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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:46 AM
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Law Will Let Afghan Husbands Starve Wives Who Withhold Sex


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/10-4


An Afghan law which legalised rape has been sent back to parliament with a clause letting husbands starve their wives if they refuse to have sex.

President Hamid Karzai ordered a review of the legislation after The Independent revealed that it negated the need for consent within marriage.

President Barack Obama described it as "abhorrent", Gordon Brown said Britain would "not tolerate" it, and other Nato countries threatened to withdraw their troops unless the legislation was drastically re-written.

The amendments were passed to the cabinet this week and signed by Mr Karzai on Wednesday, Human Rights Watch said last night.

The women's rights activist Wazhma Frough, who was involved in the review, said that conservative religious leaders had pressured the Justice Ministry to keep many of the most controversial clauses.

-snip-

"Violence against women is already endemic," said Razia Jan, who is building a women's community centre in Afghanistan's Shia heartland, Bamiyan. "Men pay thousands of dollars for young girls and they are treated like slaves. Women here are already so vulnerable."

Critics claim that Mr Karzai signed the law to appease Shia leaders, ahead of the presidential polls on 20 August.
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the US CAN NOT leave Afghanistan until the women have legal protection from the insane religious men.

this is 2009 not the dark ages when men could do to women whatever they wanted.

we must stand with and demand legal protection for women and prosecution of law breakers.

Karzai is a coward, afraid of the ignorant, insane religious men.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:35 AM
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1. This makes me SO angry I don't even have words for it.
How the fuck is it considered ok, LEGAL, even, to starve a woman because she does not want to have sex?! :banghead:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:23 PM
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17. They felt this was an
improvement to legalized rape.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:51 AM
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2. This is one of a thousand reasons for our troops
to be out of Afghanistan. Let these savages kill each other off until they reach another equilibrium.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:53 AM
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3. you would abandon the women to the savages?


really?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:57 AM
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5. That's why the Naive Pacifists disgust me.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:58 AM
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6. who do you mean is a "naive Pacifist" ?

nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:18 PM
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14. You're all set.

http://www.goarmy.com/

Send a postcard.

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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:27 PM
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24. Funny, it's naive warmongers who disgust me.
Remember, the folks who want to do this are our allies.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:26 PM
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19. A better solution might be to
round up their women and take them away. Women-less their only recourse would be to bugger little boys as they often do.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:45 PM
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32. And that's better?
I'm sure you didn't mean that.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:44 PM
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39. Of course not.
They might be unhappy without their women, however.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:31 PM
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42. Oh now THAT'S a picture I enjoy contemplating
But let's get the kids out with the women. So they have a chance of growing up without those poisonous ideas.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:30 PM
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25. Afghan women don't want our help.
Here's what the Revolutionary Association of Afghan Women had to say on the last anniversary of our occupation of their country.

http://www.rawa.org/events/sevenyear_e.htm

Neither the US nor Jehadies and Taliban,
Long Live the Struggle of Independent and Democratic Forces of Afghanistan!



Seven years back the US government and its allies were successfully able to legitimize their military invasion on Afghanistan and deceive the people of the US and the world under the banners of “liberating Afghan women”, “democracy” and “war on terror”. Our people, who had been tormented and oppressed by the Taliban’s dominance, were filled with hope but soon their dream of the establishment of security, democracy and freedom was shattered in the most painful manner.

By the installation of the puppet government of Karzai, the US reused its creations and continued its deal with the Jehadi criminal warlords. From the very start, Mr. Karzai shunned the demands and trusts of the people and chose to compromise with the criminals of the “Northern Alliance” and placed the filthiest faces in the key posts of the government. In contradiction to the shameless claims of the ministers and other treacherous and corrupt officials, our people feel more ill-fated; the country has been turned to a mafia state and self-immolation, rape and abduction of women and children has no parallel in the history of Afghanistan.

Despite Karzai’s pretence and crocodile tears, we witness that rapists are not only protected from persecution but forgiven, as Karzai announced amnesty for the people who had raped and then killed a woman and with this filthy act, soaked his hands in crime too!

On one hand, Karzai talks high of freedom of speech and democracy in his speeches and on the other hand a young journalist like Pervaiz Kambakhsh is behind bars and sentenced to death by the murderous band of Atta Mohammad; another brave journalist Naseer Fayyaz is forced to leave the country due to constant threats from big criminals including Ismail Khan and Qasim Fahim, and investigation by KHAD simply because he exposes the government and supports the truth. Some other noble and anti-fundamentalist people have been harassed and even harmed by the terrorists in power.

