansas from Herb Culver. His email addy is heirloomplants@yahoo.com. He has a greenhouse and has been a seed saver for years.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:29 PM
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5. thank you for posting,
I have a large collection of seeds and I don't know if there monsanto. I'm moving to the midwest where I plan to do allot of gardening.

I'm going to have to go through what I have, the sires you provided are so important for us all.

I'm bookmarking your page and any other additional info, :)
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:53 PM
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9. That's fantastic
Just the very first line. Whether you know it or not I think you just altered the universe.

"You can order heirloom plants in Arkansas from Herb Culver."

I used to live in Arkansas in Mountain Home. We moved around a bit. Have a brother that still resides in a puny town near the White River.

That sentence is really evocative.

Food First!

:toast:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:18 PM
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2. Great info! Thanks for posting.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:19 PM
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3. How about "Parks Seed Co." ....are they bad, too? n/t
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:33 PM
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8. I suspect they might carry GMO seeds, but am not sure.
Many of the "seed catalogs" that come UNSOLICITED in the mail carry GMO seeds.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:22 PM
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4. Add Redwood City Seeds in Redwood City, CA
They have very unique & unusual seeds from all over the world. They specialize in hot peppers but have loads of other seeds. Good to deal with.

For tomatoes of ANY variety, I recommend Marianne's Tomatoes at http://www.mariseeds.com/. She is located in the same county I live in & probably has more varieties of tomatoes than anyone in the WORLD!

I have purchased from Baker Creek & they are nice to deal with.

:9
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:30 PM
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6. Redwood City Seeds Web address
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:32 PM
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7. I've dealt a bit with Abundant Life, good people, good work they do
Several yrs ago the place they stored a bunch of their seeds burnt. They have built back up their stock and work well with people both buying and growing. Thank you for the list.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:56 PM
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10. Great idea to start this list, JCrowley! We need to avoid GMO as much as possible!
Those who haven't had gardens in the past, might want to start "trying" to grow some of their own food, as it takes some years of trial & error to learn about your climate, planting times, varieties of seeds, etc.

I'm kickin' it! :kick:
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:13 PM
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12. Here's a resource for non-GMO seeds
http://www.purefood.org/seedindex.htm

As the list is a bit dated you may want to check into it by company. We go with High Mowing which is right for our region.

:toast:

Real food for real people.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:57 PM
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11. K&R.nt
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:18 PM
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13. rareseeds.com / baker creek is awesome...
ive never had a problem with them...

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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:25 PM
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14. cool, Bountiful Gardens is over the hills from us
almost "local", in Willits...(well, as local goes in California)

I will look into their offerings. There is also a seed/plant company in Petaluma (the name escapes me), that offers a bunch of heirloom tomato seed/plants.

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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:40 PM
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15. kick to add to my journal. Thanks
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:41 PM
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16. The Territorial Seed Co. free catalog is.....
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 08:41 PM by Jade Fox
almost gardening book in itself. Seeds are good too. :)
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:41 PM
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17. thanks, bookmarked
:)
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:49 PM
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18. Richter in Canada for extensive herb selection -- seeds & plants &
some dried herbs. Very awesome place and the catalog and website are educational. Google it.
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:29 PM
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19. Thank you so much
I had just decided to do heirloom seeds for my garden this year for the first time and had just started to look. Any suggestions on where would be the best place to shop for growing in Central Minnesota would be appreciated.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 10:02 PM
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22. What is your climate zone?
Here's a first-best educated guess:

www.highmowingseeds.com


We carry in our heart the true country.

We follow in the steps of our ancestry.



40,000 years it makes a difference...

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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 07:53 AM
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33. I think Vermont and Minnesota can't be too far apart in
terms of zone. Thanks so much.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:31 PM
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20. SEE? THIS is the reason I love DU. Thank you for this post. K/R!!!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:53 PM
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21. Thank you fellow seed saver!
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 10:18 PM
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23. Thank you sooooooooooo much!
I have been wanting that information..all the great information that you posted here. Thank you so much for taking the time to share it with all of us here.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 10:33 PM
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24. I give J L Hudson my highest recommendation
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/

Everything in their catalog is on their website, but I do recommend requesting their print catalog, as there is much political stuff in there that will delight any DU'er.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 07:17 AM
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32. best catalog ever!
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:29 PM
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40. I'll second that
he's somewhat eccentric (no web orders, for example) but otherwise easy to deal with and with a great selection. And even Mr. Retrograde, the household non-gardener, reads the catalog!
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 01:22 PM
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43. One can email an order, and then email a PayPal payment
Not as simple, of course, as a web form, but it can be done. And I love their simple, retro webpages :-)
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 11:39 PM
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25. nichols nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/index.html

also, seeds of change is now owned by mars, as in candy bars.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 02:15 PM
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45. Oh no!! Seeds of change is what is sold at out
natural food coop store.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 08:37 PM
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52. yeah, it's deceiving. nt
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bikeboy Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:35 AM
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26. Seed Savers 2007 tomatoe crop
has sprouted very well for me this year. We started seeds about 6 weeks ago from 6 different varrieties. The first 30 are in the ground and the next 100 are close. We are also going to plant 4 kinds of corn and 4 kinds of beans from them and look forward to the same results. I'm in the Bay Area (SF)(East Bay!) and we have grown from their seeds that last few years and have been pleased with what comes up. Time to mulch cause the worms turnin!
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:04 AM
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27. I Love Seed Savers!
I could browse through their catalog for hours. It's very informative about heirloom seeds. I hope to visit their farm this summer.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:44 AM
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28. A couple more for you
This is the local person that I use, very good seeds. <http://www.heirloomacresseeds.com/>
Are you looking for heirloom trees? <http://www.treesofantiquity.com/>
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12345 Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:48 AM
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29. Anyone know anything about Harvest Moon?
I believe that they're family owned. They market to CSA's. They carry a lot of traditional European varieties of veges...
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:32 PM
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42. so-so
They have an extensive selection, but a lot of their catalog is re-shipment of European seeds, and the catalog doesn't mention which are from which company. They carry a lot of Italian seeds, which tend to come in big packages. I planted some of their Chinese Red Noodle beans last year (origin unknown), and the ones the gophers left me did fine.