Karzai’s government requested for $51 billion in the Paris Conference, whereas the previous money flooded into Afghanistan was not spent for the reconstruction of the country because of the atrocious corruption and indolence of ridiculous government officials. Moreover, people have been forced to sell their children due to destitution and starvation. The reality is that till now a big part of the aid have fattened the wallets and waists of the mafias of the “Northern Alliance”, national and international NGOs and the corrupt governmental authorities. The people of the world should know that their aid is going to a government composed of fundamentalist criminals and technocrats who are also secret agents and corrupt to the marrow of bone and their aid has no benefit for the common people of Afghanistan.

The day to day expansion of the power of Taliban reflects the real nature of the “war on terror” which has empowered the roots of fundamentalist terrorism more than ever. This is only a showcase to justify the long military presence of the US in our country and in the region. The result of this war has been such a huge failure that even political and military officials of the US and other countries have mentioned it very explicitly several times.

Instead of removing the cancerous lump of the Taliban and their Jehadi brothers from the framework of Afghanistan, the troops of the US and its allies are bombarding wedding and joy parties and showering bullets on our oppressed people, especially women and children. Furthermore, when such crimes are exposed they shamelessly and haughtily deny them, and when the matter is proved, an arrogant “sorry” is offered, which pours more salt on the wounds of the people.

As we have declared many times, the US government has no and will not have any genuine concern for the condition of freedom, democracy and women’s rights in Afghanistan. It is ready to accept a more corrupt, destructive and anti-democratic government than the one in power now, provided that its stooges are the rulers. Therefore today, some top criminals are being consistently freed from the prison. This clearly shows that “democracy” and “freedom of women” do not hold even an iota of value for the US administration and its allies in Afghanistan. They are planning to install a government made up of Talib and Gulbuddini criminals; Khalqi and Parchami Quislings; lackeys of the blood thirsty Iranian regime from the “National Front”; and some other reactionary and treasonous elements related to the intelligence services of the West, so that even without direct military presence they would be able to control the country and save the country from becoming Iraq where the people rose against the US forces and its allies. If the US argues that it has not committed treachery, with the establishment of a government woven of the dirtiest enemies in the history of Afghanistan, they have committed the biggest possible treason against the Afghan nation, and they will not be able to justify this with any kinds of fabrications and cheatings.

Forgetting their foremost duty of giving awareness, a portion of the intellectuals of our country are engaged in shameful deeds of creating and igniting the ethnic, religious and linguistic differences among people on which the occupations are pouring fuel too. Some have taken this to such a level of disgrace that they believe the Taliban to be the rescuing forces; and the band of the murderers and agents of the “National Front”, and the groups attached to the US and NATO to be the sources of prosperity.

The Afghan intellectuals who see the remedy of freedom from the captivity of Taliban and Jehadis as leaning on the US have no idea about the history of the US; more importantly about the bourn of Afghanistan in the past seven years. Neither can they present a single example of a country that had gained freedom and democracy with the help of the US military invasion nor can they bury the secrets of the bloody wars and invasions of the US in different parts of the world. Thus, the mentioned intellectuals are practically known as “agents of CIA” in the political scenario of Afghanistan.

RAWA believes that in the present situation, elections will not give a better result than the previous one. In the conditions where all the governmental bodies are mainly under the reign of drug kingpin criminals and under the direct control of the US, most probably not even a handful of noble and independence-loving people will find way into the parliament; therefore, the future parliament like today’s will be home to the criminals and mafia whose life and status and solely depend on dollars, weapons and the US support. If the US believes that Karzai has expired, it will bring another of its creation and won’t allow an independent, democratic and anti-fundamentalist candidate to become the president with people voting freely.

The insignificance of our people’s freedom desires and the actual aim of the US and its allies has reached to such an extent that a very bright example is when the Britain government announces shamelessly that Afghanistan needs a dictator! Taking into account their contacts with the Taliban terrorists, the most suitable dictator in their opinion must be Mr. Mullah Omar. The US and its allies might control the strings of the dirty puppet show in Afghanistan by their powerful war machines with Mullah Omar, Rabbani, Mohaqiq, Sayyaf, Dr. Abdullah or the trained secret agents like Ali Ahmed Jalalis, but they should be sure that this treacherous spitting on democracy in Afghanistan and insulting the will and anger of our people on ignorance, medieval misogynists and Talibi and Jehadi fascism will be rubbed back on their faces by our people.

It seems that if the invaders stop pretending and the dictator according to them should be Mullah Omar or some other suit-clad Bache Saqao then they should cancel or postpone the ridiculous hard work of elections.

RAWA strongly believes that there should be no expectation of either the US or any other country to present us with democracy, peace and prosperity. Our freedom is only achievable at the hands of our people. It is the duty of all the intellectuals, all the democratic forces and progressive and independence-seeking people to rise in a constant and decisive struggle for independence and democracy by taking the support of our wounded people as the independent force, against the presence of the US and its allies and the domination of Jehadi and Taliban criminals. Combating against the armed and alien forces in the country without being loud-mouthed against the Talibi and Jehadi enemies would mean welcoming the misfortunes of fascism and religious mafia. Also, struggling against this enemy without fighting the military presence of the US, its allies and its puppet government would mean falling before foreign agents. The path of the freedom-fighters of our country without doubt, will be very complex, difficult and bloody; but if our demand is to be freed from the chains of the slavery of foreigners and their Talib and Jehadi lackeys, we should not fear trial or death to become triumphant.