I didn't order from them this year because their catalog didn't show up until February, after I had received all my other seeds.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:55 AM
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30. K&R good, timely article
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:05 AM
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31. Fedco Seeds
in Waterville Maine. You can download their catalog as a .pdf.

When Monsanto bought Semenis, Fedco dropped their line. That's conviction, especially since Semenis provided many of their best sellers and some of my favorite varieties. I dropped Semenis too.

http://www.fedcoseed.com/seeds.htm

Fedco doesn't sell treated or GMO. Get their catalog even if its just for the resources page.

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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:12 PM
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34. Thank you. Also bookmarked!!
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:14 PM
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35. support your local botanical garden if they sell seeds and plants.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:20 PM
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36. Vessey Seeds offer GMO free organic seeds.
Here is a link to their statement on their GMO Organic seeds:
http://www.veseys.com/ca/en/gardeninfo/reference/gmopolicy

Personally, I couldn't garden without Seeds of Change, either.

Thank you for this informative post.
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ronatchig Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:21 PM
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37. Posting to save n/t
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:23 PM
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38. Thanks for this great info!
I'm definitely saving the text and the links. Good to know about the Burpee seed catalog, too. They have a great catalog, but I'd never buy from them now. Heirloom seeds are the way to go.

There are several good books out there about creating an "edible landscape" with plant varieties intermingled to create a more natural ecosystem-style planting, instead of distinct patches of monoculture. A lot of plants support and enhance each other, conserve space and water, and interplanting makes it harder for pests to find their favored foods.

I particularly like this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-Guide-Home-Scale-Permaculture/dp/1890132527/ref=pd_sim_b_3/104-5512430-4778318?ie=UTF8&qid=1176139251&sr=1-1

I hope to be living in a location soon where I can put it into practice.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:25 PM
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39. Fantastic Post! Great Info!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 12:30 PM
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41. Great post - thanks n/t
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 02:11 PM
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44. OMG, I just went over to Bountiful Seeds and bought $50 worth of
stuff. Somebody get me out of here. What a great resource this list is. Thank you.
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WestMichRad Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:31 PM
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46. Let me add three more very good sources
(Ah, finally home from work where I can reply without fear of big brother...)

Here are three additional seed sellers (not mentioned earlier in this thread) that were started and are run by dedicated Seed Saver Exchange (SSE) members, with whom I have done business and am fully satisfied are fair and honest. Of course there are many other reputable seed sources worthy of consideration, and I'm not recommending any in particular. The cool thing is that there now are quite a few sources that each offer different selections of heirloom varieties, so there currently is an improving resource for those of us who like to find and try different varieties. Do business with them in preference to the big corporate seed houses!

Underwood Gardens, aka Grandma's Garden, www.underwoodgardens.com - from Illinois, many interesting and rare heirloom varieties, including herbs, flowers and a few apples.

Skyfire Gardens, www.skyfiregardenseeds.com - from Kansas, interesting and unique selection of heirloom vegetable, flower and herb varieties

Sand Hill Preservation Center, www.sandhillpreservation.com - located in Iowa, another great selection of heirloom seeds and root crops (esp sweet potatoes), and perhaps the foremost source for heirloom poultry varieties (chicken, duck, turkey).

My first criterion when considering a seed seller is this: Have they signed on to the Safe Seed Pledge? That is a promise not to offer any varieties that were developed using GMO technology. If they agree to this, it is generally prominently noted in their catalogs. These three sources all adhere to the Safe Seed Pledge.

Say NO to GMO varieties!

FYI, I've been a SSE listed member for many years.

Cheers, and good gardening to you all. Grow your own!!
WestMichRad
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WestMichRad Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:40 PM
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48. and one more thing.... Tomatoville.com
For all things tomato, stop by www.tomatoville.com and browse the conversations there - there is a great deal of good information, and it's generally quite easy to find what you're looking for. And you can ask questions that will get answered by knowledgeable and experienced growers.

Grow on!
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JetCityLiberal Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 05:37 PM
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47. Seed Saving-VERY important
Thanks for this thread, the links and the specific paragraph about seed saving, "enhances your own security....participating in the provision of the earth." Well said.

Our family has been buying heirloom and saving seeds for many years. Very worthwhile.

:thumbsup: Jcrowley
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:48 PM
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duplicate post - deleted
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 06:50 PM by japple
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:48 PM
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49. Couple more to add to the list. Renee's Garden
seeds are available at some non-mainstream garden centers or natural foods stores.

http://www.reneesgarden.com/about/index.htm

and

http://www.realseeds.co.uk/

I highly recommend the Cherokee Trail of Tears French Green Beans that Real Seeds sells. They are exquisite and even though they might cost a bit extra with shipping from the UK, you can save the seeds after the 1st year.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:53 PM
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50. If you love eating Jamaican Callaloo check out seedsofindia.com
http://seedsofindia.com/Greens&Grains.htm

I grew callaloo last year. Don't bother starting it early, it doesn't take off until it gets hot. Grows very fast. Two plantings are good, because it does go to seed around August.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 06:57 PM
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51. Thanks for a useful thread in what seems to be GD's
trek through a swamp today.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:21 PM
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53. Welcome
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 09:22 PM by Jcrowley
Always good to see ya' Cleita.

:toast:
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