Neither the US nor Jehadies and Taliban, Long Live the Struggle of Independent and Democratic forces of Afghanistan!

Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)
October 7, 2008
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:47 PM
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34. That makes a very sad, though good point
we're still fighting some of these battles here at home - what makes us think we'd be any more strenuous in our fight for women's rights there?

Shameful.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:31 PM
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26. Which savages? The Karzai government we support?
That's who is doing this.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:25 PM
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41. You have a better idea for who to install as a puppet leader?
The Soviets tried it, the Bush administration tried it, and as of this point in time, Obama supports trying to play kindergarten cop.

Western Europe took centuries to wring sexism out of it's system, the Muslim world might take millenia. All I'm advocating is that we not get in the crossfire, and let them figure it all out.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:22 PM
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40. No, you're right
let's go in and try to use our armed forces to babysit them all for the next millenium or so.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:56 AM
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4. This is fucking BARBARIC.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:58 AM by Odin2005
Only Barbarians would think they have a right to commit marital rape. Sick, evil bastards. :cry:

And who are a jerwads un-recommending this thread?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:18 PM
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15. Inquiry: What is a "jerwad"?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:45 PM
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22. I ment "Jerkwad". n/t.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:03 PM
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7. Oh, Islam
When will people realize following a warlord psychopath from 1400 years ago is a bad idea.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:08 PM
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8. This is horrifying.
I don't agree, though, that our presence in Afghanistan will help. Remember that Karzai is our guy, and he's apparently ready to acquiesce to this passive murder of women. I don't think that the position of women has ever been the primary concern of the U.S., under either administration, and I don't see that changing no matter how many troops we send into the country.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:13 PM
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9. the troops won't be the ones to educate the men it will be teams


doing community service. plus women's groups from all around the world lifting up the Afghan women and girls.

and Obama's team telling Karzai what's what or else.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:11 PM
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12. If I thought that's what would happen, I'd be more supportive.
As it stands, the stated mission has nothing to do with saving women and everything to do with ensuring that Afghanistan's government has a pro-US slant. Considering what we are willing to tolerate in our allies (Saudi Arabia, for one) and their attitude toward women, I suspect that we (government 'we') would support any government that furthered our aims, and would be willing to ignore inconvenient problems like this by labeling them as 'cultural differences.'
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:16 PM
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10. My heart goes out to those women who live in repressive countries.
I couldn't imagine having to live under those conditions.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:18 PM
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11. Glad this world isn't too fucked up or anything.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:16 PM
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13. So lets bomb the shit out of them!
:puke:

I don't condone this, but why in the fuck is the U.S. policing the world?

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:20 PM
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16. Guys - if a girl doesn't want to have sex with you, starving her isn't likely to change her mind...
And a guy who wants to have sex with a girl who doesn't want to have sex with him is no man. He's a piece of shit with a dick.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:26 PM
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18. Don't be so sure.
Under duress, people can be made to do anything -- if they are weak enough.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:27 PM
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20. Starving her might make here acquiesce, but it won't make her *want* to do him...
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 01:28 PM by BlooInBloo
Which is all I said.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:31 PM
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21. When do we decide that Afghanistan
is beyond hope? I have read things about Afghanistan that make me wonder if it is beyond redemption. I mean, it is too bad about the women. Rape is also out of control in many parts of Africa. Cruelty to women and children is a fact of life in many areas of the world.
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:25 PM
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23. And these are our allies.
What are we fighting for in Afghanistan again?
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:51 PM
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36. THEY ACT LIKE CAVEMEN
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:48 PM
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37. Heroin and pipelines. n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:33 PM
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27. Arm the women n/t
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:35 PM
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28. Those ladies must be afraid to get pregnant
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 02:35 PM by AlphaCentauri
can we just give them condoms and viagra and show them sexual education.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:35 PM
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29. Yet we had to pour all our money and resources into Iraq
based on LIES and GREED. Fuck you George Bush & Dick Cheney!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:36 PM
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30. Hurray for our great allies!
Hurray!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:44 PM
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31. Do we need an underground railroad to get women out of that country?
And their children.

Wonder what those assholes who call themselves men would do if they actually got their he-men-women-haters club?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:46 PM
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33. This is horrifying.
:cry:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:48 PM
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35. Those poor women!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:52 PM
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38. um, Okie Dokie, now LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:36 PM
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43. Congratulations, Afghanistan! You now rival Saudi Arabia
as the country that hates women the most in the world!
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